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What is engineering exactly? What do they even do? They seem like overglorified maintenance men or carpenters, based on what I found. Help me /sci/, I don't get what they even do.

>> No.6705394

Do they just draw pictures of circuits all day?

>> No.6705413

They suck dick, mostly.

>> No.6705433

>>6705392
It's different from Science in that science is about research: doing experiments to discover new things and publishing papers about it. Engineering is about application of research. Using scientific principles to solve problems and create technology; hydro damns, cell phones, satellites, etc. Engineers are not maintenance men and carpenters, you are thinking of tradespeople and technicians there.

I'm a computer engineer. That's a branch covering electronics and programming. I work on a team with electrical and mechanical engineers. We design factory automation equipment. Sometimes cool robot arms, sometimes just vent and valve control systems. The products we develop are built in factories in China and installed by technicians under our supervision. Engineers are highly trained and highly payed, so we do the design work that requires a lot of expertise, not simple assembly and maintenance tasks.

>> No.6705466

>>6705433
How do you design them? Do you have to do any math? Honestly the only experience I have with engineering is the graduation requirement course on it in high school.

>> No.6705476

>>6705433
>We design factory automation equipment. Sometimes cool robot arms, sometimes just vent and valve control systems.

I'm an ECE major interning at a small logistics company. We basically design and implement the fully developed working system for companies after buying products from manufacturers like yours. How do you like your job? I'm thinking about getting into something like that is it would fit my education more (we mostly code).

>> No.6705481

electrical engineer here.

i basically help all the monkey electricians figure out what to do. but i love it so whatevs and i make bank!

>> No.6705506

>>6705433
pls respond

>> No.6705507

>>6705466
I work on a computer writing firmware and designing circuits with CAD programs. There's some hands on work with oscilloscopes and other electronic lab equipment. University engineering programs are 80% math. To get a computer engineering degree you need to be able to do analog signal analysis like a pro (Fourier and Laplace analysis).

In my professional job I have software that means I don't spend all day crunching numbers by hand. The math experience is still very useful though. It's like how pilots are trained for emergency crash landings even though that's not a daily activity. If I was using software like a dumb monkey who doesn't know how to do things by hand I'd make a lot more mistakes and not see better solutions to problems.

>> No.6705537

>>6705476
I like the job a lot. I bounced around between employers for a few years before finding it. There's a good balance between electronics and programming. Many computer engineering jobs are just programming now, and it feels shitty to have spent a lot of time developing electronic skills you never get to use. It's let me travel all over the world too since most projects end with me being sent on a trip to supervise my equipment being installed.

>> No.6705545

>>6705537
What do you do for fun? Does your job make you very happy?

>> No.6705553

>tfw moderately intelligent but dropping out of engineering because totally incapable of self-motivation to do even the slightest work
Hold me, /sci/

>> No.6705560

>>6705553
Kill yourself you lazy faggot

>> No.6705595

>>6705560
meh, effort

>> No.6705633

I'm an electrician (Australian)

How hard will electrical engineering be?

>> No.6705645

>>6705545
I'm went into engineering because I enjoy problem solving and technical work, so my job is very rewarding. I do a lot of electronics and programming at home for things like maker faire. Other people go into engineering because it's a good career, but still get satisfaction out of the work they do. People who lack that don't have the motivation to get through school.

>> No.6705650

>>6705645
>Other people go into engineering because it's a good career, but still get satisfaction out of the work they do
Ding ding! That's why I'm doing it. To me, it's easy as shit, and way too many people need help doing basic shit, so why not make bank?

Personally I'd rather be doing something like programming video games, making art, or doing research in psychiatry/some sort of neurological+technological field, but those are the breaks. And depression. Depression is also the brakes.

>> No.6705651

>>6705394
Yeah. They basically make blueprints and get sponsors

>> No.6705652

>>6705633
depends on your math level basically. practical experience will help lots.

>> No.6705653

>>6705645
>>6705650
Same reason as me but rather because it's pretty close to what I always wanted to be, an inventor

>> No.6705654

>>6705633
there is an ex-electrician studying Electrical & Computer Engineering with me at my school and he probably does better than anyone else I know in my classes. That's just my one personal case, idk how it will be for you.

