>STEM fields becoming STEAM fields How does /sci/ feel about artists becoming just as important as scientists, mathematicians, engineers, and what not?

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Anonymous Fri Apr 11 05:45:56 2014 No.6472094 [Reply] [Original]

>STEM fields becoming STEAM fields

How does /sci/ feel about artists becoming just as important as scientists, mathematicians, engineers, and what not?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 05:47:55 2014 No.6472096 As an artist, I can honestly say that we deploy as much critical thinking as the natural sciences, if not more. It's about damn time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 05:51:25 2014 No.6472098 >>6472096 Agreed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 05:51:55 2014 No.6472100 >artists becoming just as important as scientists, mathematicians, engineers, and what not? Do they?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 05:52:55 2014 No.6472104 >>6472100 what

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:02:13 2014 No.6472111 STEM is about solving problems. Art solves nothing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:03:43 2014 No.6472115 >>6472111 Art is every bit as critical thinking intensive as science is. Art will lead the way for the STEM fields. Art has the imagination and creativity to take STEM to new heights.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:06:43 2014 No.6472119 >>6472115 After so many years in stem I think I snuffed out my creativity. I wish I could still make art. Artists are important because they can bring creativity and subjectivity to science.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:08:13 2014 No.6472121 >>6472115 >>6472119 It pisses me off to no end that people actually think this.

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:16:43 2014 No.6472128

It makes no sense. I am a scientist, but I'm engaged to an artist, live with artists, and have even had my work in one of their exhibitions. I love art, but it is qualitatively different to the STEM fields. Though they are all creative (what academic field isn't?), art is subjective, and STEM fields are (more) objective.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:18:13 2014 No.6472130 This is a joke, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:18:43 2014 No.6472129 >>6472128 Artists are needed for scientific illustrations, ranging from anatomy diagrams in textbooks to conceptual artwork of what other planets are hypothesized to look like based on data scientists have give them. Stuff like that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:19:14 2014 No.6472133 >>6472094 The A just stands for "and", it should really be STEaM.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:20:13 2014 No.6472134 >tfw the cultural marxists will inject "subjectivity" and "equality" into the sciences All part of the plan hehehe

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:24:43 2014 No.6472138 >>6472134 /pol/ pls go

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 06:27:43 2014 No.6472140 >>6472138 Hand rubbing nation wrecker please leave

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 07:11:01 2014 No.6472196 >>6472130 >>6472133 Unfortunately no. Sparkfun is a hobbyists' electronics store and they've been pushing STEAM over STEM with their education campaigns.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 07:23:01 2014 No.6472212 >>6472129 But that isn't science, or should we include sys admins because they also play a role?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 07:30:31 2014 No.6472220 File: 12 KB, 220x180, 1362614672928.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > >AI >.. >art In any case keep up the good work, these threads are pretty good entertainment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 07:51:31 2014 No.6472246 >Sociology >Theology >Education >Music I guess you can add art. You couldn't possible make that group more useless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 08:42:22 2014 No.6472294 >>6472121 I think, and you should too, for your health, that's just trolling. No serious man can seriously think this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 08:43:22 2014 No.6472295 >>6472196 Well, first, Sparkfun is not a great example. Second their mind is in the right place, it was a good deal to improve hobbyist movement, most of the things to come will be retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 08:44:52 2014 No.6472296 >>6472096 I can agree that real artists can do that, but hipsters who act weird to appear artistic are going to become even more fucking annoying

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 08:48:52 2014 No.6472300 >>6472246 this guy knows what's up

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 09:20:52 2014 No.6472317 >>6472246 pls don't shit on teachers I feel utter respect for some of them If my Math teacher in High School wasn't so inspiring, I probably would of gone down some pleb route (like History) Some of them deserve respect certainly not all though

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 09:24:53 2014 No.6472320 >>6472317 Good science teachers are built from the love of science, not from "Education" or "Pedagogy".

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 09:25:22 2014 No.6472323 >>6472246 Here in Brazil some universities have a Carnival course. Could it be added to the list or is it something like "Applied Arts"?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 09:32:52 2014 No.6472334 >>6472096 if you had any critical thinking ability, you'd be able to see that it's hard to accept your statement.

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 09:39:22 2014 No.6472341

>>6472094
I think it's fine. Maybe they should even be more important since we seem to be progressing much faster scientifically than artistically and this will probably lead to our downfall. We need art to inspire cultural and political revolution and stop us from being arseholes to every living thing including each other.

newt !!o+QWj+TypJE Fri Apr 11 09:39:52 2014 No.6472342

>>6472115
no it isn't. art isn't about rigorous logic.

philosophy has some logic, but philosophy student tend to be much worse at logic than maths students or other stem students.

art is about feelings and imprecise, wishy-washy bullshit.

Some humanities can be quite involved and rigorous, like some areas of archaeology and economics, but art itself is not critical thinking intensive.

Most arts students would not be able to solve their way out of a paper bag .

