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Anonymous Tue Jul 22 12:35:14 2014 No.6658479 [Reply] [Original]

>Being a philosopher is an actual occupation.

Why is this allowed? Why hasn't academia shut them down yet? A lot of them don't even teach, they spend all their time writing papers, going to international conferences, and submitting their works to peer-reviewed journals--as if they were really engaged in the genuine pursuit of knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 12:42:14 2014 No.6658492 >being bored is an excuse to post shit threads

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 12:43:07 2014 No.6658494

>>6658479
Because a philosophers expertise is to point out when a set of beliefs is incoherent.
Nobody debunks false premises and logical fallacies as good as a philosopher.
That's all there is to it. Formal falsification. Exploration of what you can believe and how.

Apart from cultural philosophers. Those are freaks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 12:48:37 2014 No.6658509 >>6658492 >Being bored is an excuse to post shit answers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 12:58:29 2014 No.6658528 >>6658479 It is allowed because someone must flip the burgers, and philosophers do a lot of heroine. > /sci/ is for discussing topics pertaining to science and mathematics

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 12:59:29 2014 No.6658530

>>6658494
This is a joke, right?

Philosophers INVENTED logical fallacies. It's literally the only thing they have to back up their baseless nonsensical beliefs. It doesn't take much edcuation - in fact it only takes basic literacy - to see how full of shit most philosophers actually are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 13:02:30 2014 No.6658535 >>6658530 You don't invent logical fallacies, retard. You point them out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 13:05:16 2014 No.6658539 >>6658530 What do you get out of shitposting like this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 13:06:19 2014 No.6658541 >>6658528 You didn't read what I said. There are philosophers who don't flip burgers--who work as philosophers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 13:10:19 2014 No.6658548 >>6658541 >you didn't read what I said > /sci/ is for discussing topics pertaining to science and mathematics

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 13:11:20 2014 No.6658551 Philosophy is a worth while pursuit for those that do it, I'm sure. If they make a living and enjoy doing their job, then what's it to ya?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 13:13:01 2014 No.6658554 >>6658551 He's an American. He believes something is only worthwhile when it directly produces tangible things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 13:15:23 2014 No.6658556 >>6658554 Actually, he's a troll, and you are eating bait like a dumb fucking fish. Philosophy is off-topic for this board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 13:32:41 2014 No.6658570 bamp

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 16:02:23 2014 No.6658811 If I have a bunch of money and I want to pay philosophers to write papers, then what right do you have to stop me?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 16:03:25 2014 No.6658813 >>6658811 Just to further this, what's the difference between that and a publishing company paying an author to write more novels?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 16:04:21 2014 No.6658816 >>6658509 >>6658492 Loop (while stupid);

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 16:07:06 2014 No.6658824
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>>6658494
>Nobody debunks false premises and logical fallacies as good as a philosopher.

Except mathematicians or about anyone who has read an analysis book or a math logic book.
Assuming your post wasn't b8.

>>6658479
It's for plebs.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 20:21:30 2014 No.6659351 >>6658824 >>6658479 philosophers debunk the trash you fools put out. not everything that makes sense in numbers smoothly translates into the real world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 20:40:27 2014 No.6659373 >>6659351 this is basically the idea. empiricism/naturalism has its limits, and as a mathematician it really upsets me when people on here think their trade is a cure-all or that it has any normative basis.

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 20:45:24 2014 No.6659383

>>6659373
> when people on here think their trade is a cure-all...

...LIKE PHILOSOPHERS.

Here is where you are an asshole: "Reminder: /sci/ is for discussing topics pertaining to science and mathematics"

You contribute nothing but trolling. You are a very small person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 20:50:53 2014 No.6659395 >>6659383 have you ever read a philosophy book?

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 20:52:10 2014 No.6659398

>>6659383
What the fuck are you talking about? Why do you think I'm "le trolling," or that I'm a "small person? Stop being so goddamn defensive and contribute to the conversation.

>...LIKE PHILOSOPHERS.
It has historically been the philosopher's job to question, criticize and analyze the most fundamental basis in our understanding of basic branches of the sciences, arts, existence. Philosophy is concerned with truth and truth only; the same cannot be said with any other academic subject as they rely on some basis of understanding, whereas philosophy seeks to establish what that basis is. There's a reason why earlier scientists were called "natural philosophers"

You seem to have gotten really upset over not understanding what philosophy is. Or maybe you're upset that I claimed certain people think their trade in the sciences or mathematics is a cure-all, which indubitably they do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 20:55:24 2014 No.6659407 >>6659398 > Or maybe you're upset that I claimed certain people think their trade in the sciences or mathematics is a cure-all I've seen people like this.. you cant mess with their "religion", is worse than asking troll question to a fanatic muslim.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 20:56:52 2014 No.6659410 >>6659395 >can't read It's obvious you held one once.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 20:58:27 2014 No.6659415 >>6659398 >contribute to rules violating shitposting No.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 20:59:04 2014 No.6659417 File: 99 KB, 500x395, wut.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6659383 >2014 >not having a clue what philosophy is >mfw

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 21:01:42 2014 No.6659426 >>6659417 >posting in a rules breaking thread with a reaction image Oh, gee. Whatever you said sure showed me. I feel it to the bone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 21:09:06 2014 No.6659444 >>6658479 Rephrase your question and premise to instead target entertainers and you shall get at the point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 21:09:08 2014 No.6659445 >>6659426 I related philosophy to science in a very evident manner. If you feel like you can't reply to my post in any meaningful way to help contribute to the conversation, then I'll be on my way.

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 21:14:30 2014 No.6659457

>>6659445
>I related philosophy to an aardvark

Good for you. Here is what science actually needs: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability.

You just ignored all that and pretended you were being clever.

Anonymous Tue Jul 22 21:20:21 2014 No.6659467

>>6659457
I was referring to the epistemological question of whether we can have basic knowledge of the external world. This is what branch of epistemology--known as "empiricism"--is used as a foundation for the sciences. The limits of empiricism is what the whole philosophy of science conversation is about, not the scientific method.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 21:31:48 2014 No.6659493 >>6659467 You compared your feelings to a dictionary and said the dictionary is lacking.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 21:34:45 2014 No.6659504 >>6659493 sick of this shit. reported for rule violation. ironic that you regarded me as a "shit-poster"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 21:38:40 2014 No.6659512 >>6659504 Funny thing. This thread and your posts were the rules violation, not your whiny butthurt feelings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 21:42:21 2014 No.6659517 >>6659512 >implying every single post in here isn't a rule violation >including this one sage

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 06:37:38 2014 No.6660168

>>6658479
>>Being a philosopher is an actual occupation.
>Why is this allowed?

>Doing something

>Allowed

It's like you don't even live in the land of the free and home of the brave. In a real country, you don't need people to ALLOW you to do what you want!

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 06:47:54 2014 No.6660177

>>6658530

This comment is akin to saying that mathematics is useless because mathematicians sinply invented their axioms. Yeah, that's how stupid your post is.

If humans didn't invent things, they wouldn't exist. There is no special constellation or rock formation or fossilized piece of shit that can give humans the tools they need. So instead, we created simple and effective tools for understanding the world. The universe is entirely logical. An event cannot occur and not occur simultaneously; quanities are an emmergent quality of reality. So we have constructed axioms and fallacies in order to better align human thought with the logical behavior of the universe.

Any of you edgy fags that think philosophy is bullshit because you can just say whatever the hell you want, or mathematics is null because it has no physical basis, obviously don't have the merit to hang around a community like /sci/ (not that it isn't shit, but you catch my drift).

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