How do you deal with idiots?

[Anonymous No.6363599]

I'm going to soon be spending an extended amount of time with family that believes in:

ghosts, spirits, angels, demons, ESP, past life memory recall, UFOs,
outrageous conspiracy theories, "the Devil", God, Jesus, the Bible,
evolution is 100% false, climate change is 100% false, Obama is Muslim + Communist, being gay is evil, white people > non-whites,
men > women, math and computers are for sissy faggot boys who can't do REAL men's work, etc. etc.

How do I NOT fly into a psychotic rage when dealing with them?
They love to argue and never accept the truth.

How do you deal with idiots, /sci/ ? pls help. :(

[Anonymous No.6363602]

>math and computers are for sissy faggot boys who can't do REAL men's work

At least this one is true.

[Anonymous No.6363611]

>>6363602
My brother-in-law makes like $40,000/yr to swing a fucking hammer all day in the hot sun and insists that I should quit my "gay ass computer shit" and get a job swinging a fucking hammer with him.

>tfw born into the wrong family

[Anonymous No.6363620]

>>6363611
What "gay ass computer shit" are you doing?

[Anonymous No.6363625]

>>6363620
Network Admin for a medium-sized firm.

[Anonymous No.6363627]

>>6363625
In that case your brother-in-law is right.

[Anonymous No.6363633]

I don't deal with idiots just normal people.

[Anonymous No.6363638]

>mfw I finally met a cute girl who claims to be an atheist, but she somehow believes in ghosts

[Anonymous No.6363641]

just... be yourself?

or become bitter.

or pretend to be something else.. like religious

[Anonymous No.6363644]

>>6363627
lmao I don't think so.

I'm not a millionaire, but I do well enough for my own needs.
I make ~$65k/yr + benefits.
Not to mention my job is EASY. I work 9 - 5, sitting in a comfortable office in the air conditioning,
often posting on /sci/ and /g/,
essentially just making sure things are running smoothly.

When I say he swings a hammer, that is honestly what he does, largely.
He works for a railroad company and goes out to break up rocks and lay track.
Physically exhausting shit, and he often works 50-60 hrs a week in the blistering Texas sun.

I'll keep my gay faggot job, thank you.

[Joe No.6363647]

>>6363599
You're also an idiot, the bible exists.

[Anonymous No.6363649]

Don't forget to wear your fedora.

[Anonymous No.6363654]

invite a muslim as your +1.

or ufo conspiracist or whatever.

[Anonymous No.6363655]

Spend a few days lurking /pol/ and vent your frustration with them on there.

[Anonymous No.6363657]

>implying UFOs aren't real

The Drake equation proves that the universe is abundant of intelligent aliens. It is statistically likely that UFOs are alien visitors. The belief that UFOs are optical illusions or fake goes against the laws of probability.

[Anonymous No.6363658]

>>6363599

I thought sci is where the high brow STEM lovers are.

All I see here are angsty teenagers

[Anonymous No.6363660]

>>6363657
It is likely that intelligent life exists beyond our planet, but there are hundreds upon hundreds of better explanations for UFO sightings

[Anonymous No.6363662]

>>6363657

yeah i dunno, about ufo's.

but i hear angels are made out of light.

can you fathom it? scary...

anyway at least its almost a universal constant.

[Anonymous No.6363668]

>>6363662
>but i hear angels are made out of light.

Incredible. Every child knows they are made out of neutrinos.

[Anonymous No.6363669]

>>6363662
Reflections of light can give off the illusion of a shape, which is more probable: Alien invaders? Or the illusion of lights creating a figure? Hmmm…

[Anonymous No.6363672]

>>6363644
>Texas

There's your problem

[Anonymous No.6363673]

>>6363672
Texans just can't handle the gay faggot jobs the smart have

[Anonymous No.6363675]

>>6363662
Angels are holy light shaped by our Goddess Illias

[Anonymous No.6363676]

Why the fuck is this thread here and not in /r9k/ or /b/. This has nothing to do with science at all.

/thread

[Anonymous No.6363685]

>>6363668

hey i have no idea on how to interpret the data!

i just dont have the tech.

..but imagine light given form, given substance.

its probably just energy states anyway.. or not.

i have no idea?

but ufo's are like, g force.

