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$32 for a PDF of an article

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140130/ncomms4086/full/ncomms4086.html

if you have to pay to read research results, it is really science, or some perversion of science?

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>> No.6321962

>>6321947

I'm pretty sure most universities/research institutions allow free acces to this stuff

>> No.6321965

>>6321962
"Free" if you don't count being gutted by tuition so no it's not free.

>> No.6321967

>>6321947
First I thought we could buy graphene transistors for $32.
Yeah it's still science.

>> No.6321968

It let me see it without paying, probably because I'm on a Uni wi-fi connection. Merry Christmas OP.

https://www.mediafire.com/?20s6gqxgqrujg83

>> No.6321989

>>6321962

so science should be restricted to "universities/research institutions"?

why isn't there something like the open source movement in software, but in open scientific publication?

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>>6321968

thanks bro, you're awesome, that made me a little happier. but the overall situation still sux. op.

>> No.6322003

>>6321947

Perversion. You're not actually paying for the research, you're paying for the service the repository offers. It's just all coincidence and power pools. This is why that dude leaked all those research papers some years ago. Aaron Shwartz

>> No.6322004

We should have a general "help me get this paper behind a paywall" thread here on /sci/. A lot of us don't have access to some journals and these fucking shysters are robbing us by demanding $40 for a 5 page paper.

>> No.6322066

>>6322004
Make one.

Ok sure there are a few of us that would be happy to reply. Or maybe it's better to go to /r/?

>> No.6322075

Ideally, there should be a small fee to cover the editing and coordination work done by the publisher, but costs are inflated by the for-profit business model and the probably over-inflated administrative staff, similar to the driving force behind university tuition in the US. As such, instead of paying for the service, you are paying a lot of people whose jobs exist solely because of a bureaucracy that largely exists to keep them employed.

>> No.6322079

>>6322004
It's really not meant for individuals to pay for.
Anyway you can go to your local library and request pretty much any article either through interlibrary loan or just stuff they've subscribed to.

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>>6321947
The most amazing part is that they can dye the parts such uniform colors while leaving the surroundings grey. It's this sort of attention to detail that lets printed circuits become so powerful.

>> No.6322098

most universities have free access, just go the library and print it out for the cost of the printing,
or have a uni student copy it for you

>> No.6322097 [DELETED] 

>>6322004
Every time I needed access to a paper anons have hooked me up. When I'm at school there is no issue because from campus I get all the papers for free. My old uni had a vpn I could use to get papers from off campus but the new one doesn't have it. (-_-)

>> No.6322120

>>6322066
>Ok sure there are a few of us that would be happy to reply. Or maybe it's better to go to /r/?

/r/ is full of porn + who would actually go there anyway?

I think mods would be OK with it being here.

>> No.6322124

>>6322093

lol

>> No.6322125

>>6322098
>just go the library

Yeah, but people want it now and it's fucking easy to get a nice PDF that can be searched & indexed with Spotlight or whathaveyou.

>> No.6322151

Authors have to pay a few thousand dollars to be published.
Getting something peer-reviewed is expensive if you are doing it right.

>> No.6322157

>>6322151
>Getting something peer-reviewed is expensive if you are doing it right.

LMAO!!!

Editors and reviewers are not paid by the journals.

Journals basically get all the copyright credit and money from sales for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

>> No.6322162

>>6322157
Reviewers do get paid.

>> No.6322165

>>6322162
VAST majority don't. My adviser is an editor of a journal. He doesn't get paid.

>> No.6322170

the problem, like with everything, is concentration of power. established journals have concentrated power, so they can rip off the researcher and the reader at the same time. and many researchers want to publish in the big name journals because that looks good in their CVs.

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>>6322157

This is the kind of shit that drove aaron shwartz to download a ton of journals using MIT's network. When he got caught the prosecutor charged him with insane crimes and threatened 30 years of prison. He killed himself.

>> No.6322198

>>6322162
most reviewers don't get paid. it's voluntary and it looks good on the Prof's CV. the better the journal, the more dicks they'll suck for it...

>> No.6322204

why pay reviewers, when there's grad students around desperate for new ideas.

>> No.6322214

>>6322165
The vast majority of journals are not Nature. The top journals pay their reviewers. There are many academics who work for shitty journals and they get paid with free publishing.

>> No.6322256

>>6321947
one trick I learned many year ago... find a uni near you and use a computer in one of the libraries, they usually have journal access. All I have ever been asked to do is prove I'm a state resident and that was the one time anybody asked, usually they just assume you are a student.

>> No.6322276

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vgbc1t7wmzn7m5v/ncomms4086.pdf

Someone asked for the article. That's it.

>> No.6322292

>>6322214
>The top journals pay their reviewers.

dollars or shekels? lolno.

>There are many academics who work for shitty journals and they get paid with free publishing.

they get free copies of journals they published their work in. that's it.