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How come the water in Titan isn't drinkable or liveable for humans? Can't we just send a colony there right now and convert the water to be good for humans?

>> No.6666083

>>6666070
>How come the water in Titan isn't drinkable or liveable for humans?

It's frozen rock solid.

>Can't we just send a colony there right now and convert the water to be good for humans?

If you raised the temperature by like 300 K then maybe you could.

>> No.6666119

>>6666070

Going to Titan will require an entirely different era of cosmic trail blazing. Titan will definitely be the next go to planet after we finally colonize Mars in the coming decades. Beyond Titan we'll have to become truly interstellar by reaching another star system. That will probably happen sometime in the early 22nd century if we're lucky.

>> No.6666129

>>6666119
>interstellar flight
>early 22nd century
Are you fucking serious m8

>> No.6666134

>>6666119
It'll be 71 years before more than 8 people are on Mars at any given time. It'll be almost 150 years before humans set foot on another planet or moon. We'll be too busy with the asteroid belt.

>> No.6666175

>>6666119
25 years until we're visiting another solar system

You heard it here first folks

>> No.6666181

>>6666119
>Titan will definitely be the next go to planet after we finally colonize Mars in the coming decades.
we can't even go back to the moon.

We'll just build more weapons to kill each other, anon.

>> No.6666185

>>6666134
>We'll be too busy with the asteroid belt.
you are now aware that the entire mass of the asteroid belt is less than 1/4 of the mass of Earth's moon.

>> No.6666191

>>6666185
So you've taken what you've been told as fact? I suppose you think the pyramids are only 7-10k years old too right?

>> No.6666196

>>6666175
>Early 22nd century
>25 years

You can't do math.

>> No.6666200

>>6666185
Yeah, so? It's also all more easily accessible. Most of the Moon is useless for colonization because it's underneath the rest of the Moon.

>> No.6666207

>>6666191
It's true. The asteroid belt is smaller actually.

The total mass of the asteroid belt is estimated to be 2.8×1021 to 3.2×1021 kilograms, which is just 4% of the mass of the Moon. The four largest objects, Ceres, 4 Vesta, 2 Pallas, and 10 Hygiea, account for half of the belt's total mass, with almost one-third accounted for by Ceres alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt

Also, the material is millions and millions of miles away. The whole "asteroid" mining thing needs to have a long discussion with reality.

>imma get lots of expensive rocks and bring them down to earth!

lol.

>> No.6666210

>>6666070
it's not water. It's an ocean of methane. It's so cold that the methane is in liquid state.

>> No.6666218

>you will never colonize titan

>> No.6666256

>>6666070
We need to engineer a few thousand passes from meteors or asteroids by it in order to suck it closer to the sun. We'll need a massive fleet of solar surfers to pull it off and it might take several hundred years.

>> No.6666261

>>6666207
I never said anything about mining and you said it yourself, Estimated to be 2.8x1021.................

>> No.6666320

Why can't we just exhaust the green house gases into the space like from my kitchen

>> No.6666494

>>6666119
>after we finally colonize Mars in the coming decades
top fucking kek

200 years before we do any fucking thing in that regard

>> No.6667077

>>6666181
Personally I think Európé would be a better choice

>> No.6667329

>>6666175
22nd century is the 2100s.

>> No.6667736

>>6666185
Don't really have relevant knowledge, not sure anyone does. But I think it might be more about surface area than actual mass

>> No.6667777

>>6667736
It more like the reality of asteroid mining is like spending billions and billions to collect a few pebbles millions and millions of miles apart.

It'd be better to just find a way to wrangle Ceres and use it.

>> No.6667851
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6667851

First we must master ourselves and shake off the limiting notion of being "human"

>> No.6667871

>>6666181
We can go back to the moon, we just have no need to.

>> No.6667964

>>6667871
with that attitude, we never "needed" to go to the moon in the first place.

It's exactly this attitude why we haven't gone back and why we won't ever leave this rock. We just maintain satellites in orbit, nothing more.

>> No.6667965

>>6666320
Because the CO2 would freeze.

>> No.6668111

>>6666207
Just because the asteroids are tiny doesn't make them any less dangerous. Micrometeoroids can fuck up a spacecraft up good m8. Not to mention an EVA suit could be swiss cheesed in seconds.

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6668124

>>6667964
Unless we are given some new boogeyman commies to be afraid of, we're not going anywhere. Sorry.