[Anonymous No.6363686]

>>6363676
I wanted to ask people of a scientific background how they handle dealing with belligerently irrational and delusional people.
I wanted to have a civil and informed discussion about the topic.

I also figured people on /sci/ would be more likely to understand my point of view and less likely to go:
>>ghosts
>>not real
>fedora meme

[Anonymous No.6363691]

What you could do is prepare hard facts about everything and explain your side without getting mad, this will not only piss them off but it will also increase your chances of not being invited for family get togethers. So a win win. Or you could just show them the Ken Ham and Kill Nye debate and let them discuss that while you browse 4chan.

[Anonymous No.6363693]

>>6363685

irl its probably easier to do a quantum leap than a materialising entity but im not a scientist.

[Anonymous No.6363704]

>>6363691

>talking to them once about religion
>ask me why I don't believe in God + Jesus, Noah's Arc, Virgin Birth, etc. etc.
>clearly and concisely state my reasoning (i.e. facts & logic)
>"Yeah, but Anon you can't just PROVE things God works in mysterious ways don't matter if you have FACTS, people like you think you know everything just because you read some books, just wait till you get in the REAL world you're gonna see. God is real because the Bible says he's real, that's all the "proof" I need!"
They can't be reasoned with. They're too far gone.

[Anonymous No.6363702]

It's tough, but you've gotta just ignore it. Arguing with them will go nowhere. At best you'll just make everyone needlessly angry, without changing any minds.

Try to enjoy the company of your family instead.

Be sure to have some facts if they confront you directly, however.

[Anonymous No.6363709]

Are you an Atheist?

[Anonymous No.6363714]

>>6363709
Yes.

[Anonymous No.6363721]

>>6363686
>>6363704
If they've gone too far then I guess your end goal is tolerate them. Or a mass homicide, followed by suicide. Ether way there is no changing anyone.

[Anonymous No.6363716]

>>6363599
Just stay away from them if it's that bad. Disown them if necessary.

[Anonymous No.6363725]

>>6363714
You're just as stupid as they are then. Luckily, you're a STEM major, so I would only backhand you once.

[Anonymous No.6363732]

>>6363704

but as a person that probably plays the numbers, the inherent...order of things points to something for sure.

and its not chaos theory!

at the same time, demanding from a shelf stacker to see bill gates is not going to happen.

its your own life man.

[Anonymous No.6363744]

>>6363725
>lol Atheists are stupid becuase you can't prove god DOESN'T exist either!
>which is why i'm agnostic
>and not just about christian theology! that would be logically inconsistent!
>I'm "agnostic" about ALL religions, naturally
>i also have the same views about pixies, unicorns, goblins, etc.
>you can't prove THEY don't exist either!!
Get out.

p.s. thanks for derailing the thread, asshole.
janitor deletion inbound.
and don't blame me for responding to you, someone would have or you would have responded to yourself because you're a pathetic troll piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.6363746]

>>6363732
And they're brainless

[Anonymous No.6363754]

>>6363744
>You can't prove there was a CREATOR to the Universe
>Makes no relevance to whether the creator is a deity
>Believes in string theory
>Believes only humans can find certain planets inhabitable
>Thinks he knows all the gases in the known universe
>Doesn't know anything in the known universe let alone the unknown universe or omniverse
That is how stupid you are.

[Anonymous No.6363762]

>>6363754
That's default stupidity

[Anonymous No.6363770]

>>6363762
No, intelligent scientists understand that there are most likely more elements in the universe than the ones we find on Earth.

[Anonymous No.6363775]

>>6363686
they iz a contentious lot ain't they

>that's an interesting point, I will consider it fully

[Anonymous No.6363776]

>>6363770
Of course there are, thinking otherwise would be ignorant

[Anonymous No.6363777]

>>6363744
>Goes on /sci/
>Ask for advice.
>Gets upset when someone is blatantly trolling him.

I think you might legitimately need help with this. If a one sentence post can set you off, I shutter to think what happens when a group of your RL family members tries to talk to you.

[Anonymous No.6363781]

>>6363777
I'm certain his family are less intelligent than he is, but at least they aren't more bigoted.