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 09:40:53 2014 No.6472344 >>6472320 this. The best teacher I ever had, the one who inspired me to do shit and who is one of the reasons I managed to get into one of the top unis in the US, had degrees in Chemistry and Physics, not in education

newt !!o+QWj+TypJE Fri Apr 11 09:42:52 2014 No.6472348

Also I love how nobody in this thread has questioned the authority of the OP in claiming that people are starting ot refer to STEM as STEAM

what fanciful nonsense.

the fact remains that an engineering degree from any university has decent job prospects, but the only art degrees with good job prospects are ones from extremely high-ranking and prestigious universities.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 09:45:26 2014 No.6472351 File: 87 KB, 588x437, 1396627770492.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] you best be joking niggers

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 09:47:55 2014 No.6472355

>>6472348
>the fact remains that an engineering degree from any university has decent job prospects, but the only art degrees with good job prospects are ones from extremely high-ranking and prestigious universities.
>implying that has any relevance to the thread
>>6472342
>philosophy student tend to be much worse at logic than maths students or other stem students.
As a math and physics graduate, I disagree. They work on argumentative logic for their entire degree; that's basically what philosophy is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 09:47:55 2014 No.6472356 >>6472096 Is this real life? If bait, I give you 10/10. All my rage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 09:52:55 2014 No.6472359 >>6472096 I'd give you a 1/10, but since your post got such mad response I think it deserves a 6.

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 10:05:55 2014 No.6472366
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>>6472096
You right. You "deploy" that critical thinking all the time, especially when deciding whether to use the word employ or deploy.

Pic related. It's some simple math. It doesn't challenge my mind nearly as much as staring at a Picasso. It's not like any child could do that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 10:38:56 2014 No.6472389 >>6472366 Sit in a high level art class sometime. I mean like 400 block shit. It's not nearly as easy as you make it out to be.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 11:04:30 2014 No.6472417 >>6472094 as long as those artists are going to be closer to realism painters and classical musicians than to justin beaber and all those faggot painters who keep trying to sell me their fucking black sheet of paper with randomly placed dot as ART

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 11:05:00 2014 No.6472421 >>6472094 this is a troll, right? I mean there's no source.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 12:20:47 2014 No.6472502 Art has turned into pretentious nonsense. Pls revert back to french academics 1700s

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 12:41:48 2014 No.6472532 >>6472317 >would of If only your English teachers had been as inspiring.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 12:43:47 2014 No.6472536 File: 49 KB, 740x312, impostor.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >arts in MY STEM? hells to the fuck no

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 14:06:47 2014 No.6472655 File: 281 KB, 1190x877, implying art.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Art majors

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 14:09:17 2014 No.6472658 >>6472655 Kinda just sounds like this guy is mad he went into an art field cuz he liked to draw Tolkien dragons and couldn't into subtext.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 14:18:47 2014 No.6472682 >>6472094 >>6472096 enjoy sitting in the bread lines, filthy untermensch.

>>	Kocoayello !jxaL03vL/Q Fri Apr 11 14:36:00 2014 No.6472706 >>6472096 This. STEAM power ahoy!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 14:42:31 2014 No.6472714 Does anyone else get the impression that STEM majors only know what they study, and generally know fuck all about anything else?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 14:52:00 2014 No.6472721 >>6472714 The biggest reason I double majored was so I could have other people to talk to and be around. No one in my EE program knew or was interested in shit outside of school stuff besides videogames and Joss Whedon.

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 14:58:00 2014 No.6472723

>>6472133
+1 we might as well add all the liberal arts degree too right?

I mean - good looking products aren't a bad thing, but rarely is the first iteration of a product thrown through a heavy design consideration. they have their place, like architects, but... doesn't make sense to put them in stem. it kinda defeats the connection of stem courses - which is science, math, and appication. art is not always an application of those things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:22:18 2014 No.6472827 >>6472294 They aren't serious. But that's what the people pushing STEAM are literally saying.

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:26:35 2014 No.6472831

For the people asking for sources, these are literally the first results on google for "stem to steam"

http://stemtosteam.org/
http://www.risd.edu/about/stem_to_steam/
http://steam-notstem.com/
http://www.edutopia.org/blog/stem-to-steam-strengthens-economy-john-maeda
http://artsedge.kennedy-center.org/educators/how-to/growing-from-stem-to-steam

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:30:05 2014 No.6472834 This doesn't make much sense to me. I always saw these signs when I cut through the art building that said "add A to STEM and you get STEAM!" but I thought it was just something they told themselves, I guess I didn't realize it was a real thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:34:35 2014 No.6472839 We let math in, why not art?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:35:05 2014 No.6472842 >>6472839 Math is the gate and key to the sciences.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:39:35 2014 No.6472853 >>6472839 >imply STE aren't entirely dependent on M

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:42:05 2014 No.6472861 I'm fucking brain dead when it comes to math/chemistry etc. but i can play the shit out of a guitar/keyboard/drum-set, it comes to me with very little effort. What is my value to society?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:44:35 2014 No.6472865 >>6472853 >>6472842 maybe a while ago. not any more. just glorified philosophers now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:48:05 2014 No.6472870 File: 78 KB, 500x639, 1396481138907.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6472865 what's your major then

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:50:35 2014 No.6472872 >>6472842 Are you trying to be artistic on purpose? >>6472853 > implying STEM aren't entirely dependent on language and writing

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:54:05 2014 No.6472877 File: 725 KB, 350x197, abandon thread.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6472094 I feel terrible about it. That's it. Pic related.

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:57:36 2014 No.6472883

>>6472870
I'm a mechanical engineering grad student.
I'm reading up on analysis to get a stronger background for mechanics.
I'm 60 theorems in and still no calculus.
I've had to create a new notebook as this one has more about analysis than mechanics....

