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>> No.6495591

isnt that the question of the day

>> No.6495594

>>6495587

Decomposition

>> No.6495595

>>6495587
Yes.

What happens after we die?

>> No.6495683

>>6495594

>tfw my family will cremate me

>> No.6495687

>>6495587
You will be gone forever. Every life is a unique instance. The idea that we are too special to die completely is a by-product of high conciousness.

>> No.6495691

>>6495687
>You will be gone forever.
Thank goodness, this is a terrible world.

>> No.6495703

if time is infinite, would it be posible that everything arranges to become how it was after you died, even your body with good quality and keep living, but at other time?

>> No.6495704

the universe stops experiencing this lifetime and i/we continue experiencing other lives

>> No.6495708

>>6495587
Our soul/consciousness leaves our body, we then float in a void, in complete nothingness.

At that point, we will either continue to stay in that void for eternity or decide to reincarnate physicly

>> No.6495709

>>6495703
If it does you won't be remembering anything because you'll be configured anew.

>> No.6495710

>>6495708
Nothingness doesn't exist

>> No.6495713

>>6495710
It was just an analysis from my personal experiences.

Should have used the term "vacuum"

>> No.6495714

>>6495587
Life goes on for the rest of us.

>> No.6495722

>>6495713
>It was just an analysis from my personal experiences.

Tell us more, dalai lama.

>> No.6495723

>>6495722
There's tons of stories you can read about what happens and what you see/feel during an OBE/NDE. My stories arn't unique and they offer us some basis for speculation in this sense

>> No.6495724

>>6495587
The same that happened before you were born. You're fucked.

>> No.6495726

>>6495723
>implying NDE is not just hallucination

Yeah, right.

>> No.6495728

>>6495726
>NDE is just hallucination

How would you explain that scientificly?

>> No.6495729

>>6495724
Will i have to watch my parents fuck each other ?

>> No.6495732

>>6495728
Not >>6495726
1. Understand the brain
2. Study what brain areas are used for what in that persons brain
3. Look what happens when he has an NDE and which parts of the brain are working
4. Based upon that you can see what he thinks he's seeing... of course, this is not possible so far. But that might be the only method to put forth evidence

>> No.6495737

>>6495728
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience#Biological_analysis_and_theories
I had the link to a study on springer explaining it too, but i can't find it. I'll have to search into my browser history.

>> No.6495741

>>6495732
>Study what brain areas are used for what in that persons brain

what?

>Based upon that you can see what he thinks he's seeing... of course, this is not possible so far

Not possible but there are many surveys where people recollect the same experiences. The same "light at the end of the tunnel", recalling of speaking with dead relatives, floating above the operation table and so on.

If we can assume that that NDE's are nothing but OBE's happening with our will, we can use similar studies (http://www.monroeinstitute.org/thehub/scientists-scanned-a-womans-brain-during-an-obe-what-they-found-was-amazing)) to figure out what's going on

They can work well in understanding the phenomenon before a machine allows us to monitor the brain.

>>6495737
I'm in a hurry so i only read parts of it. So far i can say there is no proof the brain releases DMT and that strassman himself recognised he wasn't well familiar with the brain at all. There was that other study about CO2 but it doesn't prove anything conclusive.

If the thread survives when i get back i'd like to continue the conversation on the matter.

>> No.6495745

>>6495741
Since we can recreate them at will without death being involved and studied (in high-G-training)

We can safely rule out after death experiences and we also have zero cases of experiences/memories being made after complete brain death, motha fucking dead!

>> No.6495749

you will be revived eventually. from your perspective you'll have been dead for no time at all, but actually millions-billions of years have passed and the descendants of humans will have revived long dead humans to do combat in gladiatorial arenas for their amusement, as their current culture sees it as more ethical to revive creatures from so long ago than using clones or robots.
trust me on this one

>> No.6495757

>>6495749
^^

Revived from what? :D

>> No.6495758

>>6495729
Nah, they're already fucked.

>> No.6495759

>>6495749
That's scary.

>> No.6495828

>>6495745
>Since we can recreate them at will without death being involved and studied (in high-G-training)


What high G training? haven't found any research on those, so feel free to post any.

>We can safely rule out after death experiences and we also have zero cases of experiences/memories being made after complete brain death, motha fucking dead!

There are studies where people during an OBE can read digit numbers hidden someplace in the room by the observers and when they come back to their body they correctly name all of them. With this in mind we can safely assume that after we die, we still continue to exist non-physicly. Our "soul" therefor is nothing but our consciousness that does not depend entirely on physicality to exist.

>> No.6495832

You wake up and God is like surprise it was all a dream bitch and then you work as a porter in heaven for eternity

>> No.6495857

>>6495749
>revived long dead humans to do combat in gladiatorial arenas for their amusement

They call the current season of the arena battles Earth 2014

>> No.6495880

>>6495828
>There are studies where people during an OBE can read digit numbers hidden someplace in the room by the observers and when they come back to their body they correctly name all of them

And by 'studies' you mean 'bullshit posted on the internet that has never been reproduced in a controlled, experimental fashion', of course.