[Anonymous No.6363782]

>>6363777
He is most certainly r/atheism

[Anonymous No.6363783]

I reccomend you bring this book with you and read it will you're with them. It'll make you want to beleive them. Think of it as Lord of the Rings for the paranoid schzophrenic

[Anonymous No.6363786]

>>6363783
What would you rate it

[Anonymous No.6363790]

>>6363638
My last girlfriend was Catholic, Indian, didn't drink, and didn't smoke. Be grateful.

[Anonymous No.6363813]

>>6363781
>gets frustrated at religion
>bigot
This annoys me a lot. Even the most euphoric, fedora hearing teens are much better than most Bible thumpers. I never see atheist doing half the shit that Christians do all the time, its annoying when you get called a biggot for calling out some of this bs that religious people can believe.

[Anonymous No.6363826]

>>6363813
Christianity doesn't dictate what the fuck a creator of the universe is. 'Supernatural' being can make reference to any being that is outside 'nature' as in space and time. I have a problem with the word 'Supernatural' because it's a possibility that all of these things can be very natural and explained with Science, we just don't have enough knowledge. Will we ever? Who knows? Who wants to? I don't think anyone does, that would be too boring. You should know what boring feels like...

Seeing as you most likely are.

[Anonymous No.6363829]

>>6363657
>Drake equation
Let me stop you right there.
2/10 if trolling 0/10 if can't even read the wikipedia article

[Anonymous No.6363831]

>>6363813
IMO, it's just a defense mechanism. Expecting religious people to be rational is in itself irrational. I'd say that people ingrained in religion aren't the smartest people in the world; if you can't take a step back from your emotions and analyze things, you're gonna have a bad time.

It's interesting how churches are just businesses with the highest degree of brand loyalty imanginable.

Just my $.02.

[Anonymous No.6363841]

>>6363831
I'd also like to mention I'm agnostic and think that if there is a god, then everybody gets to go to heaven. It doesn't make sense for a benevolent god to send people that did "naughty" things in his petri dish to eternal fire.

[Anonymous No.6363848]

i guess you have two options
- argue the fuck out of them. in which case, do a lot of research before you go so that you can easily refute every point they make
- just deal with

i'd pick the second option. it's too much effort to try and argue with idiots (see: this thread) and your chance of convincing them that you're right is close to 0%.

[Anonymous No.6363852]

Apparently aliens are atheists as well:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2014/feb/18/aliens-atheists-richard-dawkins-tweeted

[Anonymous No.6363861]

>>6363848

lol that does not sound like /sci/

[Anonymous No.6363860]

>>6363848
The Believing Brain confirms that. People tend to form their beliefs based on emotion and then seek rationalization to cement their beliefs in their mind.

[Anonymous No.6363886]

>>6363704
Then why do you put up with them?
Just cut them off, you don't need to deal with that kind of shit.

[Anonymous No.6363909]

>>6363852
Richard Dawkins needs to stop with twitter, it isn't doing him any favors.

[Anonymous No.6364016]

>>6363599
Don't spend time with them. They sound like the very worst of American culture.

[Anonymous No.6364047]

>>6363599
I usually try to be more ridiculous than they are. For example tell them about random conspiracy stories about Italian bankers, masonic assassinations and what not. There is no changing people like this at least they'll like you this way.

[Anonymous No.6364050]

>>6363599
Just limit the amount of time arguing with them.
You aren't likely to convince them, so it'd be a waste of energy.

[Anonymous No.6364059]

>>6363599
If you are wise and intelligent then you would know that flying into a rage with morons for being moronic would be moronic in itself, so the second you snap. You become one of them.

[Anonymous No.6364070]

>>6363655
>Spend a few days lurking /pol/ and vent your frustration with them on there.
I was gonna post that, but read the thread first.

[Anonymous No.6364080]

>>6363599
Pretty simple. I don't spend time with these types of people. And if I'm absolutely forced to for work or something I usually avoid speaking with them at length.

[Anonymous No.6364087]

Bring a Middle Eastern friend and say you're getting married. Double points if it's a guy.

[Anonymous No.6364097]

>>6363599
> outrageous conspiracy theories ie. The Jews run the media and Mossad did 9/11
> God
> Jesus
> ESP
> white people > non-whites
> men > women

Is this bait or is this how stupid /sci/ actually is?