You'll probably have a bit of an edge in your circuits classes but other than that I'd think you'd be in the same boat as pretty much everyone else. Do you enjoy mathematics?

>> No.6705746

At my work (aerospace) engineers do or at least appear to do jack shit. They come up with shittastic designs, have no creativity, and when you have a problem with a part not working, they don't really investigate it well, if at all. I have solved an ass ton of problems being in production, and I get paid dick compared to these assholes. I am always asking myself, what the fuck do these guys do? Look at parts, and do paperwork that allows us to make retard easy changes to blueprints? That's about it.

Having a fancy piece of paper doesn't make you an engineer. And one thing I learned, if you have an idea, it isn't a good idea until engineering (finally, about goddamn time) comes up with it.

>> No.6705757

>>6705746
its kinda the same thing with mechanical engineering. the contractor knows he needs to just add another 2x4, but is required to send paperwork in and have people do a lot of math to come up with the same solution.

being creative adds more math.
shit looks square for a reason.

>> No.6705839

>>6705553
Will get that motivation once you experienced how it is to be a NEET or to work in a shit job.

Better get some willpower now than to learn it the hard way.

>> No.6705845

>>6705839
You will get..*

>> No.6705852

>>6705392
Build stuff that doesn't exist.

>> No.6705873

>>6705654

I'm doing a pre-engineering maths course at the moment. I never learnt calculus at school and barely any Trig and most calculations I had to do in my electrician course were using equations. But yes, while I hated maths in school, maths as an adult is amazing.

I loved the electrical theory more than the practical, which I still enjoy, I just think I could go one better.

>> No.6706012

>>6705746
>Having a fancy piece of paper doesn't make you an engineer
Yes it does
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_licensure_in_engineering

>>6705839
NEET for a year now, no sign of change.
>Thanks parents, getting everything for free is really pushing me to get myself sorted.

>> No.6706047

>>6705653
>Same reason as me but rather because it's pretty close to what I always wanted to be, an inventor

this
i've always romanticized the figure of the artist/inventor, being a man capable of crafting an artifact by putting together different pieces and coming up with something greater than the sum of those parts.
>mfw that eureka moment.

Pure science is interesting, but still it's much more aimed at the horizon of knowledge, where you still can't do much of "technological".
On the contrary engineering gives you much more space and creative effectiveness. That's why i chose CS and robotics instead of pure physics

>> No.6706056 [DELETED] 

i went into time to draft the whole universe as a conscientious doctor of sorts
yes i am certified

>> No.6706066

>>6705392
>What is engineering exactly? What do they even do?

They take Scientific Equations and Material components and transform them into a physical spell.

A section of reality that operates on slightly different conditions that those of the surrounding.

It's wizardry, basically... but with the physical properties of matter, instead of archaic invocations.

>> No.6706109

>>6706066
>It's wizardry, basically... but with the physical properties of matter, instead of archaic invocations.

Nice way to put it anon. Nice way to put it indeed

>> No.6706123

>>6706012
>NEET for a year now, no sign of change.
Congratulations, you win at internet argument (but lose in life)

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6706125

>>6706109
Why thank you good sir.

>> No.6706142

ECE major here. I'm into Math. Two questions:

Would you recommend a minor?
Which topics in Math should I get good at?

>> No.6706164

>>6706142
> Would you recommend a minor?
meh
> Which topics in Math should I get good at?
I think it's called functional analysis in the math department?
also complex analysis
linear algebra
I think real analysis is fun

>> No.6706171

What minor would help me get into either aerospace or nuclear industry in mech e? I have equal interest in both but am leaning towards aerospace as satellites are cool

>> No.6706173

>>6706142
Same situation, but thinking of Econ. How is it?

>> No.6706217

>>6705392
What are you some kind of idiot? They design everything. Your keyboard, monitor, computer parts, desk, house, car, phone, etc. If it exists, chances are an engineer designed it.

>> No.6706228

>>6706217
>b-b-but muh nonexisting strings and 57 dimensions and shit

>> No.6706490

>>6706012
are you seriously blaming your parents for you being a lazy asshole?

just get off 4chan and enroll in community college or trade school or s/t

>> No.6706515

In some countries, "engineer" can simply mean "technician" or "mechanic", or "someone who works with engines".

