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6451919 No.6451919 [Reply] [Original]

How is it possible for a so called 'objective' school of thought to be so biased and ignorant of a world wide phenomena?

>> No.6451940

>>6451919

Science is not ignorant of psychotic delusions.

>> No.6451945

>>6451940
It is ignorant of the evidence.

There is no belief factor with UFOs. They've been here. They've been documented, photographed, filmed and more.

Ignoring all the witness testimonies, from commercial airline pilots to group sitings with many witnesses, is absolute ignorance.

>> No.6451946

>>6451940
/thread

>> No.6451950

I'm still trying to find an answer.


That being said, this isnt science. More like history,

>> No.6451953

>>6451950
True, but still a scientific investigation into how they work would be beneficial. Especially considering they defy our current views of physics.

>> No.6451954

>>6451945
Hurr durr, you're crazy beacuse pppffttttttt....

>> No.6451957

>>6451953
This is as relevant to science as the Ukriane crisis. You could try to go to /pol/ but this is one consipiracy they won't consider beacuse Jews aren't involved.

>> No.6451959

>>6451957
>advanced technology beyond human capability seen around the world is not relevant to science

>> No.6451960

>>6451945
>They've been documented, photographed, filmed and more.
but none of them have been definitively shown to be alien. You say science is biased and ignorant of "a" world wide phenomen[on]. I say you are biased and ignorant of many different world wide (and terrestrial) phenomena.

>> No.6451969

>>6451959
You can rove them using science since your theories go against them being here.

>> No.6451970

>>6451960
I never once mentioned aliens.

>> No.6451983

>>6451970
"a [phenomenon]" was close enough. These things you say are documented and reported have been show over and over again to be one of many different terrestrial phenomena. No one denies that there is something in the sky, but those with knowledge about uncommon natural occurrences deny that they are anything other than a natural occurrence.

>> No.6451992

>>6451983
That's almost as bad as the hallucination argument.

You could do better.

>> No.6451998

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Hill

Unconventional Flying Objects

>> No.6452001

>>6451992
please go back to /x/. There are many natural things that people mistake for UFOs. Most are neither unidentified nor flying and none are alien.

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>>6452001

>> No.6452015

>>6451919
because we don't want you to know the truth untill you reach level 6.5

>> No.6452025

>>6451919

We're never going to agree because we have different criteria for evidence. For you, photos and normal people's testimony is good enough to assume some lights and objects in the sky are evidence that aliens are visiting Earth. For science, that's not enough. Photos can be faked, people can be fooled, people can be mistaken, objects in the sky can be celestial objects or human aircraft. That's why there needs to be more than photos or videos and some person going "But I swear what I saw was real." Pilots are no more experts in objects in the sky than anyone else, despite how counter-intuitive that sounds. The percentage of UFO sightings among people who's job it is to study the sky is not more than the general public, it's less.

So until you can produce some real physical evidence, we can't agree with you on your claims.

>> No.6452035

>>6452025
Have you ever heard of the RB 47 case?

What about things like radiation detection, damage to people such as paralysis or indications of burns, landing sites, etc that sort of thing. Would that be accepted as evidence?

>inb4 no

>> No.6452040

>>6452035

Can you prove that those things could only be caused by aliens visiting Earth?

>> No.6452043

>>6452040
You are the only one mentioning aliens my friend.

I have not mentioned aliens at all in this thread. I used the terminology UFO, that is all.

>> No.6452045

>bright orbs fly over major city in triangular formations
>witnessed by thousands, hundreds of recordings
fake!

>videos uploaded daily on youtube showing orbs defying gravity
>all goes under the radar and receives no attention because theyre so common
all fake!

>governments all around the world, many european countries disclose their info on ufos
all are lying!

>millions of people around the world see them for thousands of years
all are delusional!

>> No.6452051

>>6452043

UFO means Unidentified Flying Object. Any object that flies that cannot be readily identified is a UFO. People see things in the sky they can't identify all over the world? That's not really surprising.

So if you don't think they're aliens, and you're just trying to talk about whether or not UFO's exist, they do. Nobody denies there are things in the sky that some people can't identify. No government, no group of scientists, no internet image board.