A good portion of your body is made up of billions of fractal antennae. The majority of your body is actually empty space. Your essentially a component on a wireless circuit board called 'The Universe'. If you can't see how easily ESP is possible, then you're absolutely hopeless.

An understanding of concepts such as the above alludes to the 'proof' of God. The problem with explaining this evidence to children is that it likely requires a decade of studying and applying information theory in your case to grasp it. Your mind is able to yearn for more but due to defects or damage it settles for finding 'holes' in everything. It's easy to be a skeptic. You do so to make yourself feel better.

Implying Jesus himself is a myth? Now that's an outrageous conspiracy theory. Speaking of which, there's smoke where there's fire, and it's not hard to research for yourself that the Ashkenazi Jews do own and run everything. An interesting place to start would be with Non-classical Adrenal Hyperplasia, the disease which causes Homosexuality and 'Feminism' or the abandonment of traditional female roles. A key difference between the male and female brain is the number of connections between the left and right hemisphere. Perhaps this is why Jews tend to be Psychopaths or Schizophrenics?

[Anonymous No.6364101]

>>6364097
If this is copypasta, please try harder next time. If you actually wrote all this just now, try to be subtler next time.

[Anonymous No.6364107]

>>6364097

>wireless circuit board

tinfoil hat time.. i could almost not be kidding

[Anonymous No.6364104]

>>6363599
>white people > non-whites,
>men > women
Not to provoke anyone, but, uhm...
>implying it's false

[Anonymous No.6364112]

>>6364107
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21457072

[Anonymous No.6364113]

Do you wanna know what I do in such situations?

[Anonymous No.6364125]

>>6364113
Let us know, anon.

[Anonymous No.6364135]

>>6363602

>tfw doing manual labor (loading trucks) to pay my way through a physics degree

People who do manual labor for a living have given up at some point and decided that making just enough to get by and afford various middle-class trophies like a big screen and an SUV is good enough. They usually spend their nights and weekends taking care of the babby they had when they were a teenager or drinking. I'm not knocking it because it's cool if that's all you want out of life. Some people don't need or want more. But after almost 10 years of doing hard manual labor in a place with no A/C or heat, it's just not worth it to me. I'd rather kill myself than spend my day not thinking and settling for just okay.

But at least nobody can talk shit about me not doing physical work.

[Anonymous No.6364137]

>>6363657
From what I understand the Drake equation did not assign values to its variables, so it is itself only a model for what things could be given certain criteria. Further, it was an equation to model the probability of intelligent alien life existing, not to prove that there is intelligent alien life.

[Anonymous No.6364148]

>>6363599
Pic related.

[Anonymous No.6364160]

>>6363599
Just smile and nod.
Bless their hearts, they cain't help it.

[Anonymous No.6364176]

From what I have read it seems as if this thread has degenerated into religion wars. I always thought that narrow-mindedness could be prevalent without religion. I mean that there are a lot of people who have contributed to this thread that think themselves more intelligent than others just because they do not believe in a god.
They point to a great deal of evidence that they use to disprove a variety of religious beliefs. The pious might respond in their own manner with religious arguments. Each bickers the same way, though, because each uses data that they have been told about by a select group of other people and ignores everything else. Maybe using listening skills is a good idea.
But all the herpderp atheist4life christfags r dum people here are ignorant savages who have never heard of St. Thomas Aquinas.

>>6364148
I like this anon. This anon gets it.

>>6364113
Master! Please teach us Your Ways!

[Anonymous No.6364179]

>>6363599
Avoid arguments, when they are unavoidable make your best effort to explain that it is really about skepticism. Skepticism is about needing evidence, which is a larger issue than religion. Atheism (the negative kind, as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_atheism)) is just a subclass of skepticism, applied to religion.

[Anonymous No.6364183]

>>6364176
He didn't respond.

2deep4u.

[Anonymous No.6364193]

>>6364125
>>6364176
Think what really clever person would do. And he would behave as they want him to in order to maintain good relationships, which may very well prove useful when you'll need something from them. Pretty basic actually, don't know why it gets so many people. Only this way you will realise your advantage.

[Anonymous No.6364199]

>>6364193
What exactly would you need them for?

[Anonymous No.6364210]

>>6364199
From the top of my head: money, possible connections they posses or might posses in the future.

