/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.6690213]

>>5261555
Tell me /sci/, can you be intelligent if you're not good at mathematics?

[Anonymous No.6690214]

>>6690213
Yes.

>inb4 edgy 12 year old who gets bullied in school "no lol u suck and we should kill stupid people xDDDD"

[Anonymous No.6690215]

>>>/lit/5261555
Messed it up. I want to see both boards' opinion on this.

[Anonymous No.6690225]

>>6690213
Intelligence
>"the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills."

I could sit here all day and list skills that don't require math.

[Anonymous No.6690227]

No, mathematical reasoning is the best way to prove you have the logical and creative skills. Usually people who are good at maths can get good are many other things with great ease. And people who are bad usually just have one skill that they have ease.

[Anonymous No.6690233]

Intelligence is the ability to get laid.

[Anonymous No.6690234]

>>6690233
So your mom must be a genius

[Anonymous No.6690240]

>>6690227
is this intuition or has there been research on this topic?

[Anonymous No.6690245]

>>6690240
To be honest is just my own pseudo meta-analysis from personal experience and statistic I have encountered throughout my life.

I know IQ is flawd but I've seen that sciences and math have people with overall higher IQ, but also I've seen a lot of people fail in arts who also were bad at maths. And people who got overall good grades could do great shit.

What I'm trying to say is that mathematics is core proof of you having a creative mind as well as a logical. That shit about one side of the brain being the bla bla bla is not really conclusive, not my point but is just my bullshit theories.

[Anonymous No.6690264]

>>6690213
No.

[Anonymous No.6690779]

>>6690213
Were you the one asking this earlier on /lit/?
Let me put it this way for you. There are a lot of mathematics principles and concepts which many students should be aware of due to their compulsory education. And there are more difficult concepts at higher levels (undergraduate, masters, phd).
Someone may not be able to perform well at a high level of mathematics due to a lack of understanding of one of the levels below it. For example, at a very basic level, if I had not been taught multiplication or division, it would be difficult for me to understand algebra. If I had not been taught indices, I would find differentiation and integration difficult.
You can be intelligent, and just not have the knowledge necessary to perform at a level expected of an intelligent individual.

However, and this is the key point here, an intelligent individual should be able to understand (and "learn" [for want of a better word]) all the concepts of mathematics up to the level they are expected to know for their level of intellect. Just because they can't do maths, because they don't have the knowledge, doesn't mean they aren't intelligent. Someone who can't do maths, even if they had the knowledge, is not intelligent.

For example, if I asked a mathematician who only knows English to do mathematics using Indian numerals, I doubt they could; this is a lack of knowledge. If they could read the Indian numerals, they could do the maths. Someone who is not as intelligent, who had the knowledge of reading Indian numerals, would not be able to.

Does my explanation make sense? and do you agree with me? If not then why?

[Anonymous No.6690781]

>>6690213
No.

Being able to understand and grasp mathematics is a strong indicator of how intelligent you are.

[Anonymous No.6690792]

Yes. Mathematic intelligence is just a pure, autistic form of intelligence.

[Anonymous No.6690793]

>>6690781
yes, it's an indicator for some kind of intelligence, but it doesn't mean that it is the only form of intelligence.
i.e. all mathematicians are smart, but not all smart people are mathematicians.

[Anonymous No.6690795]

absolutely. There are so many other areas of life that are far more important than mathematical/logical reasoning. e.g. emotional intelligence, musical intelligence, social intelligence, self-esteem, courage, confidence. Just because our educational system refuses to emphasize the importance of these things doesn't mean they aren't important.

[Anonymous No.6690803]

>>6690793
>mathematicians

I wasn't talking about being a mathematician. I was talking about being able to "grasp" math. Given a short introduction, an intelligent as fuck, yet uneducated third world kid, would be able to grasp and understand advanced math concepts. When you boil it down, math is nothing more than quantitative problem solving and patten recognition. Which is usually correlated with what people think of when we talk about "intelligence".

Hence, if you can get math (even if you don't study of like it) you are smart.

[Anonymous No.6690805]

>All of this speculation and anecdotes.

http://www.gwern.net/docs/dnb/2010-alloway.pdf

tl:dr Memory, rather than IQ, accounted for the largest amount of statistical variance in outcomes in numeracy.

[Anonymous No.6690806]

>>6690795
>musical intelligence

[Anonymous No.6690811]

>>6690795
>list various other good traits

Did anyone say they weren't important? .. Nope

[Anonymous No.6690812]

>>6690793
>all mathematicians are smart,
not sure if troll

[Anonymous No.6690815]

>>6690812
>not sure if troll

Not sure if your retarded

[Anonymous No.6690819]

>>6690806
The funny part is that music is highly mathematical.

