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Why was tobacco chosen as the plant to smoke instead all the other millions of plants that exist?

>> No.6429896

>>6429890
because nicotine is really hard to synthesize biologically

>> No.6429907

>>6429896
What's so special about nicotine?

>> No.6429908

assuming we are talking about other drug filled plants (else its fucking obvious already), it's partly because nicotine is one of the few drugs actually able to enhance the overall performance of the brains. another reason is that is was popular in the time of discovery, and people got addicted pretty fast.

>> No.6429926

>>6429907
It addicts people. You think cigarette business would be as successful as it was if it wasn't for addiction?

>> No.6429927

>>6429926
yea but it wasnt a business back then. it was a bunch of primitives growing it and smoking it. and it took a lot of work to do so.

>> No.6429929

>>6429907
Two independent pathways, one which requires methyl transfer

>> No.6429930

>>6429907
>>6429907
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine
fukin seriously

>> No.6429935

It's very addictive and was thought to have no ill effects for many years. Now we know the ill effects smoking is slowly dying out in many western countries and is being more restricted in most on where you can smoke.

>> No.6429943
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>>6429890

Nicotine strengthens the immune system and keeps your brain in good shape (related to acetylcholine).

Acetylcholine is the primary neurotransmitter involved with thought, learning, and memory. It sharpens our concentration and perception. .. A lack of choline can produce a decrease in memory. .. It is thought that Alzheimer's disease, which is characterized by severe disturbances in brain function, may be linked to a lack of acetylcholine. (www.childwisdom.org/acetylcholine)

www.health-matrix.net/2012/12/15/nicotine-the-zombie-antidote

Read it carefully. You will learn what's wrong with nicotine.

The only public workplaces where smoking is still allowed in western countries is the U.S. Congress and the European Parliament.

They know that a smoking population is harder to brainwash and that the best slaves are non-smoking vegetarians.

>> No.6429957

>>6429943
nice post. so why dont people just vaporize tobacco then? to gain the benefits and not the harm

>> No.6429971

>>6429957
because people didn't know what organic solvents to use 300 years ago

>> No.6429976

>>6429943
>that /pol/-tier link
Nice

>> No.6430020

>>6429930
Nicotine is special because it has a wikipedia page?

>> No.6430027

>>6429943
Boy, am I being red-pilled. Wake up sheeple!

>> No.6430058
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6430058

>I believe that pipe smoking contributes to a somewhat calm and objective judgment in all human affairs

>> No.6430062
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6430062

The ultimate red pill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80oLTiVW_lc

Bertrand Russell was a chain smoker for 70 + years and lived to be 97.

>> No.6430068

>>6430020
No, no. You were supposed to READ the Wikipedia page, on which is says that nicotine is a highly addictive psychoactive substance.

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6430072

>>6429957

Ecigging is gaining a rise in popularity, except you're vaporizing oil, not tobacco. You can get a pretty sick nicotine rush depending on the oils you use.

However, since it's relatively new, not much is known about the long term effects of vapeing. Still seems safer than inhaling burnt organic matter treated with chemicals.

>> No.6430151

If you think about it very deeply, you will realize that no matter what plant we would've chosen to smoke for fun, you would still be asking this same question.

>> No.6430168

>>6429943
going to buy my first pack! thanks /pol/!

>> No.6430170

>>6430062
woah statistical outlier proves it

>> No.6430173

Tobacco in contemporary cigarettes comes there from the minerals used to manufacture fertilizers

Tobacco farming in Russells time did not use these fertilizers, so less cancer.

How about google and stfu.

>> No.6430174

>>6429890
Millions other plants were tried to smoke and tobacco was one of only few to be useful in this case.
Btw, I think at first it was chewed or maybe not/

>> No.6430202

/sci/, I am proud of you.

You could have trolled the OP, and you didn't.

>> No.6430224

>>6429890
"The racist war on drugs"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONAqaxgIoo

Tobacco seems like the least harmless because it's the least noticeable effect.