[Anonymous No.6364215]

>>6364210
But you're a genius, you should be able to figure out how to gain those connections yourself and because you're a genius, they'd actually listen to you. That's how it works.

[Anonymous No.6364237]

>>6364215
Nah, man, you got it wrong.
>you should be able to figure out how to gain those connections yourself
Never hurts to have extra ones, moreover - can hurt not to have extra ones.
>because you're a genius, they'd actually listen to you
Tell me one thing silly boy: would a primitive one cell organism listen to anything? The answer being no for one cell organism cannot in fact listen. And similarly the majority of humans simply cannot listen, but for somewhat different reasons.

[Anonymous No.6364279]

>>6363599
>white people > non-whites

>men > women
Implying these both aren't true

[Anonymous No.6364300]

>>6364237
One cell organisms just don't understand our form of communication. A genius would figure out a way to communicate with it, by observing.

[Anonymous No.6364313]

>>6363599
You sound like a real cunt

It can't be known that ALL of that stuff doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.6364354]

>>6364135
What the fuck are you talking about you aspie fuck?

No one goes into pure math or theoretical physics to make tons of money. You aren't "giving up" and "getting by" by not choosing to go into academic fields.

That said, I've worked a manual labor construction job before. It was 16 hours a day (8 with the company + 8 with a subcontractor), came home tired every day, had weekends off, overall it felt good though. Very fulfilling, after spending some weeks working on a building you get to step back and immediately see the payoff of your work. The best part is that it keeps you in shape, your body feels great and you feel great. This is different from cubicle jobs like a software engineer for example who only ever gets handed RFCs and told to write blackbox components for projects they might never be told about and will probably never use.

They're just different types of work and they're fulfilling in different ways. All that said, I still much prefer the experience of discovering something and formalizing it as a proof.

[Anonymous No.6364356]

>>6364176
Not saying religious people can't be intelligent , of course historically many have, but in modern times generally speaking, the highly religious are not intelligent, and the religious people who are intelligent only hold on to the most vague, liberal, and open ended interpretations. They probably would even become irreligious with just a little push half of the time and only claim to be religious because of what I think is a mix of wish thinking, up bringing and a fear of hell.

In all honesty, with all the bull shit many of the religious cause, and the absurdity of some of their beliefs I believe we are "entitled" to some degree of smugness. That word might not be the best word to convey what I'm trying to say but, compared to the crap that religion gives off, I think it that there is nothing wrong with atheists and alike venting on the internet about religion.

And I find it pretty unfair to make them seem as "equals" sides of the argument

[Anonymous No.6364357]

>>6364279
>>>/r9k/
>>>/pol/

lrn2rigor

[Anonymous No.6364360]

>>6363638
Spirituality is technically a different thing for a lot of people. But yea, I agree, that's stupid. I've met people like that too.

[Anonymous No.6364362]

>>6364097
mfw /pol/esmokers are this retarded

[Anonymous No.6364416]

>>6363638
Being an atheist does not mean you are smart, it simply means you haven't been brainwashed with religion.

There are countries with atheist majorities, but of course not every single one of them are intelligent.

[Anonymous No.6364436]

>>6364416
I think that anon was implying that you have to believe in a religion to justify a belief in ghosts. If that was the case the girl would be contradicting herself.

religion --> undying soul --> spirits --> ghosts

[Anonymous No.6364441]

>>6363599
>Report submitted! This window will close in 3 seconds...

[Anonymous No.6364445]

>>6364436
'Ghosts' could be made of 'anti-particles' though. Whether the 'ghost' could be sentient, I don't know, we'd have to get even closer to dark matter study.

[Anonymous No.6364460]

>>6364445
What if a ghost made of anti-ice haunted a man made of lava?

[Anonymous No.6364488]

>>6363638
being atheist doesn't mean not believing in something supernatural
it just means that they don't believe any of those supernatural beings is all powerful, benevolent, and that he has/gave a purpose to life

[Anonymous No.6364492]

>>6363644
good choice
don't listen to the trolls, I bet if that guy. could switch job he would

[Anonymous No.6364506]

>>6364460
10/10 I died

[Anonymous No.6364513]

>>6363599
>implying you aren't an idiot yourself

You've only been conditioned to believe the things you hold close to you are truths when they are just complex rationalizations. Don't hide behind "science" as your m8 to back up your beliefs. You only accepted science because everything else scared you and you will never accept something that you couldn't like

[Anonymous No.6364558]

All of that at the same time? Should be entertaining.