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:58:05 2014 No.6472886 >>6472883 >engineer I'm sorry

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 16:59:05 2014 No.6472888 >>6472886 why? I have money and can study your major in my spare time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:01:35 2014 No.6472890 >>6472888 Not to mention all the dicks you can suck ever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:14:36 2014 No.6472906 >>6472883 EE undergrad here. I want to call bullshit on this. Unless you actually want to put in the time to memorize all the equations you'll be using even the simples differential equations are needed to derive them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:16:35 2014 No.6472910 >>6472658 >subtext I lol'd pretty hard. I really did almost get mad, though, 8/10, good job.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:18:05 2014 No.6472915 >>6472906 I'm studying analysis as in real analysis as in I'm reading a pure math text book.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:19:05 2014 No.6472917 >>6472890 do you have problem with dicks?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:20:35 2014 No.6472919 >>6472917 I'm just not as big of a fan of dicks as engineers are.

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:21:35 2014 No.6472921

>>6472831
I am fucking mad as fuck. But thank you for providing a source.

I do feel that there is a very real place for artist-based engineering. Good design is more than just functionality (unfortunately) but the upshot of this won't be that intelligent, diligent artists are groomed to work on innovative products, it will be that hipster trash faggots who take pictures of piss in jars consider themselves in the same league as physicists or engineers.

Eduction is fucking done, man. It's just fucking done. Buy some Dover books and learn in your spare time, universities are fucking trash now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:23:06 2014 No.6472925 >>6472921 Just because the US sucks doesn't mean the rest of the world does.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:26:05 2014 No.6472930 >>6472925 This is a US-based site.

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:27:35 2014 No.6472936

>>6472094
Seems like a silly ploy on the part of arts majors to feel relevant.

As a former art major (turned STEM graduate) I say they should get the hell out and make their own silly little acronym if they want to feel special.

At this point all that's left out is athletics/sports, then every fucking academic field can be included and nobody will be left out, making the whole purpose of the acronym pointless in the first place.

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:31:35 2014 No.6472946

>>6472936
I propose ASSFAGGOT.

Arts, Sociology, Social Justice, Female Studies, Athletics, General Studies, Geography, Operations/Management, and Teaching.

"I'm an artist, so naturally I'm deeply into ASSFAGGOT activities."

"ASSFAGGOT people are leading the way in the fight against female oppression in America"

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:32:05 2014 No.6472953 >>6472946 Epic

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:34:05 2014 No.6472958 File: 40 KB, 404x283, back-to-v.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6472946 I dunno guise...

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:34:05 2014 No.6472959 >>6472946 This must be communicated to the world.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:36:05 2014 No.6472964 >>6472946 Replace teaching with theology.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:37:35 2014 No.6472966 >>6472964 Fantastic idea. I put in Geography and Teaching because I didn't know what else to toss in.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:41:35 2014 No.6472975 >>6472966 Hospitality I guess, but that could probably fall under Management. Also you have Sociology on there, but no Anthropology.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:44:35 2014 No.6472982 >>6472946 you stole that abbreviation from /v/, didn't you?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 17:46:35 2014 No.6472985 >>6472982 No, not really. I usually hang around /tg/, /a/, and /pol/. I rarely go to /sci/ because for the longest time, all it had were DO MY HOMEWORK, CHECKMATE ATHEISTS, and HOMEOPATHY/ASTROLOGY/BULLSHIT IS SCIENCE threads.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:00:35 2014 No.6473015 >>6472985 >all it had were DO MY HOMEWORK, CHECKMATE ATHEISTS, and HOMEOPATHY/ASTROLOGY/BULLSHIT IS SCIENCE threads. You mean it doesn't now?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:03:35 2014 No.6473019 >>6473015 Not to the same degree.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:08:35 2014 No.6473029 >>6472915 sounds oddly interesting. I bet it isn't; though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:10:05 2014 No.6473032 >yfw people actually exist on this planet who think art is as intellectually stimulating as science

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:13:05 2014 No.6473036 >>6473032 Not only that but they're common.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:14:36 2014 No.6473037 >>6473019 Could've fooled me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:15:35 2014 No.6473039 >>6473037 It was 100% of threads. Now I see that there exist some threads which are not those. Then again, I've only been looking at /sci/ for a few hours between the past two days.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:19:35 2014 No.6473047 >>6473029 It's weird. I don't usually stay with mathematics texts very long. While studying analysis I've gone Rudin->Spivak->Apostol->Landau->Apostol. I keep hitting roadblocks that I find completely boring in one book and interesting in another.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:31:35 2014 No.6473059 >>6472094 What the fuck are you talking about? I've never seen a fucking artist solving fluid equations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:32:05 2014 No.6473064 >>6473059 Pfft. Artists are creative minded and develop a different skill set of critical thinking and analysis that is just as valuable, if not more, than the scientific skill set.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:35:35 2014 No.6473066 >>6473064 Ok then, say your in an isolated with no tools island and you had to chooses 5 people, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CHOOSE A FUCKING ARTIST? I would a chemist, microbiologist, geologist, civil and mechanical engineers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:35:35 2014 No.6473067 >>6472096 9/10 A Troll among mere goblins.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:37:36 2014 No.6473073 >>6473066 Architecht, carpenter, stone mason, farmers, and maybe a doctor. Only one science, 3 art majors. Suck it scientist, we're more practical than you are.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:40:59 2014 No.6473080 >>6473073 Those are trades, not strictly art.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:41:29 2014 No.6473084 >>6473080 Define art.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:42:29 2014 No.6473086 >>6473073 Without scientists those fields go nowhere