>> No.6668689

>>6666070
There is so much retardation in this thread I am embarrassed for /sci/
1. it is not water on titan. it methane. freezing cold methane,
2. we will almost never colonize titan because of a dew reasons
I. its far away
II. Like really fucking far away
III. there is no practical reason to. like at all
IV. Saturn's magnetic field is huge and would cause radiation sickness

Jesus Christ did you not even look at the Wikipedia page you retard.

>> No.6668845

>>6668124
Someones gotta fund these projects and they must need a reason to fund them. We'd never go back to the moon to just "check it out"

>> No.6668865

>>6668689
You can drop a hose in a lake and pull out rocket full and you think its useless.

>> No.6668898

>>6666218
>you'll never titanize colon

>> No.6668929

>>6668689
>1. it is not water on titan. it methane. freezing cold methane,
There's subsurface water.
>IV. Saturn's magnetic field is huge and would cause radiation sickness
No. Titan is far out away from the radiation belt an has a very thick atmosphere.

>> No.6669596

>>6668865
there is enough methane anywhere else that is more efficient

>> No.6669608

>>6668929
there is possible subsurface water on lots of heavenly body's.
not far enough for long term colonization.

>> No.6669668

>>6669596
Actually there is a very low DV between Saturn's moons. It is convenient if you live there. Forom a space travel point of view its Earths gravity that's inconvenient. Once you reach Escape velocity your half way to Saturn reaction mass wise.

>> No.6670144

>>6666070
Op you are retarded the titan is alot like Venus but backwards instead of having lakes of molten iron and god awful volcanoes from hell,
You have icy methane geysers and lakes and a atmospheric pressure as closer to Venus than earth caused from HUGE amounts of nitrogen
Enjoy your stay on a icy hell with cyanoacetylene, hydrogen cyanide, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, cyanogen and wonderful liquid nitrogen to breath in as your air at a wonderful −179.2 °C

>> No.6670696

>>6670144
this exactly

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6672330

>>6669608
Its not even subsurface. The ground is made of water. "Rocks" on Titan are made of water. Volcanoes spew out ammonia/water slush.

>> No.6672388

>>6672330
tell that too 6668929

>> No.6672554

>>6666119
I'd like to be optimistic enough to believe that, but it probably won't be another couple centuries before we do start exploring interstellar space.

>> No.6672563

>>6667077
Ìt sêéms wè havé an hísptér hérè

>> No.6673608

>>6666207
However, the moon has most of its heavier elements located in the core, while asteroids would have it uniformly spread throughout providing for easy access and immediate profitability.

The amount of monetary value in an asteroid, using today's metal prices, is in the hundreds of billions to tens of trillions. Keep in mind that we're talking about a single asteroid, and the asteroid belt has thousands upon thousands of asteroids within it.

Most people are pessimistic about space travel because they don't realize how profitable it would be. All it takes is a single successful foray, and the growth into space will be exponential. It would be on the scale of the computer revolution.

>> No.6673635

>>6673608
monetary value in an asteroid, using today's metal prices, is in the hundreds of billions to tens of trillions. Keep in mind that we're talking about a single asteroid, and the asteroid belt has thousands upon thousands of asteroids within it.
When you dump trillions of tones of any material on a market, you will collapse it.

>> No.6673663

>>6667077
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>> No.6673679

>>6673635
Unless you control the flow of that metal since your business was the only one to go up into space and bother to get it. It provides the opportunity to corner a market that is worth the size of the global economy.

Not only that, having a bulk of metals gives the opportunity to move into manufacturing. In space, constructing spaceships would be far easier than it is on Earth since you would not be constrained by the atmosphere or gravity. You could build bigger, better ships and use it to do things that would be impossible if you were using Earth as a launching pad.

Or, alternatively, you could serve as a medium for governments in carrying out pursuits of military, consumer, and scientific interest. For example, you could create satellites for pennies on the dollar, build giant particle accelerators in a near-perfect vacuum, or manufacture structures to be sent to prime other planets or moons for colonization/research.

The market for space is not only in the raw materials. Manufacturing is an important aspect that will come into play as well.

>> No.6673686

>>6666185
He's talking about the vast amount of resources humanity can get out of the asteroid belt.

>> No.6673824

>>6667777
nice tripquads

>> No.6674072

>>6668898
I'll let you titanize my colon anon ;;;;;;^)))))))

>> No.6674073

>>6666070
too bad this wasn't the septa-six get
let's see what was
>>6666666

>> No.6674075

>>6674072
Going all the way to your colon would be going pretty deep, Anon.

>> No.6674078

>>6674075
Please unleash your hypernova all over my event horizon ;^)