[Anonymous No.6364575]

>>6364354

I didn't say people are giving up because they don't go into academic fields. There are plenty of cooks who go on to be Michelin star chefs and construction workers that go on to be multimillion dollar contractors.

If you're a 40 year old guy doing the same job you did when you were 20 something then you have, at some point, given up. You can ramble on about the dignity of labor all day long, but it doesn't change anything. You're right there are different types of work, and some of them are for people who settle. I didn't even say that those jobs aren't fulfilling, I said some people are fine with settling. I'm sure that 35 year old waitress may be happy living off tips. But to say she's one equal ground with a 35 year old nobel laurete because muh cultural relativism is stupid.

People often choose the easiest path. It's easy to rationalize not doing anything with your mind because you can afford a few beers on the weekend and that new iphone.

[Anonymous No.6364655]

>>6363599
Just leave your preconceptions & prejudices (you call them "truths") aside, and, for the duration of your encounter with these people who share different beliefs than you, pretend that their beliefs are not false.

Consider it a roleplaying game; your character credulously accepts these things.

Now, have fun. Just go with the flow, and eventually, you'll be free; then you can awaken from your self-imposed fugue state.

[Anonymous No.6364677]

>>6363599

OP, it kind of up to you.According to the data you provided they cannot make objective debates with you and arguing with them will do nothing productive.Also even if they are bullshitting they wont understand they are doing so because they are simply narrow minded people.

Accept them and their mindset as they are and ignore them and dont interfere with their stuff and also do not let them interfere with your stuff. Everyone lives happily forever

[Anonymous No.6364686]

>>6364313
Ghosts, angels, demons, and ESP are all tied into religious belief. When there is absolutely no evidence for these things, they are decided to be non-existent. Not even sure why I'm replying, it's an obvious bait.

[Anonymous No.6364692]

All these posts saying to just give up and accept it, I don't agree. You should argue with all the tenacity you've got against them. You don't have to be calm, and collected and raise well thought out points if they aren't going to listen. Use ad hominems much like they do. Tell them they are wrong for being racists and sexist.
If you don't want to use logical fallacies then maybe you could try and telling them that they are delusional and sound insane.

[Anonymous No.6364707]

>>6364655
I only believe what I believe because I have been presented compelling evidence, it is nonsense to try to accept everything everyone "believes" when there is no evidence, but I will happily listen to what people think qualifies as logical objective evidence and let them know where I don't see enough logic, reason, or objectivity to find the evidence compelling.

[Anonymous No.6364717]

>>6364313
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Hitchens

[Anonymous No.6364721]

>>6364717
From people who believe in OP's new family's perspective, that doesn't really apply because you can't dismiss any of what OP referred to because the evidence is the bible and their first hand direct experience.

[Anonymous No.6364740]

>>6363790
I don't trust anyone who doesn't drink.

[Anonymous No.6364787]

>>6364740
Why? Its a terrible feeling if you don't like it why would a reasonable person continue engaging in actions they know makes them feel bad?

Do you mean you don't trust anyone who has never had a drink?

Is trust the right word or do you just not like being around people who don't encourage your own self destructive behavior?

[Anonymous No.6364797]

>>6363599
>with family that believes in: ghosts, spirits, angels, demons, ESP, past life memory recall, UFOs, outrageous conspiracy theories, "the Devil", God, Jesus, the Bible, evolution is 100% false, climate change is 100% false, Obama is Muslim + Communist, being gay is evil, white people > non-whites, men > women, math and computers are for sissy faggot boys who can't do REAL men's work, etc. etc.

Hahha, only in da 'Merica
Regards Scandinavia godtier

[Anonymous No.6364801]

>>6364787
Maximum autist

[Anonymous No.6365377]

>>6364135
>People who do manual labor for a living have given up at some point and decided that making just enough to get by and afford various middle-class trophies like a big screen and an SUV is good enough. They usually spend their nights and weekends taking care of the babby they had when they were a teenager or drinking. I'm not knocking it because it's cool if that's all you want out of life. Some people don't need or want more. But after almost 10 years of doing hard manual labor in a place with no A/C or heat, it's just not worth it to me. I'd rather kill myself than spend my day not thinking and settling for just okay.

