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Is this this best math stackexchange user or what?
Seriously, just look at all the butthurt he gets, and his nonchalantness about it all.

http://math.stackexchange.com/users/97378/cleo?tab=answers&sort=votes

Just click any question he answered and look at the butthurt comments following them. Pure gold.

>> No.6558667
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6558667

Example:
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/554624/integral-int-0-infty-frac1x-sqrt2-sqrt2-x21-cdot-frac-log-x/564369#564369

> nigga gives correct answer to the integral with no context (only 6+ upboats)
comments:
> Would you please give some idea of how you are getting these answers? – robjohn (18+)
> Your creed is not in keeping with the purpose of this site, which is to help people understand. Your answers amount to numerical results with infinite precision, but offer no explanation or insight. Some people are upvoting your answers, but there are also a decent number of downvotes and flags citing that your answers are not helpful. – robjohn (+18)
> If you are truly as talented as your answers portray, do not waste it one being arrogant and unhelpful. Nobody not even you can benefit from this. – Alizter (+6)

>> No.6558674

>>6558662
I dunno all I'm seeing is that he just gives answers but no proofs. Looks sloppy and lacks rigor.

>> No.6558683

>>6558674
Yeah, that's the thing. He gives answer that just couldn't possibly have found using a CAS like Mathematica or Maple, but that are obviously correct under numerical approximations.
So other people get butthurt and look for a way to find the answer. Then, usually, a week or so after the guy easily derived the solution, there is some guy who posts his own steps.
Always hi-larious.

>> No.6558686

He plugged the integrals into wolframalpha. Great job.

>> No.6558689

>>6558686
Nigga, it's not that easy, stop being stupid.

Try all those integrals in either Maple, or Mathematica or whatever you want. None of them will solve it, even if you try some substitution yourself before you plug it in. That's why it bugs all of them.
Here is an example where that's discussed:
http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/564816/integral-int-0-pi-2-arctan2-left-frac6-sin-x3-cos-2x-rightdx/570815#570815
> I don't mean to be combative, but I am agape at the fact that anyone would upvote Cleo's answers as long as (s)he continues to post results without any clue as to their origin. This is a Mathematics community, not a Computer Output community. Context-less answers like this are not answers but rather comments. – Ron Gordon (13+)
> @RonGordon I do not believe any existing CAS could do this integral. – Vladimir Reshetnikov (14+)

>> No.6558695

>>6558689
Maybe he uses a quantum computer. On quantum computers P=NP and all problems are solved in O(1).

>> No.6558701

>>6558662
>"No self-respecting architect leaves the scaffolding in place after completing the building." — Gauss

10/10

Captcha: tenned

>> No.6558707

>>6558662
>>6558674
>>6558683
>>6558686
>>6558695
>he

>> No.6558715

>>6558701

Problem: Prove the Riemann Zeta hypothesis.
Solution:
It's true.
Q.E.D.


So, where can I pick up my Millennium Prize, motherfuckers?

>> No.6558722

>>6558707
Not OP but it's a safe assumption to make. Having the name "Cleo" doesn't change shit, it's much much more likely statistically speaking that someone this good in Math is a man, not a woman.

>> No.6558727

>>6558707
To add onto >>6558722 , I feel it's quite common to choose a pseudonym of the opposite gender for things such as online accounts. You could argue against this by saying you'd want your stack overflow work to be associated with you as a pseudo add on to your resume, but judging (subjective, but that's all we have) from Cleo's posting styles and structure he/she gives no fucks, and doesn't care what others really think. It just doesn't make sense then why he/she posts the answers, because that asserts he/she cares to a degree?

>> No.6558732

>>6558727

Cares about being right, doesn't care about being useful.

>> No.6558734

>>6558732
So you're saying that Cleo's unsure of the answer being correct or incorrect, and wants to post it so people will say if it's incorrect? Couldn't Cleo just do the numerical approximations him/herself? Or are you saying Cleo wants to be known as right?

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>>6558732
Well, all those people asked for a closed form of the integral, not how to get to the closed form.

>> No.6558737

>>6558734
The latter.

That's why he has: >>6558701
>>"No self-respecting architect leaves the scaffolding in place after completing the building." — Gauss

Gauss was well known for bullshit like that. But in the case of Gauss obviously, his results were highly non-trivial and not just integrals.

>> No.6558738

they've got some fucking gall, getting mad because someone didn't format the way they want the free answer someone spent their free time coming up with

>> No.6558740

>>6558734
The last thing, obviously.