In others, it's a protected title, and you can't call yourself an "engineer" unless you're a member of a professional organization which certifies your competence and reliability as a designer of systems which have to be safe. Even in places where "engineer" is used freely for other things, there is also this kind of certification for the designing type of engineer.

For instance, when anyone builds a bridge, an engineer has to design it, because they're certified to be trustworthy to either do the job properly or recognize that it's beyond their personal competence and refuse to do it.

The professional engineering certification exists for safety, to protect human life, not for efficiency. An engineer who takes a job designing and overseeing construction of a bridge and never manages to get it built, or goes ten times over budget, is not going to lose his certification, but an engineer who builds a bridge that falls down and kills people likely will, unless it fails in a surprising new way that was beyond the normal standards of competence.

>> No.6706594

>>6706123
I'll add another to the tally.

>>6706490
>are you seriously blaming your parents for you being a lazy asshole?
Nope, just noting that they play an enabling role in my non-constructive behaviour. I accept full and sole responsibility for directing my life.

>> No.6706608

What's the difference between /fit/ and /sci/?
On /fit/, they are open about it.

>> No.6706643

I posted this: >>6705746

>>6706515
I should add that it's 100% true that a lot of engineers are almost useless aside from their certification. They don't take away your certification for being useless, only for signing off on something that's blatantly wrong and kills people, or for some kinds of willful misconduct like signing off on work you didn't do.

Similar to becoming a doctor or lawyer, becoming an engineer takes a large up-front investment in time and money. If you don't decide to become an engineer well before it's clear whether you have any real talent for it, you're not going to get there.

There is a strong element of self-interest in professional societies. Medical associations have actually produced a deliberate undersupply of doctors, regardless of the unspeakable suffering this causes, to ensure total employment of their members. Engineers and lawyers have not gone this far, but in the case of engineers at least, they work to put obstacles between talent and certification. I don't know what it's like in other places, but in Canada, you have to get an engineering degree by taking the full four-year course absolutely regardless of your other training, and then you need to do a four-year apprenticeship. There's a minimum 8-year delay between recognizing that you would be a good engineer, and being certified as one. This is generally impractical for anyone over 20, which is the point.

What this works out to is useless engineers getting secure employment where non-engineers effectively do their work for them, and they just approve it. They can't just rubber stamp work unexamined, but there are dodges. They can take "suggestions" from below and "requirements" from above, and their final approved design can be nothing but the combination of these. They can't acknowledge this reality, though, without losing their certification.

>> No.6706720

>>6706643
Engineer here, this guy is not 100% wrong, at least not for all industries. I work automation engineering in Pharma, and there is a LOT of paperwork - getting user requirements and then signing a piece of paper that says they've been implemented which any monkey could do but the signature is only good if an engineer put it there.

>> No.6707630

>>6706643
>I should add that it's 100% true that a lot of engineers are almost useless aside from their certification.

>>6706720
>Engineer here, this guy is not 100% wrong,

Actually, correction: "a lot of engineers" is BS of the highest order. "A lot of engineers where I work" might be true, but just "a lot" in general?

What, you think we use all our time fooling our boss into thinking we're worth our salaries? If engineers didn't add, at a pure minimum, their salary in value to the company every month, we'd all get fucking fired.

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>>6705537
Pic related is how you're making me feel, OP.

Can't wait for this to be my life.

>> No.6709285

>>6705746
>>6706643
If engineers are so useless, why haven't companies caught onto that and stopped paying them ~$100,000 a year?

>> No.6709305

>>6707630
>What, you think we use all our time fooling our boss into thinking we're worth our salaries? If engineers didn't add, at a pure minimum, their salary in value to the company every month, we'd all get fucking fired.
1) The certification itself is important, which was kind of the point of what was being said there. You can have a useless engineer "designing" things according to "requirements" from above and "suggestions" from below, and you're legally allowed to go ahead with construction or manufacturing because of him even though if you removed the legal restrictions you could do exactly the same thing (or something that makes more sense than the stupid changes he insisted on due to his hopeless incompetence) without him being present.

2) The managers are often idiots at technical stuff, too. They don't understand who's actually accomplishing stuff, and who's just on the team where stuff is being accomplished. They often don't see when an engineer is only pressed into making workable decisions by the non-engineers around him. They may be completely deluded about the quality of the work being done. They can also pretend not to understand, and keep idiots on the team to help confuse the actually useful people about their worth, and keep them submissively working for much less than they'd have negotiating power to take if the management seemed at all rational.