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:42:29 2014 No.6473087 >>6473073 Its true craft is the only kind of ''art'' that is practical.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:43:29 2014 No.6473090 >>6473073 still less employable >carpenter, stone mason these are trades. architect too, 99% of the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:44:29 2014 No.6473092 >>6473086 They still beat the piss out of a clever scientist on a deserted island. Face it you "smart" motherfuckers, on an island, you'd be as dead as one of us "dumb" artists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:44:59 2014 No.6473093 >>6473084 Creative expression distributed through some medium such that it can be experienced by others

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:45:59 2014 No.6473095 >>6473093 >must be distributed through a medium >such that it can be experienced Way, way too fucking limited. Are you scientists even fucking trying?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:49:59 2014 No.6473100 >>6472094 Change to Artisan and you're good

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:51:59 2014 No.6473103 >>6472536 >Linguistics taking longer than a minute Why are posting XKCD anyway?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:56:29 2014 No.6473106 >>6473066 >chemist, microbiologist, geologist, civil and mechanical engineers >no tools >choosing people that rely heavily on having access to high technology, difficult to obtain/make raw materials, or extremely sophisticated tools

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:56:59 2014 No.6473107 >>6473064 no, it's not different fucking idiot

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 18:58:59 2014 No.6473113 >>6473107 >close mindedness Typical STEM major. Don't worry, not all of us in the STEAM paradigm will be as close minded as you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 19:02:29 2014 No.6473120 >>6472096 >we deploy as much critical thinking as the natural sciences Maybe with bio majors, but the same can't be said for one who studying physics or mathematics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 19:06:29 2014 No.6473127 >>6472094 >not endeavoring towards both science and art what the HECK are you guys doing

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 19:07:59 2014 No.6473130 >>6473127 >HECK Get the fuck out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 19:14:29 2014 No.6473142 >>6473130 What the heck has you so darn riled up?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 19:15:59 2014 No.6473144 >>6473142 Your fucking retard shit you shit fuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 19:20:59 2014 No.6473151 I started out in the arts as a kid, then realized how useless they are (thank you, Oscar Wilde) and now I'm meeting art and science halfway by way of industrial design. Better late than never.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 19:21:29 2014 No.6473153 >>6473144 u mad?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 19:29:59 2014 No.6473162 >>6473120 what about social and/or political "science"?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 19:45:59 2014 No.6473186 >>6472094 If you're not in an important major like chemical engineering, you're useless. Simple as that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 19:50:29 2014 No.6473192 >>6473186 >chemical engineering >important The education is alright and the work is terrible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 20:01:04 2014 No.6473202 >>6472883 >engineer >needs a notebook to learn math

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 20:35:34 2014 No.6473249
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>Arkansas School for Mathematics and Sciences
>a year or two after I graduate, it's renamed the Arkansas School for Mathematics, Sciences, and the Arts
>school now has a student group for bronys

Why must artfags ruin everything?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 22:40:41 2014 No.6473385 >>6473153 Can't take a joke?

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:04:42 2014 No.6473420

I was just watching Cosmos. That show would be so much shittier without all the artists that work on the show. The conceptual art is actually my favorite part. I'm not saying artists are similar to scientists in any way. But I think artists can take novel approaches to teaching people about science.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:09:42 2014 No.6473427 >>6472355 >As a math and physics graduate, I disagree. They work on argumentative logic for their entire degree; that's basically what philosophy is We STEMP now

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:16:41 2014 No.6473438 >>6473427 *steamp

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:19:11 2014 No.6473446

>>6472094
pissed off (pic related)

>>6472115
Engineer here, we have engineered methods for increasing our creativity to solve problems.

Oh and guess what? We have evidence that they are effective in doing so. Does art have any hard statistical data that it can do so?

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Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:23:17 2014 No.6473455

With the rise of automation, creative fields will become of the very few left. But don't get excited, you'll still be worked like cattle, designing cosmetics for the next DotA game for less than 50k, while scientists and engineers are making six figures.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:28:17 2014 No.6473467 File: 729 KB, 2400x1378, watson2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6473455 now who says that creativity can't be automated?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:36:17 2014 No.6473478 >>6473467 Anyone who knows how Watson works?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:37:17 2014 No.6473480 >>6472246 >Education Ungrateful bastard. They may have an easier job/major than you do, but in absolutely no way does that make them useless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:38:47 2014 No.6473481 >>6473467 was that picture supposed to make a point or something?

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:41:17 2014 No.6473490

>>6472320
Yeah but elementary/middle school teachers, who are basically in charge of teaching their students how to be inquisitive, almost always major in education. The ones who don't usually end up becoming high school teachers instead of elementary/middle school.

Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:44:17 2014 No.6473496

>>6472317
People with education degrees are completely useless. The best teachers i ever had were people who worked in the field and retired.

My high school physics teacher was a physicist at the Fermi lab particle accelerator. I had a chem teacher who was a chemical engineer at 3M.

My math teacher was an education major and was retarded. Our physics and chem teachers wound up teaching use more math than our useless math teachers.

None of them knew past the math they were teaching. It was pathetic.

We need to get rid of useless education degrees. We should rely more on people from the industry.

Get journalists and authors to teach english and writing. Engineers and chemists to teach the sciences. Get veterans and museum curators to teach history and tell people what actually happened.

I would pay top dollar for my children to go to school compromised entirely of people with real industry experience in the subjects they were teaching.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:46:17 2014 No.6473500 So it would stand to reason that a Philosophy major would make for the best kind of Philosophy teacher, correct?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 11 23:50:48 2014 No.6473506 >>6473496 pretty much

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 12 00:09:17 2014 No.6473536 >>6473420 Doesn't mean Arts needs to be lumped in with STEM for the sake of making them feel special.