Of course we both know what you mean by UFO and you're just trying to weasel out of accountability.

>> No.6452052

>>6452045
list of countries that disclosed info regarding ufos
1. Argentina
2. Australia
3. Brazil
4. Canada
5. Chile
6. China
7. Denmark
8. Finland
9. France
10. Germany
11. India
12. Ireland
13. Japan
14. Mexico
15. New Zealand (Additional Report)
16. Peru
17. Russia
18. Spain
19. Sweden
20. Ukraine (not in English)
21. United Nations
22. United Kingdom
23. Uruguay
24. Vatican City

http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2011/01/list-of-countries-that-have-disclosed.html

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6452078

>>6452052
fake as shit 0/10

>> No.6452087

>>6452078
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Government-A-Historical-Inquiry/dp/1933665580

>> No.6452106

>>6452051
Here we have the crux of the issue.

UFO believers all seem to forget what UFO stands for.

"I saw a UFO! I couldn't identify some lights in the sky, so it must've been aliens."

>> No.6452117

>>6452106
That would be IFOs, things that have been identified and explained.

UFOs, once turned into IFOs...are no longer UFOs. Its that simple.

>> No.6452122

>>6452117
I'm saying UFO nuts throw logic out the window and jump to crazy conclusions.

They show some video or photos of some lights, mention how this or that official or expert couldn't identify them, and then go on to tell me the lights are alien spaceships from the planet Buttfuck.

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>>6452106

The crux of the issue is that the notion that FTL is possible is so widespread in the general population that it elevates an otherwise impossible occurrence to one of great likelihood and importance.

But the false notion that things like FTL and aliens being god-like instead of just evolved bacteria like us feeds their delusional beliefs.

So, if you think warp drive or its like is possible, it's your fault people believe in UFOs. Back in the day, UFOs were thought to be airships piloted by mad scientists. Popular culture tends to be the source of conspiracy theories.

>> No.6452129

>>6452122

Yeah, sounds like people who support Tesla cars.

>> No.6452137

>>6452122
You've read shit material then.

Have you read a single scientist such as
>>6451998
Or even Jacques Vallee on the matter?

If all you've paid attention to is random 'ufologists' you are doing it wrong.

>> No.6452148

>>6452137

How does this scientist prove that FTL is possible?

How stupid would aliens be to send a probe all the way to the surface when you could put a hypertech telescope anywhere in the solar system and learn everything?

The whole UFO thing springs from a child's understanding of the universe.

>> No.6452149

>someone saw something they could not explain in the sky.
>it must be aliens

Please tell me you recognize the leap in logic here.

>> No.6452154

>>6452148
>FTL

>>6452149
>aliens

You guys keep bringing up shit that nobody mentions.

Vallee doesn't talk of it as being FTL but rather something interdimensional. Look at the material yourself before you come in with assumptions for fucks sake.

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6452155

>>6452149

As long as people believe in FTL, believe in UFOs will seem rational.

Like i said, when people thought airships like this were possible, this is what they thought ufos were, even though they were most likely planets or comets or fireflies.

Read Robur the Conquerer by Verne. The first sightings of the Albatross sound exactly like UFO sightings.

>> No.6452160

>>6452154
>interdimensional

Oh, so magic that he can just handwave because most people think dimensions are places like in the ninja turtles, and not just degrees of freedom?

It's nonsense. You're trying to explain hogwarts.

>> No.6452162

>>6452160
You're clearly so biased you aren't even going into the people I mentioned, despite their credentials and scientific understanding.

>> No.6452169

>>6452162

I can tell from a mile away that they have no scientific understanding, nor do you if you honestly think "interdimensional" travel can ever be a thing. I just walked up the stairs from my kitchen. That's fucking interdimensional travel because i went sideways and then up. Ooooh whoopdeedoo!

Knowing reality tends to bias one a little. Is the sky blue in your world? How would you feel if someone told you it wasn't, because some guy said and you should go read his things? Would you even pay it any mind?

Science works via consensus. Unless there is a majority agreement, it's very unlikely that it exists. Not because of their authority, but because reality is universal.