3) Due to insane and underhanded business arrangements, useless employees can be highly profitable. A consulting firm can bill double their salary for their time, or government subsidies and sweetheart contracts can be scaled to the number of jobs.

The world isn't a clean, simple, straight place. There are all sorts of reasons why useless engineers are employed.

>> No.6709316

>>6709305
Good thing I don't care how much use a company (or society for that matter) gets out of my time, only that I get paid for it.

If I wanted to "make a difference", I would be a scientist.

>> No.6709569

>>6709285
checkmate atheists

>> No.6709606

>>6706171
With mech e aerospace is guaranteed(its basically a specialised mech e). Not sure about nuclear industry though. Perhaps a minor in physics?

>> No.6709616

>>6705392
kinda like a bridge between science/research and technology

>> No.6709638

>>6706228
without physics there wouldn't be engineers. Don't bite the hand that feeds you-

>> No.6709941

>>6706171
>>6709606
If possible a chemistry minor would be ideal

>> No.6711339

>>6706164
>functional analysis
Functional analysis is a huge field, but among its most fundamental results are the Hahn-Banach theorem, the spectral theorem for compact normal operators, the various results derived from the Baire category theorem, the Banach-Aloaglu theorem, and lots more. Basic functional analysis courses are basically (very roughly) what I said.

If you're into signal processing or anything that uses Fourier analysis in a big way and you want to understand where all that shit comes from, you'll definitely want to get a solid foundation in measure theory and functional analysis, i.e. a year of analysis at the beginning graduate level, along with an introduction to the representation theory of finite groups (this is where the discrete Fourier transform comes from) and to Pontryagin duality for LCA groups, which is a fairly general framework for Fourier analysis and which makes it crystal clear why the Fourier transform is defined the way it is. This subject, harmonic analysis, is probably one of the areas of math with the most "beauty" that's still reasonably close to the surface, so if you're interested, it's well worth your time.

>> No.6711344

>>6711339
This was also meant for >>6706142.

>> No.6711392

>>6709638
Stop with your fucking ignorant bullshit you goddamn moronic fucking douchebag.

Physics as a discrete discipline evolved after engineers were building machines and blowing up castle walls.

Fucking ignorant STEM idiots can't even into a little bit of fucking history.

>> No.6711421

>>6711392
Hey man, lets not start a fight between physics and engineering.

Physicists need engineers to design space probes and particle colliders so they can make new discoveries. Engineers need physicists to make discoveries so we have what we need to make cool new things. It's like they're looking for lost lego bricks under the fridge for us, and we're making lego machnines to help them out. Everyone's doing their thing and it's all good.

>> No.6711423

>>6706594
Welp, at least you're lucky enough to be cushioned by parents who have money still. I have to amp up my act this year so I can hopefully make up for my fuckups and try and get into a decent college.

>> No.6711428

>>6709316
Well shit.

I was told that becoming a materials science engineer would be the best way to be involved in the development and creation of things like nanomachines, or future tech. Was I lied to?

>> No.6711545

Theorist
Physicist
Inventor
Engineer
Draftsman
Technician
Maintenance
Janitors

>> No.6711573

>>6711428
no.

>> No.6711778

>>6705757
reason is: the contractor's "knows" is not going to stand up in court if something goes wrong.

>> No.6711802

I'm gonna study engineering and after my graduation I'd like to build a start up as it seems to be a valuable experience.
I'm still in high school though.
Do you also study some basics of economy ?

As a computer engineer, are you always on your computer ? I mean, it seems like a dumb question but I couldn't use everyday a computer even though I love computer science.

btw sorry for my english

>> No.6711900

>>6711802
You might want to look into "Engineering Management".

>> No.6711917

>>6711802
Computer engineering is generally computer design. That is, you're designing the integrated circuits that go inside your computer. So generally you'll be spending a lot of time writing in an hdl like verilog or vhdl. Probably tcl too.

For example, the people that design chips at Intel are computer engineers.

>> No.6712109

what about bioengineering vs mech e
can i get a summary of both. Thanks.