Anonymous Sat Apr 12 00:11:17 2014 No.6473539

>>6472094

being on the cutting edge of technology, I can see the abgrund. natural sciences will become relatively irrelevand and engineers aggregated in, or outsourced to toolsets. The only thing left in the industry will be designers, the interface between technology and mankind. that means that nothing will be sustainable in large quantities. beyond the arts, except perhaps mathematics, once and if its importance is realized.

But I think it's a little to soon to invest that heavily into that stage of the future. Or maybe not. We've been transitioning for a while now, and perhaps this is the first stone in the last stage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 12 00:11:17 2014 No.6473540 >>6473496 Completely agreed.

Anonymous Sat Apr 12 17:19:26 2014 No.6474791

>>6472094
the A stands for actuaries right? I don't see how your argument works. Though artists may be needed to illustrate ideas inside STEM fields, they're not the ones doing the critical thinking for those ideas. The fundamental level of knowledge one needs to proclaim themselves to be an artist is well below the fundamental amount of knowledge one needs to be a mathematician engineer or scientist. I'm fairly sure on average, artists are paid much lower salaries with their endeavors having minor to no practical applications other than aesthetics.

Anonymous Sat Apr 12 18:42:57 2014 No.6474879
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the GOOD scientists, mathematicians, engineers, artists, musicians are GOOD are what they do and have CREATIVE MINDS

the problem with you fuccbois is you think that you think memorizing equations from your physics textbook and memorizing the first 15 decimals of pi makes you intelligent

Anonymous Sat Apr 12 19:04:26 2014 No.6474910

>>6473480
Are you kidding? A degree in Education is a negative predictor of teaching ability.

This field is so ridiculously incompetent that training in it makes people worse at doing the task they're studying.

Faculties of Education taking general credit for education in society is like religions taking credit for ethical behavior in society.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 12 23:44:30 2014 No.6475457 >>6473446 >methods Please tell me them.

Anonymous Sat Apr 12 23:47:29 2014 No.6475461

>>6474910
They're a big lobby and there are bound to be a lot of them on /sci/ be prepared to be enraged.

You're just a guy making an arguement (that happens to be true). They on the other hand are fighting for their livelihoods. If teaching goes the way of the dinosaur (online education is far better if not as good as tutoring by PhDs) they're screwed. Thus, they'll be vicious.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 12 23:52:29 2014 No.6475469 >>6473496 I dislike this opinion very much. On a unrelated note, Education majors are not supposed to become teachers, though it's a common misunderstanding. It's like putting a philosopher of science to do lab work. That's not things are meant to be.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 12 23:55:59 2014 No.6475477 File: 42 KB, 242x251, guaranteed_replies.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6472096 >file name related

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 00:00:29 2014 No.6475484

>>6475469
Enlighten all of us here on what the purpose of an education degree is then. What is the utilitarian purpose of an education degree if its not to become an educator?

Because if it isn't then 95%+ of all education majors are doing it for the wrong reasons.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 00:21:51 2014 No.6475514

>>6475469
>It's like putting a philosopher of science to do lab work. That's not things are meant to be.

A person has no business philosophizing about science if they aren't a scientist. What frame of reference do they have if they have no practical skills or experience with the scientific method?

Are you one of those ivory tower types who thinks university should be about growing as a person, writing academic papers with no real world impact, and learning just so you can jack off about how large your brain is?

If you are, you are everything wrong with the college system.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 00:26:51 2014 No.6475520

>>6475514
>A person has no business philosophizing about science if they aren't a scientist.
I agree with this.

>ivory tower types who thinks university should be about growing as a person, writing academic papers with no real world impact, and learning
What? Who cares if you go to college solely to learn? What the fuck is wrong with that?

I'm not the guy you're responding to, but still. Explain your argument.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 00:28:21 2014 No.6475522 >>6475514 >physicists shouldn't tell engineers what they can and can't do if they don't do engineering this is what you sound like

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 00:35:21 2014 No.6475532 >tfw I enjoy science, philosophy and poetry equally I don't see why fine arts and humanities need research institution though.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 00:35:52 2014 No.6475531

>>6475520
Most people don't have billionaire parents or spouses. This means they have to work for a living and the seemingly small difference in salary between 50k for a teacher and 250k for a high level engineer are significant.

Therefore encouraging people without billionaire spouses/parents to go into these less lucrative fields can majorly fuck up their lives.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 00:39:51 2014 No.6475539

>>6475522
>physicists shouldn't tell engineers what they can and can't do if they don't do engineering

how retarded are you. that is a true statement. An electrical engineer cannot tell a civil engineer how to build a bridge. In the united states its actually illegal and you will lose your license. A physicist cannot tell a mechanical engineer how to make an engine safe. Again that is also illegal and will get you fired.

Do you even think before you post?

>>6475520
I don't have problems with individuals specifically going to college just to learn. But people who think everyone should go only to learn and "become a more rounded individual" instead of going to learn to make a living are retarded. When only nobles got an education sure, go to learn. Once higher education became for normal people, its time to shift the paradigm away from the elite class looking down on people going for practical reasons, and make it more about creating people who will be proficient in their fields in real world applications.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 00:45:51 2014 No.6475541

>>6475539
>its time to shift the paradigm away from the elite class looking down on people going for practical reasons, and make it more about creating people who will be proficient in their fields in real world applications.