Unless you are telling us somebody actually won the James Randi paranormal challenge? Thats a million dollars, you know.

>> No.6495884

>>6495828
just read thru this thread, and i can see you are posting unsubstantiated horse shit that really belongs on /x/, not /sci/.

thanks at least for being a tripfag. blocked forever.

>> No.6495891

>>6495880
No, i mean actualy scientific experiments done in labs

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/thehub/out-of-body-experiences-validated-by-scientific-study

this one is the first to pop in my head but i had a link somewhere with several dozens of experiments such as this one.

>Unless you are telling us somebody actually won the James Randi paranormal challenge? Thats a million dollars, you know.

Have you actually seen the money they supposedly promised? ? let alone the the application for the prize?

That is just a way for people to mock anything they don't personally agree with, the money does not exist.

>>6495884
No need to make a show out of it, anon.

Still waiting that source btw

>> No.6495894

>>6495741

>If we can assume that that NDE's are nothing but OBE's happening with our will

That's a pretty big fucking if.

>> No.6495897
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6495897

long as someone is alive, "you" are not dead. but when you (as in individual person) die, you won't be alive again unless this universe happens pretty much exactly the same way again.

I see it like this: because we are here now, we must have been here before because of eternity. if you will live this life again, your free will allows you to make this life as good as you can, an infinite number of times over.

>> No.6495898

>>6495587
Mold

>> No.6495907

>>6495891

> Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research
> lab
> pointed humor indicators

>> No.6495911

>>6495891

Oh, I almost forgot:

> Sample Size = 1
> confirmed

>> No.6495915

>>6495907
>>6495911

Like i said it was the first to pop into my head

Campbell did a series of such experiments too as noted in his book, chapter 10

>We repeated that experiment with similar results. It wasn't a phenomenon that depended on the two of us. Nancy Lea and I shared equally astonishing joint experiences. We tried other things as well. We read three and four digit numbers written on a blackboard next to the control room. Somebody would write a random number and we would read it while our bodies lay asleep. Then they would erase it and write another one, and so on and on

With some quick googleing you can find many others

>> No.6495933

>>6495894
since the experiences felt during the process look alike, its safe to assume they can be the same thing, once being done at our own will while the other happening from a mechanical process, a process we have yet to understand

>> No.6495948

>>6495933

Or they're both pseudoscientific hokum which we have been able to reliably simulate with nothing more than magnets and computers, cf. Blanke, Ehrsson, and others.

Brains are just stupid and produce nonsense, sometimes.

>> No.6495951

>>6495915

"There was a time, years ago, when I was highly skeptical of any paranormal claims of any kind. One of the things that convinced me that there must be something to this is a strange experience that I personally went through. It was wartime. I was at Berkeley, California, and everybody was working overtime....the young lady who was my assistant at the time worked with me until very late this one night. She finally went home; I went home. Then the very next day she came in, all excited....She reported that during this night she had suddenly sat bolt upright in her bed, convinced that something terrible had happened. “I had a terrible sense of foreboding,” she said, but she did not know what had happened. “I immediately swung out of bed and went over to the window and looked outside to see if I could see anything that might have happened like an accident. I was just turning away from the window and suddenly the window shook violently. I couldn’t understand that. I went back to bed, woke up the next morning and listened to the radio.” A munitions ship at Port Chicago had exploded. It literally took Port Chicago off the map. It leveled the entire town and over 300 people were killed....She said she had sensed the moment when all these people were snuffed out in this mighty explosion. How would she have suddenly become terrified, jumped out of bed, gone to the window, and then - from 35 miles away, the shock wave had reached Berkeley and shook the window?"

> Charles Tart - Born 1937
> Chicago Port Explosion - 1944
> Prodigy

>> No.6495960

>>6495951

Er... Port Chicago, that is.

>> No.6495984

>>6495948
That's not enough scientific refutation for me, and only poor excuses to dismiss real phenomenons from biases and belief systems.

>>6495951
and this is what, exactly?

>> No.6496030

>>6495749
This could make for an interesting film.
With the protagonist dying, closing his eyes and then seconds later immediately reawakening as a ghost/revived being in the far future being forced to fight for the amusement of the aristocracy.

>> No.6496042

>>6495984
Ah, yeah, I remembered why one should hide tripfags on sight. Thanks for the reminder, really helpful.

>> No.6496061

>>6496042
>Ask for factual scientifical studies that refute a study as it is considered pseudo-something

>hur dur tripfags

welp, guess we're done here.

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6496134

There are infinite multiverses.

The likelihood of one of those infinite multiverses resembling one of our afterlives therefore approaches 1.

See you in Valhalla.

>> No.6496149

>>6495587
>"What happens after we die?"

Most of us get buried or cremated, depending on our backgrounds.

>> No.6496335

Decomposition and then we'll be turned to oil for some future civilization

>> No.6496361

I don't know, I can't answer, this is where hamlets whole "to be or not to be" soliloquy comes in handy.

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6496377

>>6495587
I think the brain releases DMT than that it.

>> No.6496384

>>6495749
Reading thru deep in thought... lold