>> No.6452174

Faster than light travel is not possible by our current understanding of science by general relativity standards. But if general relativity were perfect it would be a universal set of equations. Of course it's stance on time dilation is rather sound. However impossible FTL seems, wormholes appear the opposite.

>> No.6452179

>>6452169
>people who have worked in NASA and governments/military/intelligence community etc have no scientific understanding

>> No.6452193

>>6452179

their authority does not extend past their field, and does not trump a majority who say they're wrong, just because you can imagine some ludicrous cover-up conspiracy for any conceivable event.

Sorry.

>> No.6452190

>>6452137
holy shit, just read that Paul Hill article.

Thats some /x/ tier bullshit right there.

>> No.6452198

>>6452190

Well of course it is. UFO mythology is just an extension of judeo christian mythology. They want the aliens to come and save us from ourselves, because they don't believe in evolution and imagine anything other than humans are stargods.

Now let it be known that i am a rational man. IF the pyramids had been built upside down, i would believe in ancient aliens. But a pyramid shape is the only one the Egyptians could have built at that scale with the tech they had.

>> No.6452214

>>6452198
I don't think you can appropriately generalize like that.

But I DO think we can all agree that UFO fanatics are idiots.

>> No.6452227

>Religious, alien and conspiracy fags being butthurt that science disproves them

>> No.6452231

well nobody seems to argue that there is no phenomenon
the question is really who is piloting these things?
and why so overtly?

>> No.6452250

>>6452227
this is the problem with this subject
it's lumped in with spooky nonsense, so no scientist wants to go near it

when what would be really cool would be for scientists to get as near to it as they can

>> No.6452331

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sign

The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious.
There are objects probably approximately the shape of a disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as a man-made aircraft.
There is the possibility that some of the incidents may be caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.
The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.

>> No.6453712

>>6451945

All these stories are infectious. People want to believe in Aliens visiting Earth and abducting people because it's exciting. It's an incredibly infectious idea/belief that these things happen, the fact that millions of people world wide believe this is a cause for investigation in itself. Why do so many people tell the same stories and believe it?

The only one that leaves me perplexed is this because it was tracked on ground and air radar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident

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6455536

Valentich Disappearance

There was brief silence until he said "it is hovering and it's not an aircraft". This was followed by 17 seconds of unidentified noise, described as being "metallic, scraping sounds", then all contact was lost.

Q: What happened to the Australian pilot Frederick Valentich?
A: He was taken by the Lizards and dissected.

The cover-up is the disclosure and the disclosure is the cover-up. Let skepticism do our work for us until the truth becomes common acceptance." -- General Nathan Twining

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>>6452052
>list of countries
>United Nations


>educatinghumanity.com

>> No.6455554

>>6452154
Another dimension isn't something you can travel from. It's nothing but a measurement; width, height, etc.

>> No.6455571

>>6455554
>Another dimension isn't something you can travel from.
topkek

>> No.6455622

>>6455571
It's not a "place" like another universe

>> No.6455693

People really still believe we've never been in contact with "other" intelligent beings? Its more probable these phenomena come from the oceans than space. Ahh lol.. right. Humans are the first species on earth to rub two thoughts together.. pfft.. we can't even reliably remember what happened a mere 2k years ago... let alone 1 or 2 hundred thousand. I will say I remember being 19 or 20 and thinking evolution had all the answers too. Its cute really.

>> No.6455705

>>6455693
>I will say I remember being 19 or 20 and thinking evolution had all the answers too. Its cute really.
What the fuck

>> No.6455713

>>6455571
Jesus christ, what a retard. Get back to /x/ already, stop polluting our board with your bullshit.

>> No.6455714

>>6451919
What, the clouds?

>> No.6455724

>>6455693
>thinking evolution had all the answers
no one thinks that
nothing has "all the answers"

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>>6455705

>> No.6455901

You know, the uk's ministry of defense released documents a year or two ago concerning investigations into ufo sightings and the conclusion of these documents and investigations was that while there are indeed sightings that cannot be explained the objects appear to pose no military threat and there was no direct evidence suggesting extraterrestrial origin so they just don't bother investigating reports of sightings anymore.