>> No.6712119

>>6712109
http://huss.covenant.edu/academics/departments/engineering/types_of_engineering

>> No.6712125

>>6712119
>no mention of nuclear

>> No.6712126

>>6712125
Probably not offered at Georgia Tech.

>> No.6712134

>>6712119
>http://huss.covenant.edu/academics/departments/engineering/types_of_engineering

Thanks, but do you have a more detailed version.

Also which course will have more autocad.
hate that shit.

>> No.6712140

>>6712134
if you want a long version look up the wiki page.

>> No.6712168

>>6712134
By the way: not every engineer works in the same phase of product development, meaning you could be a mechanical engineer and doing almost none CAD stuff at all.

>> No.6712170

>>6712140
Ok, last question can i transition from a bioengineering/mech e diploma to a degree in chem e

>> No.6712179

>>6712170
uhm, that you better ask your study consultant at the specific engineering faculty.

>> No.6712182

>>6711421
>implying I cant do both

>> No.6712562

>>6712182
Indeed you can't

>> No.6712642

>>6712562
Minor in physics doesn't count?

>> No.6712779

>>6712170
sorry dude, too late. you bought the ticket, now take the ride.

at least you had the sense to go biomech aftr picking a shit discipline for employability

>> No.6712784

>>6711421
I'm not either,

I'm just so fucking sick of arrogant STEM pricks who think that because they motored through a little bit of math, that they somehow have an omniscient understanding of reality.

>> No.6712787

>>6712784
>unabashedly butthurt liberal arts fag detected

>> No.6712793

>>6712787
No. Wrong, try again.

Plus, Mathematics is one of the 7 liberal arts you ignorant shitbag.

Point, and case made.

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6712795

>>6712787
>>6712793
forgot the picture

>> No.6712796

>>6712793
you mean arithmetic, not mathematics

>> No.6712805

>>6712796
>can't even read

And sorry, It's actually 2 of the liberal arts back at that point, and there were 8 if you count the central art of Philosophia because there were different divisions in disciplinary identity since that's a continually evolving thing that has more to do with political issues in social institutions than actual technical divides or anything...

Aritmetica and Geometria

Pretentious, ignorant, stubborn, pompous, and worthless.

I'm a fan of mathematicians like Mandelbrot, who got kicked out of academia because the rest of you can't into ideas, you just had no friends as a kid and once you get even a little bit of perceived social status you become an intellectual bully.

>> No.6712809

>>6705553
>>>/r9k/
>>6705537
Which is more marketable, a CS or CE degree?

>> No.6712814

>>6712809
>Thinking about things this way
Don't waste everyone's time.

Go into Business.

>> No.6712816

>>6712814
>asking a question on an imageboard for Japanese cartoons
>wasting anyone's time
>not worrying about being out on your ass

>> No.6712820

>>6712816
>don't like the answer you get
>cry about it

>> No.6712824

>>6712820
I'm going to avoid the shit-flinging and assume this is /sci/ saying "google it"

>> No.6712825

>>6712816
If you're already thinking about sales and marketability instead of dialectrics, semiconductors or optimizing mutex algorithms for parallel computing systems or whatever, don't waste everyone's time by getting involved. You're going to produce sub-optimal work and other people are going to have to fix your lazy shit anyway because you are just getting into the career because it's profitable without actually wanting to do it.

You are the cancer. You want the resources, but not to do the work. That's obvious.

Pick another field entirely.

>> No.6712830

I fucked up my life by choosing mech and my uni won't let me switch and I don't even have the money to take extra courses. How can I redeem myself

>> No.6712834

>>6712825
I appreciate a coherent answer, and intend to disregard your advice.

>> No.6712835

>>6712830
How far along are you?

Probably best to finish it anyway, you will have the base in math and science to do anything else with a little bit of simple retraining.

I heard about a mechE who was about to work for a Civil E firm today.

>> No.6712837

>>6712834
I am unsurprised.

>> No.6712841

>>6712835
3rd year. I've worked at a nuclear plant, a robotics factory, and an airplane manufacturing company. I thought I'd be good at this kind of work but turns out I was better at electrodynamics rather than mechanics. I just feel so educationally dull.

>> No.6712842

>>6712841
Yeah, no big deal. You're on the downslope. Why are they keeping you locked in? Are you sure you can't go to another advisor or the Dean of the program you want to get into and make your case?