Please be honest; are you trolling`?

[Anonymous No.6365395]

>>6363693
>im not a scientist
Wow, /sci/ is really cracking me up today.

[Anonymous No.6365402]

My opinion is that, when a guest in another's home, you at least respect their customs, if not follow their beliefs. If you can't do that, then don't participate. If they proselytise, then its game-on, and hold a hard line but don't prosyletize to them. A lot of believers never encounter anyone else willign to contradict them, so if they hint at it, give them the calm reasoned, firm counter-belief, without argument. Remember you can't win, but, especially with family, its a good idea to put your ideas forward and own them. Don't try to convert them, but by example, you might inspire them to convert themselves.

Its in your interest and theirs to help clarify for them the power they have over their beliefs... as opposed to vice versa. These shit beliefs are only going to cause problems as time goes on, but you cant make them believe it. So don't try to convince them, just stay skeptical and poke holes in their stated beliefs. Don't go fishing for a fight.

If all goes well you just might convert by example. Irrationality never leads to good things for people. Eventually people will degenerate, get sick or disabled, at which point their beliefs become very important. If they still believe in God, for instance, they now have to wrestle with the pseudo-reality that God apparently wants them to suffer, sending them down a dark road that anyone with any empathy will agree isn't a good outcome for anyone.

[Anonymous No.6365406]

Why would you spend time with such people?

Also, about aliens and paranormal activity, you cant really know. Atheism is kinda dumb and arrogant, agnosticism is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.6365419]

>>6364488
this

[Anonymous No.6365480]

>>6363599
>being gay is evil
>white people > non-white
>men > women
Implying that is bad

[Anonymous No.6365483]

>>6365480
Yeah, don't expect a lot of sympathy from /sci/ when you throw your moral/political views in with your complaint about scientific ignorance as if they belong in the same category.

[Anonymous No.6365492]

>>6365480
>all important scientists, philosophers, everything are men
>most of important smart people are white
>faggotry is a mental disease
Here

[Anonymous No.6365541]

>>6365492
"important"

[Anonymous No.6365901]

>>6363686
What background do you have to actually contend these "people" you refer to.

What makes you so special and more intelligent?

This is why you would get called a fedora

[Anonymous No.6366830]

>>6363686
>I wanted to ask people of a scientific background how they handle dealing with belligerently irrational and delusional people.
>I wanted to have a civil and informed discussion about the topic

Have you looked at /sci/ lately?
soul, demons, "I invented a new technology in my head while stoned behind the gym", stupid beta faggot, "I read this thing once, I didn't understand it, but I'll quote it to prove that I'm smart," "more evolved," men>women and math is for sissy faggot boys....

If you can't deal, you're going to end up alone.
Just tell yourself: so many people are fools, so much of the time, these people all think my beliefs are foolish, it is very improbable that I am the one human who isn't totally nuts most of the time, I got to learn to deal with it.

Mom walks up to you in her tinfoil hat and hands you a beer in a homemade cup painted with lead paint?
You smile and drink like everyone else or make the choice to walk away.

[Anonymous No.6367119]

>>6364707
Stop being so autistic and just have fun.

[Anonymous No.6367134]

Just stop giving a shit. Let morons be morons. Stop trying to "spread knowledge" to people who don't want it.

It's not really about the fact that they're stupid, because there's millions of stupid people in the world and you don't obsess about each and every one of them. It's about the fact that you don't want these people specifically to be stupid. You'd rather they change their views to what you want them to be.

And that's not going to happen. It's possible, but it sure as hell isn't going to happen with your argumentative ass, so it may as well be impossible.

[Anonymous No.6367211]

>>6364460
I put 'anti-particle' and 'ghost' that way for a reason.

[Anonymous No.6367228]

>>6363599
smile and nod.

[Anonymous No.6367254]

That thread sure was otherwordly.

[Anonymous No.6367274]

it's called "social skills" OP.