[Anonymous No.6690822]

>>6690819
How is that funny?

[Anonymous No.6690831]

>>6690822
Mathematicians cannot rationalize humor don't even try to sum up his rationalization, it's expressionless.

[Anonymous No.6690840]

>>6690831
>non-sequiturs

Do you think you are making sense? No one in this thread has claimed to be a mathematician.

[Anonymous No.6690851]

>>6690831
>implying that pic isn't funny

[Anonymous No.6690890]

>>6690806
this is actually a real thing.

How do you remember the alphabet?

[Anonymous No.6690914]

>>6690213
There are plenty of intelligent people who aren't good at math, so it is definitely possible to be intelligent and suck at math. However, if you are good at math, that is a good sign that you are probably also intelligent.

[Anonymous No.6690992]

>>6690779
Hm, that's clear.

[Anonymous No.6691002]

>>6690890
>you remember the alphabet with music

[Anonymous No.6691009]

>>6690890
>Asian people are able to remember hundreds of symbols and ordering

>Americans can't even remember the order of 26 symbols

[Anonymous No.6691029]

>>6691009
Why do you think asians always play an instrument? checkm8

[Anonymous No.6691075]

>>6691009
What point are you trying to prove?

[Anonymous No.6691140]

>>6691009
For Japanese at least it's broken into a "table" of vowel sounds (a, i, u, e, o, ka, ki, ku, ke, ko, sa, shi, su, se, so, etc) which makes it easier to remember.

[Not as dumb as anon No.6691853]

retards, this is very simple. born in the middle of no where with an IQ in the upper 400's, lives life without opp for edu, no reason to derive calc...this being would be ultra sharp without math skills...such a question screams "retard".

[Anonymous No.6691858]

TAKE THIS FACT INTO ACCOUNT:
You have those (medical) retards with an IQ of 80 or something but can solve virtually all of mathematical problems in a half of a second, the savants or what ever the fuck they call them.

They struggle cleaning their ass after they take a shit and are most of the time not even "functional" for living and working but they can do mad math. Just take that into account.

I think this fact, this undeniable thing that exist, is telling us that there is more to "intelligence" (what the fuck is intelligence anyway?) then math. Computers can be told just once the rules of math, beat you at chess, beat you at logic, calculate faster then anything we observed in existence yada yada but there is no more stupid thing then a computer, its borderline useless and cant do shit without you telling it to do something and CANT LEARN on its own for what ever reason.

So, there IS more to intelligence then just math. There must be. I never studied this and I have no idea how and what and why but even when I am looking at it from this distance and even tho I am only seeing the biggest shapes I can still clearly spot that there is more to it then just the pure mathematical sense to it.

[Anonymous No.6692157]

>>6691858
>there is more to "intelligence" then math
>then math
>then

>there IS more intelligence then just math
>then just
>then

I'm not liking where this is going from the start, but I'll give it a go.


Savants can't even be compared fairly to the typical or average individual.

For example, Kim Peek, with an almost perfect memory had an IQ below 90, but he lacked the part of the brain which becomes the corpus callosum and links the two brain hemispheres; thus his brain compensated by forming abnormal connections between hemispheres.

His brain pathology is abnormal, and so are brains of many savants, and thus can't be used in this debate in the way you have.

Many of us are saying, for someone who has what can be considered a healthy brain or a typical brain, intelligence and mathematical ability are correlated.

[Anonymous No.6692161]

>>6690245
I need to disagree with your bit on creativity, I feel like it's the opposite of strict logical thinking

Math requires you to follow a strict path of thought which is defined by logic and reason, while creativity is branching off into different, undiscovered thought patterns

[Anonymous No.6692201]

>>6692161
This post makes it kind of obvious you've never done math before.

[Carbon No.6692206]

>>6690213
Intelligence, is the rate of learning...not the content.
You don't have to know math to learn quickly or vice versa.
You don't have to be intelligent so much as remember formulas and relationships, at least up until PDE level math.

[Anonymous No.6692220]

>>6692201
All I can say is that I'm really good at math and really shitty at creativity, but it's the opposite when I'm sleepy or drunk.

[Anonymous No.6692228]

>>6692220
What level of math are we talking about here? I don't see how it's possible to do high level math without being very creative.

[Anonymous No.6693384]

>>6690234
#REKT