Are there any must have /sci/ apps / programs for macs? Mainly interested in chemistry / biology / biochemistry / psychology / physiology.

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Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 22:08:35 No.6411911 [Reply] [Original]

Are there any must have /sci/ apps / programs for macs?

Mainly interested in chemistry / biology / biochemistry / psychology / physiology.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 22:10:33 No.6411915 >for macs? Yeah, the bin

>>	Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 22:13:34 No.6411925 File: 8 KB, 469x463, 1391652895922.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6411915

>>	Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 22:19:33 No.6411942 >>6411925 Fedora has truly lost all meaning.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 22:33:03 No.6411975 File: 96 KB, 780x610, 1394764412175.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6411942 That is because no one knows what a trilby is.

Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 22:40:33 No.6411992
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>>6411975
There's really not that clear a distinction between them.

A broad-brimmed trilby is basically indistinguishable from a narrow-brimmed fedora.

It's also pretty unreasonable to compare pictures of unfashionable people today wearing anachronistic hats to people wearing hats when they were fashionable, and imply that the difference is the precise type of hat they're wearing.

Trilbies were no less fashionable or respectable in their day than fedoras.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 22:47:34 No.6412009 >>6411992 >A broad-brimmed trilby You wear t-shirts to weddings, don't you?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 22:57:38 No.6412034 >>6412009 I've never worn a trilby or a fedora, but this insistence on "correcting" people that nerds wear trilbies not fedoras is ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 22:59:37 No.6412039 >>6412034 ...and you wonder why "fedora" lost it's meaning.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 23:11:08 No.6412062 >macs you can run most bioinformatics software natively

>>	Anonymous Thu, Mar 13, 2014 23:18:38 No.6412070 >>6412039 We don't really need that many words for old styles of hats.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 00:09:37 No.6412149 >>6411975 Fedora-wearer detected.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 00:21:07 No.6412169 >>6412149 Yeah, remember that. I do not wear a trilby, I don't think about god or the lack of one, all I care about is money and women, and I -will- shoot you.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 00:32:37 No.6412180 first day of uni i spotted 9 people wearing fedoras in the maths department

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:07:22 No.6412838 >>6411911 dunno if this is what you want but: marvinshit from chemaxon avogadro texmaker

het !6.hhI.UC6Y Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:26:22 No.6412850

Most scientists who do anything at all with computers use unix machines of some sort. I'm personally a fan of macs because you can take them out of the box, start them up, and start developing code in a pretty great IDE that comes default with OSX. No setup, no downloading and configuring compilers, easy updating and server maintenance, etc., etc. Buying a PC and putting linux on it saves you maybe one or two hundred bucks, but all of the above things take a little more time and it's honestly not worth the money to take someone away from doing actual science. These reasons evaporate if you have solid and dedicated IT personnel, in which case I'd say go Linux.

The reason I say all of this is because yes, essentially all scientific software is available for mac. But it is just a fact of science that the majority of software is made in-house to solve a particular problem, and only when something is hugely useful to a large number of people is it usually put out as a software package. Even then, it usually has to be modified or have a lot of programming to customize the inputs and analyze the outputs.

The biggest question is what do you want the software to do? I am surprised that nobody has asked this. What is the problem you are trying to solve and why do you need software to do it? Could you solve it with 100 lines of Python code?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:33:22 No.6412854 >>6411911 why do people keep calling software for computers "apps"? this has been going on for almost 2 years now.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:37:22 No.6412860 >>6412854 The only true talent of Steve Jobs was brainwashing people.

Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:38:52 No.6412862

>>6412850
>I am surprised that nobody has asked this.
because no one so far has actually decided to help op because its obvious that anyone who wants "science programs" isnt actually doing anything related to science otherwise he would know actually be able to specify what he wants instead of just wanting things so that he can go up to people and say "hay, look how science I am, I have matlab and latex on my computer!"

>>	het !6.hhI.UC6Y Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:39:52 No.6412864 >>6412854 It's short for "application software", which means a program developed for a specific purpose and usually with more user-end control than system software. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_software

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:43:22 No.6412868 >>6412864 oh yea, civilized people have been calling those "applications" for decades. but now even utilities and programming tools are called "apps"

Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:45:52 No.6412872

>>6412854
Why do people keep calling the central processing unit the CPU?

Why do people keep calling the Federal Bureau of Investigation the FBI?

Why do people keep calling mobile cellular telephones "cellphones"?

Because it's a convenient shorthand and everyone knows what it means.

>>	het !6.hhI.UC6Y Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:46:22 No.6412875 >>6412868 Yeah, it really sucks how short names for things pick up colloquial usage. I'm out of this thread for now, though, I have to check my electronic mail and click through some hyperlinks to check a few things on the World Wide Web.

Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:15:22 No.6412905

>>6412872
>initialism
>initialism
>Portmanteau (if thats what its called in english)

if you wernt retarded you could have pointed out that "cellular telephones" are called "cells" now, but thats just as retarded.

it seems that using more than one syllable per word is to much for people today

soon we will have conversations such as "he, de yo in da a o yo ce" instead of "Hey, did you install the app on your cell", which should be "Hallo, did you install the application on your cellphone"

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:22:52 No.6412920 >>6412905 I fail to see how using a colloqualism is inherently a bad thing.

Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:24:52 No.6412921

>>6412905
Yes, because this is how language evolves. It is a proven fact that shorthand for commonly used longer terms is a brand new phenomenon that has never happened before, and all computational linguistics models suggest that it will snowball out of control until in 100 years we are all simply speaking in grunts and squeaks. This de-evolution of language will simultaneously cause a regression of thinking ability, and the once proud human race will abandon their elegant fedoras for uncivilized baseball caps and the entire plot of the film Idiocracy will come true.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:27:52 No.6412926 >>6411911 >Using a mac in a scientific field. Enjoy not being able to program for shit and thus not being able to actually do your job if you're doing research. Things like physics require quite a bit of programming.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:30:52 No.6412930 >>6411911 >macs

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:31:22 No.6412935 >>6412926 >Enjoy not being able to program for shit ...how does having a Mac make him unable to program for shit, exactly?

het !6.hhI.UC6Y Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:34:22 No.6412941

>>6412926
I actually am a physicist. How can you not program on a Mac? The system architecture is based on FreeBSD, and you have literally all the control over things that you do on any unix machine. Literally the only difference as far as programming goes between Mac and Linux is that Macs come with an awesome IDE, XCode, already installed, along with a whole bunch of compilers and utilities.

Really though, what programming tasks can you do on another machine that you can't do on a Mac? I am curious if I have been missing out on something...

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:36:22 No.6412945 >>6412941 >I actually am a physicist Uh huh.... And who gave you that title? What is your degree? What contributions have you made to physics? Oh that's right, you're in high school.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:36:52 No.6412946 >>6412039 Most of the people I see wearing these in real life are middle-ages women.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:37:22 No.6412948 File: 6 KB, 390x470, 1394818675976.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6412941 >I actually am a physicist. Sure you are, bud

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:38:22 No.6412949 >>6412850 >Buying a PC and putting linux on it saves you maybe one or two hundred bucks I believe you're off by an order of magnitude.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:41:22 No.6412951 >>6412941 >Using cocoa Fuck that.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:42:52 No.6412954 >>6412951 You can program on a Mac without ever touching Cocoa. Cocoa is an API.

het !6.hhI.UC6Y Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:43:52 No.6412957

>>6412945
I have a PhD and I run a biophysics laboratory. I actually trip on /sci/ once every couple months to answer physics questions because right now I'm not teaching, but I like explaining things.

I don't want to get in your face about the whole mac vs. PC thing, I don't really care that much about one product or another, but I am just curious how using macs inhibits programming. Probably about 80% of the labs in my department use Macs as their main programming machines, with the remainder being Linux. This is with the exception of DAQs which are usually PCs running Windows because most DAQ software (LabVIEW and Lab Windows) run better/only only Windows, and a cheap machine is usually just fine for data acquisition.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:45:52 No.6412961 >>6412926 search?q=xcode+gcc+LLVM+clang looks like you never touched a mac

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:46:22 No.6412964 >>6412957 If you really run a biophysics lab of some sort all you need to do is prove it with a picture of some lab equipment with your trip written on it. But you won't because you don't.

het !6.hhI.UC6Y Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:48:22 No.6412966

>>6412949
Possibly, it's still small beans compared to what time costs in my lab if you were to divide my grant money into the period over which it lasts. I wouldn't care if our IT people weren't stretched thin and could actually maintain all of our machines. Like I said, if you have dedicated IT, using Linux makes perfect sense. It's just too much of a hassle if you don't have people to do it for you. I'm not a computer hobbyist, I'm a scientist, and I don't feel like spending time and resources setting up computers.

>>	het !6.hhI.UC6Y Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:50:52 No.6412969 >>6412964 Sure, what would you prefer? An Axopatch 200-B patch clamp amplifier? A bunch of pipetters? A centrifuge? A thermocycler? Some weary undergrads? Our office full of macs?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:51:22 No.6412970 >>6412964 Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:51:22 No.6412971 >>6412957 >I have a PhD Prove it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 13:58:22 No.6412980 >>6412969 Just take it near whatever the most expensive equipment you have is. Although it won't prove you run the lab it should at least prove you know most of what you're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 14:03:52 No.6412987 The one idiot who claimed Macs can't program has departed, I see.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 14:06:52 No.6412991 >>6412987 No I just haven't responded to anything. And yes for programming Gnome>Windows>Mac.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 14:07:22 No.6412992 >>6412991 Based on what metrics?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 14:09:22 No.6412996 >>6412854 because "app" is an abbreviation of "application" which can be used instead of software

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 14:17:52 No.6413008 >Gnome>Windows>Mac Gnome is a GUI & ignorance is strength

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 14:18:22 No.6413009 >>6413008 >Gnome is a GUI L O L Also learn to quote you fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Mar 14, 2014 14:20:22 No.6413015 >>6412991 >And yes for programming Gnome>Windows>Mac. What? >>6413008 >Gnome is a GUI the correct term is DE

het !6.hhI.UC6Y Fri, Mar 14, 2014 14:36:22 No.6413044
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>>6412980
Next to grad student and post doc salaries, this is easily the most expensive stuff we have. We used to spend 50-60k a year on it until we started licensing a patent to a company that gives it to us for free now.

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