This exactly.

Im going to be a civil engineer. How does making me take humanities classes make me a better engineer? How does it let me build safer structures? The only argument i have heard for this is:

>it makes you a better person

Sorry folks, i dont want to be a better person; I want to be a better engineer. The entire concept of "gen eds" is insulting. General education ended in high school. I don't need more of it in college. That old world mode of thinking is what is keeping gen eds around.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 00:48:21 2014 No.6475544

>>6475541
Academia cannot be reformed from within.

Online education seems to be pretty good. Hell, one of the reasons computer science seems to have been such a great field/ driving the technology sector is because you could completely bypass the education establishment (dropping out of college) and do well in it.

How this can be done for other fields, I have no idea. Medicine, Law, etc. are probably doomed. A lot of other fields like say accounting, or electrical engineering will probably require a change in employer's behavior.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 00:52:21 2014 No.6475551 >>6472096 Music composition requires much more critical thinking than art and even has a lot of creativity involved to boot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 01:27:10 2014 No.6475634 >>6472094 when scientific inquiry first began, it was seen as an artistic pursuit, the understanding of the nature of life. it was a combination of the study of physics, philosophy and humanity, which is pretty fucking artistic

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 01:43:10 2014 No.6475675 >>6475634 And then people started to form an actual set of rules about how to rigorously investigate the natural world. Now it's science, not art.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 01:56:10 2014 No.6475697

>>6475539
>Once higher education became for normal people, its time to shift the paradigm away from the elite class looking down on people going for practical reasons
Ok, sure. I think that both "pure" and "applied" science are important for intellectual and scientific progress.

>make it more about creating people who will be proficient in their fields in real world applications.
Nope. It should be balanced between "pure and theoretical" science and "applied to the real world" science.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 01:59:10 2014 No.6475700

>>6475697
Dude, that's an elitist perspective. Some people actually want to you know, have kids and a family a nice house and a place to eat.

Currently, working at Stanford/Columbia/Harvard (i.e. places with incredibly expensive real estate) as a theoretical physicist or astrobiologist will not let you do those things unless your last name is Rothschild.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:01:10 2014 No.6475702

>>6475697
>Nope. It should be balanced between "pure and theoretical" science and "applied to the real world" science.

That's obvious. Learning the whys behind physics will make you better in real world applications. It gives you a deeper understanding. Same with mathematics.

Im talking about making an engineer take psychology classes or making an english major take chemistry. Its a waste of my time and a waste of my money.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:10:10 2014 No.6475712 >>6475700 Well, that's why I said there should be a balance. Not everyone should be a theoretical physicist, and not everyone should be an engineer. It should be 50-50.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:12:10 2014 No.6475716

>>6475702
>Im talking about making an engineer take psychology classes or making an english major take chemistry. Its a waste of my time and a waste of my money.
Well, the point of doing this is to make sure that the average citizen has a basic familiarity with a wide range of intellectual fields.
Why shouldn't scientists know some basics of literature, and why shouldn't english majors know some basics of science and math?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:12:40 2014 No.6475717 >>6475712 There's not enough money in theoretial physics to make it 50-50.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:13:11 2014 No.6475718 >>6475717 >There's not enough money in theoretial physics to make it 50-50. And therein lies the problem. I'm talking about what would be the ideal situation, which is obviously not easy to obtain.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:14:11 2014 No.6475719

>>6475716
Because that's what high school is for. Lots of engineers already know basic english/ have been exposed to all that already. They're there to get their degree so they can make money and not starve.

I know this is hard for you to grasp Phd. Rothschild, but that's just the way it is.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:15:10 2014 No.6475721

>>6475712
im this guy

>>6475702

You missed the entire point of my post. I don't care if you are going to be a theoretical physicist, journalist, engineer, author, or a basket weaver. Im saying that your education shouldn't have extra fluff.

It should help you become the best basket weaver you can. Taking subjects that don't help you become a better basket weaver are a waste of time and money.

>>6475716
>Why shouldn't scientists know some basics of literature, and why shouldn't english majors know some basics of science and math?

If you read any of the other responses you would already know. That is highschool's job. Everyone in highschool has english classes, chemistry, math, art, physics.

And i already said Im not going to college to become a better person. how does reading greek mythology help me in anyway if im not a literature major?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:17:10 2014 No.6475724 >>6475721 >im this guy: >>6475712 No, you're fucking not. I'm that guy. Don't pretend to be me, asshole.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:18:44 2014 No.6475726 >>6475724 when i said im this guy i was refering to this post >>6475702 dumb ass

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:19:43 2014 No.6475727

>>6475721
>That is highschool's job. Everyone in highschool has english classes, chemistry, math, art, physics.
And I would be fine with this, if high school actually did a good job of teaching people this. But it just isn't enough.

All I'm saying is, scientists should know the basics of things like Marxism vs. capitalism, and english majors should know the basics of Newtonian mechanics, or at least the epistemological principles of science.
It's about being intellectually well-rounded.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:21:43 2014 No.6475728

>>6475726
>>6475724
HAHAHAHA

You see two quoted posts, one person says he is one of the quotes but you assume he is talking about your post instead of the other post you already know is not yours.

classic

>>6475727
How many times do people need to say this. You don't go to college to become well rounded. You go so you can earn a living. How dense can you be?

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:22:13 2014 No.6475731

>>6475727
Okay, now I don't know if you're a Rothschild or the head of a Sociology department. Maybe both?