>> No.6430237

>>6430224
...and the trolls appear.

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>>6429943
damn straight

>> No.6430306

>>6430151
your point is?

>> No.6430350

>>6430058
JEW!!!!!!

>> No.6430361

>>6430306
idiots have allways existed and will exist asking idiotic questions before researching information on their stupid question

>> No.6430379

>start camp fire
>throw stuff on that you find lying around
>people get high off fumes

>> No.6430382

>>6430058
Controlled breathing is meditative.

>> No.6430387

>>6430020
epic

>> No.6430395

>>6430062
smoking saves lives confirmed

>> No.6430402

>>6430062
>>6430395
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/05/world/jeanne-calment-world-s-elder-dies-at-122.html
> The French, who celebrated her as the doyenne of humanity, had their own theories about why she lived so long, noting that she used to eat more than two pounds of chocolate a week and treat her skin with olive oil, rode a bicycle until she was 100, and only quit smoking five years ago.

>> No.6430410

>>6430224
I always wondered about that. Why do people choose to smoke tobacco?

I feel almost nothing when I do. It just seems like an incredibly weak rush if you're not addicted, so why become addicted? It certainly isn't worth even the immediate side effects of bad breath, smelly clothes, and aerobic fitness loss, much less the cost.

>> No.6430416

>>6430402
How do you know she isn't just a, possibly genetic, outlier?

Isn't the main long-term issue a greatly increased risk of cancer? A higher risk does not imply the undesired outcome materializing in every case.

>> No.6430433

>>6430416
Yeah. Smoking doesnt cause life threatening or shortening complications if it doesnt give you lung cancer usually, as I understand it.

>> No.6430473

>>6430062
So if I smoke twice as much as him I'll live to 140?

>> No.6430491

>>6429935
>smoking is slowly dying out in western countries
citation? which western countries? what about all the other countries?

>> No.6430492

>>6430473
If you smoke twice as much as him you'll survive twice as many plane crashes.

>> No.6430500

>>6430402
>>6430473
Jean did not live to 122. This is a lie. God explicitly said in Genesis that noone is aloud to live past 120 anymore.

>> No.6430508

>>6430500
dubs confirm

>> No.6430583

My choice to smoke tobacco was because that was what came wrapped in the cigarettes I bought.

>> No.6430632

>>6430500
>Jean
Jeanne. (Jean is masculine)

Women live longer than man according to stats, why?

>> No.6430723

>>6430491
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/tables/trends/cig_smoking/

Not that anon but it is on the decline in the United States. I'm not sure about anywhere else, however.


>>6430072
A friend of mine has an e-hookah with some kind of fruity flavoring (he never smoked so he doesn't need the tobacco) and it smells awful. I've had to tell him not to "smoke" it in my house because it leaves my house smelling like that stuff, too.

At least people who still need the nicotine fix can get it without all the other harmful stuff in cigarettes and possibly wean themselves with less adverse effects.

>> No.6430729

>>6429943
>Nicotine strengthens the immune system

Smoking is still extremely shitty for the immune system since it keeps the cilia in the respiratory system from doing their job

>> No.6430735

>>6430723
>Doesn't need the tobacco

Meant nicotine

>> No.6430742

>>6429890
My question isn't why tobacco as much as I just wonder why people thought it would be a cool idea to start smoking things or how they figured out they could smoke things to get some sort of pleasurable effect.

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>>6430742
Cause everybody wants to be a dragon.

>> No.6430760

>>6429943
>That website
>A supposed heart surgeon trying to say smoking isn't dangerous

>> No.6430768

>>6430742
My guess is that people have used all kinds of random stuff to fuel their campfires, eventually noticing different psychoactive effects.

From there it's merely a process of trial and error.

>> No.6430783

>>6430768
>My guess is that people have used all kinds of random stuff to fuel their campfires, eventually noticing different psychoactive effects.