Not everybody has a PHD in Physics. People have different interests, different pursuits, different philosophies. It's just the way people are. Very little people understand nor care about even the basics of Quantam Theory.

And if you even try to explain it to them, if you have any basic social skills you can tell that it annoys them that you know something that you don't know, so it just makes you look like an asshole. So you listen and learn from other people's perspectives.

I drink a lot, so that helps. Sometimes I feel like it's the only thing that keeps me sane at the end of the day.

[Anonymous No.6367275]

>>6367274
*they

[Anonymous No.6367277]

>>6364097
>A good portion of your body is made up of billions of fractal antennae
Stopped reading.

[Anonymous No.6367278]

Just ignore them.
Idiots will always exist.
Being a passive aggressive asshole will probably only make things worse.
Being an aggressive asshole will definitely make things worse, provided they aren't being aggressive to you

[Anonymous No.6367281]

>>6363686

Kill your entire family.

Clearly this is the most scientific answer, since if they were as smart as you, they'd know a way to stop you from killing them, and since you're infinitely more intelligent, such an option for them is impossible.

[Anonymous No.6367515]

>>6367274
Here's someone who understands how the world works instead of engaging in verbal dairrhea to validate himself. That's what's being an observer is all about, /sci/ take notes.

[Anonymous No.6367976]

>>6367515
>>6367274
>omegas who make excuses for idiots to deal with cognitive dissonance of conforming to society with understanding that it's made of idiots

[Anonymous No.6368653]

>How do you deal with idiots?

By hiding their threads. Goodbye OP.

[Anonymous No.6368981]

Science and atheism are not synonymous, so the skeptical and antithetical antisocial attitude wasn't necessary to begin with. Take your meds. If they're mental to you, it might be hereditary. Avoid conversation where one person must be right and the other wrong.

[Anonymous No.6369013]

>>6363644

so you make 20k more than he does.

he's fit and gets da pussay.

you're shagging his sister but the question is how much longer.

[Anonymous No.6369014]

>>6363599
>God, Jesus, the Bible
>inherently bad

reported

[Anonymous No.6369477]

>>6363657
Aliens most certainly exist somewhere in the universe, but it's HIGHLY unlikely that UFO phenomena can be chalked up to several dozen races of glowing white people from space.

I actually had a descussion with one of my more intelligent friends about UFOs and "Abductions" and stated that something along the lines of Psychosomatic Corporeal Manifestation (basically Mass Hysteria, but with physical affects) could explain why 'abductees' believe so fiercely that they're telling the truth.

He then claimed that Mass Hysteria wasn't real and it it were, he's too smart to fall for it.

[Anonymous No.6369708]

>>6363599
I sage in their threads

[Anonymous No.6370002]

I never had to deal with idiots. I'm glad I don't live in murica.

[Anonymous No.6370543]

You get a fucking gun.

[Anonymous No.6371422]

>>6363790
>Girlfriending someone you disagree with that much

[Anonymous No.6371436]

>>6371422
>implying getting some of the good ol' in-out in-out action with a fresh pussy implies any feelings to it's biological owner

[Anonymous No.6371441]

>>6371436
I'm all for that
but he said girlfriend and that implies being attached and obligated to do shit.

[Anonymous No.6371448]

>>6371441
Ha-ha, don't be silly, no one ever does that. People participate in relationships only because some girls just won't give it unless it's official that they are dating. Whatevs, nothing serious.

[Anonymous No.6371472]

>>6371448
chumps do that all the time m8
have you ever been in a feel thread

[Anonymous No.6371478]

>>6371472
Obviously I meant normal people, not over-emotional infantile low rank dufuses.

[Anonymous No.6371483]

ESP is testable, so it can't be grouped with those other things.

[Anonymous No.6371676]

>>6363599
you shouldn't get carried away giving a shit about what they think of you

I'm pretty sure that brother in law is jealous that you make more money doing an easier job, and that he was too stupid to do the same

[Anonymous No.6371757]

>>6371483
Agreed, ESP is not that far fetched and the military has made great strides in exploring it as well as OBE's as well.

[Anonymous No.6371759]

you should grow up

[Anonymous No.6371792]

>>6371757
Men that stare at goatses

[Anonymous No.6371805]

>>6367281

OP hasn't replied in a day.
I hope he killed his family and finished the job with himself.