>> No.6558742

>>6558734
Ah, sorry. I meant the latter, I was ambiguous.

I'd call it the House MD Fantasy, where you emulate that character. Namely, being right all the time, while also not giving a shit about your rules, because he's just THAT right that he's earned the social "right" be an asshole.

>> No.6558743

>>6558722
The avatar is of a girl.

>> No.6558747

>>6558743
Yeah, and like most female characters in MMOs, it's a guy.

>> No.6558753

>>6558747
>being this mad that a girl is better at math than you

>> No.6558760

http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/702681/integral-int-01-frac-log1-x-sqrtx-x3dx/703244#703244
>@shobhit.iands I prefer to keep some shadow of mystery around my answers. Your solution is great! – Cleo

>> No.6558780

See, this is creative trolling. Why are we stuck with religion, IQ and solar panels?

>> No.6558788

>>6558753
> being this oblivious to internet culture

>>6558780
Because our trolls just got out of high school, and their creativity doesn't go beyond claiming that evolution is just a theory (a Gauss).

>> No.6558790

>>6558780
>See, this is creative trolling.
It's not creative, but it's smart.

>> No.6558791

>>6558780
>Why are we stuck with religion, IQ and solar panels?

Because none of us can do math.

>> No.6558792

>>6558760
>uses peer reviewed research papers to solve integrals on MathExchange

>> No.6558793

>>6558662
lol seriously though. This is maximum trolling at a genius level.

How the hell does s/he do these integrals?

>> No.6558796

>>6558793
Cleo pls

>> No.6558810

>>6558793
I am curious.

>> No.6558818

>>6558662
>"No self-respecting architect leaves the scaffolding in place after completing the building." — Gauss

ohh ahah mien sides

>> No.6558832

>>6558792
Plebs don't know bout my differential Galois theory.

>> No.6558841

>>6558662
*Tips fedora*

>> No.6558846

obviously very special techniques / a homebrew CAS only for the problems of the particular type (s)he solves

>> No.6558851

>>6558846
>a homebrew CAS
That would take more intelligence and effort than solving them by hand and doing the messy algebraic manipulations using a normal CAS. Even if it's a specialized CAS for specific problems.

>> No.6558875

>>6558722
Actually, mathematics has a lot of women. If this were comp-sci, engineering, or physics then your argument would be legitimate.

https://www.maa.org/external_archive/columns/launchings/launchings_09_09.html

>>6558727
The rest of this argument is just /pol/-tier speculation. Please anon, we're on the science board, at least act like you care about rigor.

>> No.6558909

>>6558875
Your link seems to only be talking about undergraduate majors. But really, someone with an undergraduate math degree isn't a mathematician, chances are they hardly know anything about advanced math and are never going to do any work applying the higher end of their knowledge.

I know personally, as a recent math graduate, of the handful of girls I knew and kept up with who were math majors 2 went on to be teachers, one is going to med school and the fourth had no job but wasn't pursuing higher education.

Now, obviously you don't need to be a genius mathematician with a grad degree to solve really complicated integrals, but a couple of the questions he's answered deal with really advanced mathematics that it's quite unlikely someone with just a bachelor's would be familiar with. And I'm quite confident women are vastly underrepresented in advanced math studies, I literally don't think I've ever seen/met a female math grad student as a TA or anything.

So, I think your source really misses the mark because most female math majors tend to go on to be teachers, it's very rare that they go into advanced math and when they do I'm pretty sure they are almost all asian, not that that really matters to anything except my penis.

>> No.6558921

>>6558875
> undergraduate mathematics
We're talking about non-babby integrals here, not the integral of sec(x).

>> No.6558926

>>6558909
Anon, you say you are a math grad but your argument starts off from personal experience and then makes a big leap out of nowhere into global truths. My university has several female TAs and graduate students as well as lots of female professors in the department. I know however that my own personal experience is not enough to make a global argument.

That link addresses the status quo for much of /sci/ which are undergraduates in math, physics, engineering, and comp-sci. That's the reason I used it. I didn't think the person who made the post was a graduate or even in mathematics from the tone of the post.

>> No.6558927

>>6558715
You're completely missing the joke, it's going right over your head.