Either way, again they're trying to make money. I know the Sociology departments need funding and it helps to force undergrad engineers to take their classes. But the engineers/accountants/etc. don't want to spend unnecessary time and energy on these pursuits just so you can brainwash them how you like.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:24:13 2014 No.6475733

>>6475728
>You go so you can earn a living. How dense can you be?

Yes, and I already explained that this is not what it SHOULD be for. How dense can you be?

Please respond to my argument that citizens should be intellectually well-rounded in order for a society to function, instead of making ad-hominem attacks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:27:43 2014 No.6475736 >>6475726 Ok, my bad. Next time, put the post that is "yours" next to your statement that it is yours, instead of doing this: >>someone else's post This is my post. >>my post

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:30:44 2014 No.6475738

>>6475733
And we already explained WAYYYY back here that argument comes from a position of elitism and is how college worked back when only rich people went back in this post

>>6475539

College should not be high school 2.0

Don't ruin college because high school isn't doing its job. Fix high school. Fix what is broken, don't break something else instead. Your definition of what's well rounded is arbitrary.

And ill call you a dense, mouth breathing, retard all i want because i can and it's true

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:33:13 2014 No.6475741

>>6475738
I still want to know if he's a Rothschild (or otherwise was born with a networth over 50 million) or chair of a Sociology department.

Anyways, you're wrong. College is broken and beyond repair. It shouldn't be fixed. Instead Online Accredidation (with some testing/auditing and work experience) should take it's place.

Unfortunately, I don't see how to get this working for fields such as Medicine and Law as the accrediation process is totally fucked up and dominated by Champagne Socialists/ people who don't want others to enter the profession in the first place.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:33:43 2014 No.6475740

>>6475738
>Don't ruin college because high school isn't doing its job. Fix high school.
Ok, that makes sense.

You still haven't explained why having not well-rounded people in a society is better than having more well-rounded people.

>And ill call you a dense, mouth breathing, retard all i want because i can and it's true
good rebuttal bro

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:35:44 2014 No.6475743 >>6475740 Why do I get the feeling "well-rounded" means "indoctrinated in Marxism"?

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:43:00 2014 No.6475746

>>6475740
>You still haven't explained why having not well-rounded people in a society is better than having more well-rounded people.

Because the phrase well rounded doesn't mean anything. Define what well rounded means and then i may considered telling you my answer. But the gist of it is, knowing greek myths does not make me a better person, listening to poems does not make me a better person, knowing the history of ancient japan does not make me a better person.

Ill tell you what does enable me to be "better". Providing for people i care about. Not worrying if i can pay rent. Knowing ill be able to afford food. Not having to work manual labor and ruin my body. All of your bull shit well roundedness doesn't help me with any of that.

Faggot

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:51:30 2014 No.6475753

>>6475746
>Define "well-rounded"
For fuck's sake: well-rounded means that people have a basic familiarity with a wide range of intellectual subjects.

This is better for intellectual discourse, and it makes people better citizens, who then make better decisions for the society.

The only society in which being well-rounded doesn't matter is a totalitarian, Marxist state.

People like you are the reason we don't have more Feynmans and Einsteins, because all you want is to extract as much from your education as you can for your own personal satisfaction, instead of actually contributing.
>Faggot
If you're going to act like a child, then I'm done, good night. Maybe you will change your mind later.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:52:00 2014 No.6475754 >>6475753 fag

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 02:58:30 2014 No.6475759 >>6475753 How can there be an Einstein if they're worried about food and shelter? I only actually see people who are already very rich being able to pursue fields like poetry, lit, theoretical physics, etc.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 03:04:30 2014 No.6475765

>>6475753
confirmed for being a rich faggot who had everything handed to them. Maybe if you didn't have mommy and daddy's money you would actually need to go to school so you could afford to live like 80% of the rest of the population. Hell most of them can't even afford to go let alone afford to become "well rounded".

This isn't your perfect fantasy land where people have the luxury to go to school for the hell of it. This is the world where if you don't eat you die. You don't have a place to stay you freeze. You can talk about your fantasy land where we are concerned about informed citezens and well roundedness all you want. But most of us don't live in that world.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 03:04:30 2014 No.6475766
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I'm a Mechanical Engineering major, and I have no beef with art or artists. I wouldn't say they're less important. Sure, there's shitty "art" that does nothing to convey beauty, but there's also shitty engineering that does nothing to save lives, improve quality of life, or advance knowledge. I don't think STEM will become STEAM, though, not because art is unimportant, but because the STEM moniker reflects a group of fields of study with far greater economic potential than art does. STEM will continue to be important because it makes money. Art doesn't in the same way; at least not as reliably, and people care about money. For most, far more than they should, but it is what it is.

Good on you, Artbros. I wish you all the best, but I don't think your field will ever be classified with the STEM group.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 03:07:30 2014 No.6475771

>>6475765
Dude, it's more like 99.9% of the population. I'm from the top 1% myself and even I (and most 1%ers) have to make our own living.

The top 1% is defined as having a networth of more than 8 million.

Now for a family to support this and be this disconnected you'd need to be able to completely support yourself and all your children for certain.

I estimate that that would require a networth around $50 million. Which is more like the top 0.1%

However, the other option is this person works for a sociology department and so their livelihood directly depends on getting students to take sociology classes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 03:13:31 2014 No.6475775 >>6475771 so neil degrasse tyson must be starving in the streets right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 03:15:30 2014 No.6475778 >>6475775 Nope but he makes his money through entertainment, not academia.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 13 13:40:08 2014 No.6476608 >>6475469 wait what? Why would someone get an education degree and not be a teacher? Why get an education degree then? I know others have asked but it seems you haven't answered this question.