>> No.6712844

>>6712830
You won't get much happier in any other related engineering branch. Nonetheless, I'd advise you to finish it.
If you really got a passion you are pursuing since years that isn't related with engineering and can be made profitable, maybe drop out of college do that (pretty risky).

>> No.6712850

>>6712841
What kind of work did you do at the airplane manufacturing company?

>> No.6712854

>>6712842
According to them there's too many students and not enough resources to accomodate. The deans tell me to go to the advisors who tell me this actually so I'm pretty much stuck. Though money won't be too much of a problem as I can work it off
>>6712844
I hate thermodynamics and mechanical design but I really like the work that eletrical engineers do. The closest minor to that is mechatronics but it doesn't cover E&M which is what I really want to do.

>> No.6712857

>>6712854
What about switching universities?

>> No.6712858

>>6712850
I with another team helped design the pneumatics involved when the plane lands and the thermodynamics of the engines. Pretty much the mechanisms behind the plane which bored the hell out of me.

>> No.6712861

>>6712857
My current school has a great co op program that no other university in my country has and I really can't afford to give it up.

>> No.6712867

>>6712861
Well, shit.

>> No.6712873

>>6712861
Go ahead with that minor and make some neat robots or some shit. You could always just take a few classes to catch up on E&M once you're done

>> No.6712879

>>6712873
That or self-learn. Not everyone has that kind of motivation, I hear.

>> No.6712882

>>6712861
See if you can Audit some lectures at least, or just sneak in to them so you can get some of the good stuff.

You can probably play with E/M stuff that interests you by making your own lab, too.

>> No.6713206

>>6705392
an interesting point about when we did mech eng, there we no girls, well one and she dropped out.

The department basically said that everyone who came into mech eng had already built the an engine, striped one down, made difrential geared machines or simialr, and it was true, we to a man all had a thorough understanding of mechanical thermodynamics, fluids and control systems before we started, and it was true. The new push for women and "more" engineers was causing huge problems because people were coming with way way less knowledge practical and theoretical, I myslef had built differential machines, steam engines from stracth, my own dam and generator, every one in mech had done the same

>> No.6715006

>>6712825
That is quite the projection my friend. There is a good possibility that he meant marketability in the sense of which discipline has more employment opportunities. In which case he is being practical, not "lazy" or "cancer".

This is not a fairy tale where everyone gets to work their dream job and loves life. If you have the opportunity and aptitude to study something that will keep you gainfully employed, it's a good idea to take it. Asking questions about the job market and a field's <i>marketability</i> is an important part of making the right choice for a career.

>> No.6715097

>>6705392
>What is engineering exactly?
the art of sucking cocks

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6715130

>What is engineering exactly? What do they even do? They seem like overglorified maintenance men or carpenters, based on what I found. Help me /sci/, I don't get what they even do.

Basically, engineering is the most overrated "science" branch ever. Every engineer I meet talks and behaves as if he's some kind of alpha scientist , while engineers are just some kind of technicians with a bigger salary and ego. It's always funny to see engineers calling themselves "scientists" when they don't know jack shit about scientific thoery, research method or scientific reasoning and their favorite "scientists" usually consist in Carl Sagan, DeGrasse Tyson or Dawkins for those with a fedora tendency. So if you have no imagination and no desire to push boundaries, I guess engineering can be for you.

Also, engineering is basically the easiest scientific branch out there. It always make me cringe when they go whining around "oh my god I'm a computer engineering, i work so hard, engineering is soooooooooooo difficult, calculus omagad" when 99% of engineers don't have a PhD or an equivalent. Overrating oneself is a typical engineering trait.

>> No.6715140

>>6715130
You seem upset that you are unemployed.

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6715204

>What do they even do?

>> No.6715219

>>6712796
the word "liberal" in liberal arts means worthy of a free person (as opposed to a slave), and such an education isn't meant to get you a job but rather to make you useful in a free society.

>> No.6715231

>>6705392

Controls engineer here. I make the automation systems in factories work or I fix them when they break. Apparently not many people who want to do that can do that and do it well.

>> No.6715232

>>6715130
Engineering is a business degree for asocial people who can do calculus.