The correct version of your post would be-

Problem: Prove or disprove the Riemann hypothesis.
Solution: The following zero is a counterexample disproving the hypothesis:
z = (insert some enormous but elegant expression here, with absolutely no context, and it really is a counterexample and mathematicians throw themselves off bridges trying to figure out how you got it)

>> No.6558937

>>6558926
>Anon, you say you are a math grad but your argument starts off from personal experience and then makes a big leap out of nowhere into global truths. My university has several female TAs and graduate students as well as lots of female professors in the department. I know however that my own personal experience is not enough to make a global argument.
FFS I'm not trying to establish some indisputable law of nature holding true across all cultures and ethnic groups, just an observation that I believe generally to be the case in most US universities.

There are plenty of female undergrad math majors, but a lot of them seem pretty dumb and many do not go on to grad school whereas it seems like many if not most male math majors go on to grad school (admittedly the latter observation might be completely untrue and I only think that because I am). I have also met very few math grad students who were female and dozens who were male, and I've attended two different universities in the US so it's not just a quirk of my own school. Therefore it seems reasonable to believe there are far fewer math grad students who are female than male, and someone with extensive knowledge of advanced math is very likely to be male.

I'm not claiming to know this to be a fact but in the absence of more convincing evidence to the contrary I'm certainly going to believe it to be true and I explained why your link doesn't really provide such evidence.

>> No.6558941

>>6558937

I agree with you. Most the girls I saw in my math classes were getting math education degrees and not going on to graduate school.

>> No.6558945

>>6558941
>math education degree
How does this work?
I recall my professor telling me that you only need to pass the Calculus sequence to teach math at the high school level.

>> No.6558949

>>6558945
Well at my school there is a math BS and BA, BA is intended for dual majors or math educators and you only needed one 4000 level math elective instead of three, there was also a less stringent GPA requirement (2.5 instead of 3.0) and an easier version of the analysis track called "advanced calc for engineers and physical scientists". And there were a couple really easy math electives the education kids would take, for example "functions of a complex variable" basically calc with complex numbers was a 4000 level class for some reason. Then there was a separate education minor that gave you classroom experience and helped you pass your teaching certifications. So it's not really a separate degree, just people taking the much easier BA degree and picking up a minor instead of taking advanced math electives.

Also I took the BA track of advanced calc and somehow managed to get them to give me a BS anyway lol, grad level analysis next year is probably gonna rape me pretty hard.

>> No.6558957

>>6558937
I was only pointing out that you made a leap in logic. I'm not saying that it's unreasonable for you to believe that given your own personal experience but you shouldn't expect everyone else's personal experience to be the same. I haven't seen stats on graduate student math majors. Many of the undergrad stats I have looked at and combine mathematics into the sciences or even the rest of STEM. The emphasis is always
>Women are leaving mathematics, what are we going to do?
Even though the stats themselves don't necessarily support that. Like in the link I posted, the percentage of women in undergraduate math degrees only decreased from 48% to 44%, while staying overall stable (which in my opinion actually sounds like really great numbers).

>>6558945
Every university is different. Mine has a general math program for education people as well as an applied math program for people not going into mathematics later on and a pure math program for people pursuing mathematics further. Stats and other shit aren't considered math and kept in their own separate programs.

>> No.6559006

>all these neckbeards and mouthbreathers with hardons for the smart "grill"

>> No.6559008

>>6558909
>I'm pretty sure they are almost all asian

All real mathematicians are European dumb ass.

>> No.6559016

>>6558949
>Well at my school there is a math BS and BA

This is an utterly meaningless distinction.

But yes, it is more than possible to be a total retard that sucks at math and still get a math major by taking advantage of the fact the major consist mostly of electives. See every tard CS + Math double major.

>> No.6559044

>>6559008
>who is Terrence Tao

Not all of them are European.

>> No.6559060

>>6559008
>Robert Langlands
>Terence Tao
>Grigori Perelman
>Noam Elkies
>Nick Katz
>Barry Mazur
>David Mumford

>european

>> No.6559063

>>6559044
>>6559060

> Michael Atiyah
> European

>> No.6559082

>>6558909
>I literally don't think I've ever seen/met a female math grad student
Then you've never been to a math conference.

>> No.6559101

>>6559044
>implying he isn't secretly German

>> No.6559181

top lel. that made me laugh a lot
thanks op

>> No.6559202

>>6559082
>going to a math conference
rethink your life bro

>> No.6559214

>>6559202
not that anon but conferences are good times. chill with other students, network, learn a thing or two. most of them are subsidised quite a bit so the costs to yourself are minimal.