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6674716 No.6674716 [Reply] [Original]

Does nothing exist? What would theoretically happen if it did? And don't come at with that yarblar Vacuum because even those are poluted with radio wave & shit

>> No.6674730

>>6674716
Define nothing.

>> No.6674731

>>6674730
Lack of everything that can physically exist

>> No.6674733

>>6674731
Then it does not exist.
If it did, there would be nothing.

>> No.6674734

>>6674731
> >>6674730
and metaphysically, IE Story or Elements or Lines
I figured Math could describe it well?

>> No.6674735

That isn't a science question. It's a philosophy question with implications for science. I think lit would be a better place to ask that.

>> No.6674736

>>6674734
see
>>6674733

Fucking il/lit/erates

>> No.6674737

>>6674733
So if there is a box with "nothing" in it, then the void contained within the walls of the box doesn't physically exist?

>> No.6674739

>>6674716
Nothing just isn't there.

>> No.6674740

>>6674736
But what would be the reaction?

>> No.6674744

>>6674737
>>6674740
Vacuum is still something.

>> No.6674748

>>6674744
Vacuum is a lack of something. It's not something that physically exists

>> No.6674752

>>6674748
That's the problem with your question.

If you give nothing a name, will it become something? That is what I meant by vacuum is still something.
By your definition of lack of everything, it fits the description until it does, then it doesn't lack everything, it does have a name and a definition.
A name is something that can exist physically.

We call this a stupid question and thus post them in stupid question generals.

>> No.6674756

>>6674752
Dammit I just got mindfucked

>> No.6674763

>>6674752
The point being if the nothing is beside something what happens to the something, is it magnefied is it glorified or is it 0.00...001'afide

>> No.6674764
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6674764

Ive thought about this. And idk why people look down upon these philosophical questions, no board is more suited then /sci for these types. We go here to see what the smart kids think of a question. No it cant be tested, but still its a question to make you think, and there is nothing wrong with asking questions even when there is no answer.

But ive thought "look around you" there's all this shit... where did it come from? how did it get here? Yes this is question that cant be answered but still it makes you think. But ive always thought what if instead of all this shit, stars,planets the solar system, galaxies and the universe and all the other shit we haven't figured out. What if there was just nothing? Not just space. But absolutely not a fucking thing in existence. Just "blank" Nada

>> No.6674766

>>6674752
>>6674763
Nothing happens by nothings boundaries, something happens by somethings boundaries.
In a physical world, nothing might be something for our analogous understanding, but physically it's just vacuum.
I can't answer your question but I can tell you than by definition nothing can't have any effect on something.

>> No.6674770

>>6674763
You would need to measure nothing in order to compare it to something. And since you cannot measure nothing, it would have to be either infinite or finite to the point it does not exist at all. Either way, you can't define something that does not exist, because if you did, it would exist as whatever you define it as

>> No.6674774

>>6674764
>What if there was just nothing? Not just space. But absolutely not a fucking thing in existence. Just "blank" Nada

I'd imagine it's the same feeling as before you were born. Before you were created, you were nothing. Then you were created, and with your creation came everything

>> No.6674777

>>6674730
>>6674733
>>6674744
>>6674752
>>6674766
>>6674770
>>6674774

Metaphysics Blown.The.Fuck.Out on /sci/ again lol

>> No.6674780

>>6674774
His consciousness did not exist per se, but most of the atoms in his body have existed for billions of years.

>> No.6674782

>>6674716
>Does nothing exist?
Of course things exist, you retard
>What would theoretically happen if it did?
Oh, you mean that kind of nothing. The kind that retards think is something. No, "nothing" doesn't exist, because to exist is to be something and NOTHING IS NOTHING.

>> No.6674783

>>6674780
Yeah, all atoms ( or at least the matter that makes them up) are as old as the universe itself. But if "nothing" doesn't exist, that would mean something MUST occupy every possible space in every direction infinitely. Because if something wasnt there to occupy the space, "nothing" would have to exist

>> No.6674785

>>6674777
>Conflating shit metaphysics with all metaphysics
>Not realizing that all the posts you replied to were simply expressing a more correct metaphysics
>Being this plebian

>> No.6674787

>>6674785
>plebian
*plebby
or
*plebeian

>> No.6674791

Nothing is one of the words that does not refer to anything. It's just a concept, like God or "free will". We can talk about or debate it. But it does not exist in reality. So arguing about it's properties is like arguing over if a flying spaghetti monster tastes spicy or not.

>> No.6674797

>>6674733
Thread should have been over at that point.
Sage

>> No.6674803

>>6674787
Well, shit.

>> No.6674822

without physical objects, "space" would be meaningless because space is the framework upon which we understand how physical objects are related to each other

>> No.6674899

All philosophical ideas aside, is there any law of physics that prevents a true "void" or nothingness from occurring? Say I took a box and managed to remove every single atom and every single bit of physical matter from the inside. What's stopping this from happening?

>> No.6674931

>>6674899
Vacuums nigger

>> No.6675659

>>6674716
Take your pseudo-philosophical bullshit out of here.

>> No.6675662

>>6675659
>physics
>not science

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6677077

>>6674748

Vacuum in the sense of space devoid of matter is not "nothing". Even disregarding vacuum fluctuations, dark energy, neutrinos, and other quantum physics phenomena; it still consists of 3 Cartesian dimensions and abides by physical laws (EX: if you were to put matter inside it, the mater would exert a gravitational force, etc).

However, if the OP is asking if "nothing" exists in the sense of the absence of anything, including physical laws, space time, etc, then obviously it does not. Such a state is not observable, and theoretically impossible in our universe. This also begs the question that if such a state was possible, why would we say such a state "exists"? This is an oxymoron by definition. This is just arguing semantics and the thought has no meaning or value to anyone who is scientifically minded.

>> No.6677082

>>6674899
the box would start evaporating and screw up your void

>> No.6677219

On which topic, has anyone else ever noticed that all knowledge is a boring tautology?

Like if you are comparing two things, and they are truly equivalent, then you've simply stated that A is itself A. Right?