>> No.6715234

>>6715130
>engineering
>science

pick one.

>> No.6715240

Does anyone know anything similar to khan academy for (mechanical) engineering?

>> No.6715247

>>6715240
MIT OCW probably has anything you need

>> No.6715252
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6715252

>>6715130
wow, you have sand in your vagina

>> No.6715274

>>6715252
most of the engineers I talk to (i'm in school for EE myself) like to think they are both scientists and mathematicians when they are neither and go on about how much money they are going to make with their engineering degrees, when they need a fucking solution manual to velcro their shoes, these idiots need a babysitter for even the most trivial problems

>> No.6715283

>>6715274
Dude, just find some better friends and stop hating on all engineers cause you hang out with some arrogant ones. Why do you hang out with them if you're not like them?

>> No.6715284

>>6715283
Well the ones that are smart enough to know he's retarded won't hang out with him.

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>>6715283
I don't hang out with them they like talking to me because I am smrt and they think if they act all buddy-buddy i'll give them my notes and help them out and shit

I don't hang out with those nerds, the people I hang out with don't even go to school except one guy who is going to culinary school. I admit there are a select few people in my classes that are chill to hang out with, most are posers though

>> No.6715312

>>6715286
>them they like talking to me because I am smrt and they think if they act all buddy-buddy i'll give them my notes and help them out and shit

Engineering has nothing to do with it. Thats just human nature, one I dislike, though nature nonetheless. Take it easy on them. Not everyone is born a smartypants like yerself.

That doesnt meant I approve of what they do. Im not a smartypants myself but I work hard to learn my shit

>> No.6715318

I'm gonna be upfront and just say that I envy any type of engineer and honestly believe their profession will be along the lines of burger flipping when our society advances. But I'm a self- trained software developer and I consider them similar to software programmers, with the exception that their code is actual real-life machinery. Their skillset must include creativity, foresight, multitasking, and efficiency. So yeah, it's not a walk in the park, but definitely overpaid.

>> No.6715342

>>6715006
This anon knows what he's talking about. A good response to someone that seems to have had bad experience with others in his own field.

>> No.6715425

>>6712809
Computer engineers are trained for programming and electronics. These days there are a lot of jobs that only require programming skills, and not so many that require both. Programming only jobs are traditionally the CS thing, but now a lot of computer engineers take them too. Computer engineers are trained for firmware programming instead of big web dev database projects, but employers don't generally care. If you're a computer engineer you can find jobs computer scientists don't have the electronics background for, or do a computer scientist type job.

>> No.6715427

I engineer triple integrals for the gubmint, 300k starting.

btw, phds in physics, math, chem/mech/elec eng.

its so ez
u mad op?

>> No.6715693

>>6715427
What age were you up getting your final PHD?
College?

>> No.6715801

So after reading this I still don't know what an engineer does

>> No.6715879

>>6715801

Go back and read

>>6705433
>>6706515
>>6705507

If you still don't have the general idea, then engineering isn't for you. Maybe an MBA?

>> No.6715890

They design things that meet their client's needs.

>> No.6715928

>>6715801
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_design_process
Basically this, forever, within slightly varying fields.

>> No.6715967

>>6715247
Thanks anon

>> No.6715987

Software? Sit your ass in a computer
PCB design? Computer.
Integrated circuit design? Computer.
Deskwork? Computer.

Don't know what you're working on, but most likely, it's goin to be in front of a damn computer.

>> No.6715989

>>6715987

sounds boring.

>> No.6717165

>>6715989
If you're a civil or structural engineer, you'll be visiting project sites and such. Mechanical engineers work in the real world too sometimes.

>> No.6717181

>>6715989
all the more access to the internet

>> No.6717193

Aerospace Engineer here. We build planes and stuff. Still waiting for that Navier-Stokes, eggheads.

>> No.6717270

>>6715130
>mfw you've talked to like one sperg faggot trying to get an EE degree about to fail out, clinging to the fact that he can talk down on others while hes still enrolled
you've obviously never seen some of the research that engr grad students do because some of it is pretty cool and i know grad students doing new research in plasma phys, two-phase choked flow through cracks, and all kinds of other shit. you also sound NEET as fuck

>> No.6719089

>>6705553
Motivation is for faggots. Discipline is where it's at.