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So I went on YT and searched for quantum nonlocality and came across this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oJ9I9Oh9Tc

WTF, /sci/, this guy says that BRAINS can be entangled and cites (peer reviewed?) research. Is that true?

Also, from my limited knowledge, there apparently is a way for macroscopic objects to get entangled (loops of current for example). But brains? How does that work?

>> No.6451526

>>6451513

Too lazy to view the video (yes, I really am that lazy) but you're probably referring to Hameroff. Hameroff wrote a paper with Hawking stating that the brain is essentially a quantum computer, and that brain states can become entangled. Hameroff pretty much uses this hypothesis to support the notion that the entire universe is conscious. I've never seen any scientist take it seriously.

>> No.6451530

>>6451526

Correction: Penrose, not Hawking.

>> No.6451536

>>6451526

Ok. Just saw the video. Yeah, it's pretty much the same bullshit that Hameroff says AKA quantum mysticism.

>> No.6451539

>>6451530
I think he cites work by Dr. Jacobo Grinberg-Zylberbaum. No idea who that is.

>> No.6451563

>>6451539

>Google name
>Scientific evidence for telepathy

Yeah no. As I said, this is pure quantum mysticism. People tend to misinterpret quantum theory as somehow requiring some form of consciousness bringing reality into existence, or even the entire universe being conscious. This is pure nonsense and a misinterpretation of quantum theory.

>> No.6451568

>>6451536
> Hameroff

Pretty sure that Hameroff and Penrose say that there's quantum states in YOUR brain and not entanglement between TWO different brains. There's a huge difference between two claims.

>> No.6451602

>>6451568

I agree, there is a substantial difference. But they are both quantum mysticism, and both not supported by science. For example, Tegmark did calculations that showed that temperatures in the brain are too high to remain in superposition for the time needed according to Hameroff's hypothesis. Likewise, this is also quantum mysticism and has been refuted.

>> No.6451702

>>6451602
Agreed. Hameroff/Penrose stuff is beyond silly. How someone as smart as Penrose can believe in such nonsense is beyond me.

Coming back to this "entangled brains" thing, that too is just complete nonsense. The guy in video says that two people's brains got "entangled" and then when one was subjected to pain, and the other person had no idea what the first person was going through, their brain "reacted."

Nonsense! No one has ever confirmed anything even remotely similar to this.

If the guy who did research is not 100% crank and a charlatan, he probably introduced a ton of errors into this "research".

In short, OP, this is all parapsychology nonsense.

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6451737

>>6451513
>quantum theory of consciousness

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Dr Grinberg mysteriously disappeared in 1994 and hasn't been found since. I assume he found Sha Ka Ree. However, his entangled brain experiment failed replication.

http://www.bial.com/fotos/gca/1081784515bolsa5198.pdf