Anonymous Sun Apr 13 18:40:00 2014 No.6477206

>>6475484
>>6476608
>>6476608
Things education majors are supposed to learn: psychology of learning, sociology of education and philosophy of education.

The purpose is Education degrees is to create people whose single purpose is to think how education and leaning works, not to do that work themselves. They're not meant to be teachers, but rather headmasters. Either that or get a tenured position and publish a couple of papers per year until they die.

>A person has no business philosophizing about science if they aren't a scientist
What you're saying is: engineers have no business projecting cars if they didn't assemble one.

While it is true that by being detached from their subject, academics will always have to deal with some informational loss, that isn't a really problem, as we're talking about different skillsets. Engineers are not technicians, and they're not supposed to do the same work.

But if you want to be pissed about the actual theories, feel free to do so! Popper gets plenty of flak from actual scientists and philosophy of education is pretty much a field for intellectual warfare.

>>	Carbon Mon Apr 14 14:27:06 2014 No.6478630 >>6472246 I actually consider Educating an actual skill. Or are you going to shit on every professor and teacher that actually attempt to make their material digestible?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:40:36 2014 No.6478651 i don't have anything against artists but it makes no sense to group them with scientists, mathematicians etc. art is pretty much the polar opposite of STEM

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:45:36 2014 No.6478660 >>6473066 Why would you choose the engineer? >

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:46:36 2014 No.6478661 >>6473496 This, how many jobless science phds/masters students are there. Replace public school teachers with people who actually know the shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:49:36 2014 No.6478668 >>6475716 >Well, the point of doing this is to make sure that the average citizen has a basic familiarity with a wide range of intellectual fields. Isn't that why highschool exist? The fuck do I have to take spanish once more?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 15:06:38 2014 No.6478705 STEM = objective arts = subjective makes no sense to classify them together

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 16:18:06 2014 No.6478829 >>6478705 Art isn't subjective. That's a common misconception perpetuated by philosofags. Aesthetics is very well amenable to the scientific method. We can objectively research what makes art aesthetic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 16:21:06 2014 No.6478840 >>6478829 You will get far in life if you drop meaningless intensifiers like "objective".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 16:23:07 2014 No.6478844 >>6478840 I don't need your advice. I already got far in life.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 20:28:16 2014 No.6479329

>>6475514

I always wondered about how someone can study the impacts of science on society, but have no actual idea what science is. At my university, there is a whole department of "technology and society". I'm not doubting the intent of this field, but I'm pretty sure the people in here don't know about newtons laws of gravitation, any calculus, the laws of thermodynamics...etc.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 20:33:45 2014 No.6479336

I would agree to this if you made all those fucking art majors take calculus 1 or general chemistry or basic intro mechanics. Make them do our fucking easiest fucking courses, no more "rocks for jocks", "scopes for dopes", "physics for non stem majors" courses.

As it is, STEM majors have to do all their bullshit, but rarely do they have to learn even the basics of any of our fields.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 20:34:15 2014 No.6479342 >>6475766 Basically what I was about to say except for the mechanical engineering part

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 20:48:45 2014 No.6479359 screams cashgrab by arts departments tbh

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 21:16:45 2014 No.6479390

It's not a matter of "just as important". The importances of the aesthetic and the practical arts are orthogonal and incomparable.

There are good reasons to lump science, technology, engineering, and math together, and they don't apply to including art among them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 21:42:45 2014 No.6479459 >>6473092 >On a deserted island. >Not wanting someone knowledgeable about fungi and which mushrooms are poisoned. Seems smart.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:13:26 2014 No.6480231 >>6475766 >>6479342 >Good on you, Artbros. I wish you all the best, but I don't think your field will ever be classified with the STEM group. But this thread is all about that. And it is happening. Just look at >>6472831

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:24:55 2014 No.6480281 >>6472119 but imagination is the most important part of science anonymous. You see something that you cant explain, you think up a possible explanation with your imagination, then you test your idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 03:45:15 2014 No.6480343 >>6472094 I don't care anymore. After STE got added the whole thing kind of lost its point. Anyone else think we mathfags should secede.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 04:22:45 2014 No.6480403

>>6472366
Having an innate and intuitive, personal and discovered sense of lighting not only within a piece of art itself, but also how the color is going to be interpreted by the viewers eye, especially considering where the piece of art is going to be displayed-and how, is an extremely complicated process.

That's just a nutshell overview of lighting. Not to say anything about actual subject matter being painted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 04:26:15 2014 No.6480406 >>6472946 WINNER!

>>	Carbon Tue Apr 15 05:52:36 2014 No.6480454 >>6472094 Well we already let the code monkeys in CS who can't do a simple fizz buzz into STEM. Why not let the artist in too? I see no real difference in scientific ability

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 06:10:24 2014 No.6480461 >>6478829 >Art isn't subjective it absolutely is. what is the purpose of art?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 06:20:24 2014 No.6480462 >>6472831 fuck this makes me mad stupid artfags wanting to feel relevant

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 07:36:24 2014 No.6480537 >>6473249 >Why must artfags ruin everything? This is a really good question. Why do school try to cram as many types of subjects as possible, instead of specializing their faculties in either Humanities or STEM?

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