That's what I'd been thinking

I guess there really isn't much of a way to know for sure since ancient campfire sites aren't the most durable of things.

>> No.6430886

>>6430783
1.caveman burn something
2.caveman notice it smell nice
3.caveman burn lots of different things
4.caveman notice he feels good when smelling smoke x
5.caveman make devices to make lots of smoke x
6...
7. profit etc etc

>> No.6431106

>>6430886
>caveman make fire in cave
>carbon monoxide poisoning

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>>6429929

The only tricky part is the last step.

The methylpyrrolinium cation can be obtained from 4-methylaminobutanal, and dihydropiridine can be obtained, for instance, through Hantzch synthesis.

Regarding biotechnology routes, the 4 relevant genes have been characterised. There's also a patent for nicotine-producing GMOs, including nicotine-producing Arabidopsis (done in practice, not just theory) and many kinds of unicellullar organism (not sure about nicotine production, but the relevant enzymes have been biosynthesised).

We are building a chart of all possible routes for homemade nicotine. Later on we'll get our hands dirty and publish the protocols. Maybe you'd like to contribute?

This is our thread:

>>6426327

>> No.6433084

>>6430072
The components are normally just propylene glycol, and vegetable glycerin (with a dash of nictotine and flavouring). Both of these have been used in asthma and other inhalers for decades. Some would even go so far as to suggest that propylene glycol is actually good for the lungs.

>> No.6433086

>>6430170
anecdotal evidence best evidence

>> No.6433163

>>6429943

>Vitamin C's Historical and Miraculous Record

>Heal Thyself with Homemade Liposomal Vitamin C

Into the trash it goes.

>> No.6433175

>>6430416

Because people love dopey contrarianism.

>> No.6434312

Because someone realized that nicotine makes you feel good.

People were also smoking weed too.

>>6430729
He's saying that nicotine is actually very good for you, but smoking isn't.

>> No.6434338

>>6434312
>He's saying that nicotine is actually very good for you, but smoking isn't.
No, he's literally saying that smoking is actually very good for you. And that being a vegetarian makes you more vulnerable to government mind control. These are both things he is saying.

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>>6430027

>> No.6435580

>>6429943
>those links
>citations

pick one

>> No.6435710
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6435710

Don't Smoke - Unless You Like It

It is not that smoking is good for everyone, it rather depends on your genetic profile. People who cannot imagine to ever smoke should follow their instinct and not smoke; they do not need it and it would not suit them. This is totally normal and there's no rational reason to demonize tobacco.

And I mean _real_ tobacco, not the industrial poison sold as cigarettes. If you roll your own you do not smoke too much. If you think you've had enough then quit. There are now methods to deliver nicotine other than by smoking tobacco.

Consider the following:

WHO/CDC Data: All cancers combined account for 13% of all annual deaths and lung cancer for 2%.

>What is causing the lung cancer they are attributing to smoking?
Mental conditioning and subliminal programming to expect it.

People who believe that smoking is detrimental to their health SHOULD NOT SMOKE. Simple as that.

google.com/search?q=smoking+is+good+for+you

Half of donor lungs come from smokers and the transplant patient are just as likely to survive as those who receive organs from non-smokers.

The effect of chronic exposure to tobacco smoke on the antibacterial defenses of the lung. (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/843645) ... These studies indicate that chronic exposure to tobacco smoke does not impair, and in fact may stimulate, the host defenses of the lung...

Antimicrobial activity of nicotine against a spectrum of bacterial and fungal pathogens (jmm.sgmjournals.org/content/49/7/675.full.pdf) .. Nicotine caused a dose-dependent growth inhibition of a broad spectrum of the test organisms, some of which are known pathogens. Gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria were affected equally, along with the acid-fast Mycobacterium phlei and the opportunistic fungi Candida albicans and Cryptococcus neoformans, thereby suggesting a common mechanism of action.

>> No.6435727

>>6435710
lel, dat pic.

The perfect example of total sobriety and healthy life
But what a genius...