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What are your thoughts on Fermi's paradox?

>> No.6316381

>>6316374
it's like.... okay?

>> No.6316407

it's pretty cool

>> No.6316424

It assumes interstellar travel is possible, and that navigating 10^30 stars in a galaxy is easy.

It isn't a paradox. It's just dumb.

>> No.6316427

>>6316374
I forget what fermi's paradox is. Is it a real math paradox or is it some retarded physicist masturbatory shit?

>> No.6316433

>>6316427

It's some retarded UFO shit.

>So many stars, and possible areas for life
>Humans, in our 200,000 (And more like 200 years that we've actually been looking) haven't found advanced alien life, and they haven't found us

It's not a paradox, it's not even a problem. People underestimate the size of the universe. People underestimate the size of the fucking solar system.

>> No.6316449

Fermi's paradox is the surest sign that FTL travel is impossible and generation ships are infeasible.
We're stuck here and so is everyone else on their planets.

>> No.6316471

I think intelligence is not unique to Earth, but it's relatively rare, and given the distances involved....I compare it to a dozen people sitting in a completely dark warehouse at night in silence, everyone thinks they're alone.

>> No.6316477

>>6316449
I've always wondered about this. How is it calculated that a civilization should have access to FTL travel, if indeed it is even possible? I mean, has the universe existed long enough?

>> No.6316557

Why are we assuming that earth would be interesting enough to travel to? If I was a post-biological civilization, I'd probably expand towards energy sources, and approach the galactic core, like a plant grows towards the Sun. Think about how quickly our technology has increased in the last century, yet what a relatively short distance we can hope to travel in the next 100 years. Acceleration is expensive, as is technological development, it's easier to move towards the center.

>> No.6316572

>>6316374
Berserker Drones>>6316374

>> No.6316641

>>6316433
This. Even simply visualizing the radius of our radio footprint on the plane of our galaxy should be enough to put this shit into perspective. Add to it the fact that only a few of our transmissions are powerful enough to conceivably be detectable in all the cosmic noise over any sort of distance, and it becomes apparent that the problem was ill-conceived. Wrong assumptions, and a failure of imagination.

Either that, or we're just living in the short grace period before we get blasted to shit by a berserker probe.

>> No.6316661

>>6316449
I prefer to think that others are simply too dumb to solve the problems involved. Lets hope it is so, otherwise humanity is fucked.

>> No.6316670

drake equation

>> No.6316682

>height of human
>5'9

fucking manlets when will they learn
the aliens probably never replied because they're laughing at us

>> No.6316709

>>6316682
fucking asians man

>> No.6316757

>>6316661
protip: humanity is fucked anyway

>> No.6316784

>>6316757
protip: you're mom is fucked. by me

>> No.6316854

Fermi's paradox is solved by the probability of developing advanced tool use being incredibly low, us being the most advanced out there even if others have developed advanced tool use, etc. It is not really a paradox as its basic assumption could quite easily be incorrect. The assertion that the sun is a comparatively young star, for example, suffers from a few stellar generations being necessary to build up heavy elements that appear to be essential for life.

>> No.6316873

>>6316854
>Fermi's paradox is solved by the probability of developing advanced tool use being incredibly low

I think this is the most likely explanation.

I also think it is an unfounded assumption that we have not been visited by ET.

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6316884

always like to read this one

>> No.6316883

>>6316784
good one

>> No.6316886

>>6316682
please be in London

>> No.6316898

>>6316884
Opinions?
I like it.

>> No.6316938

>>6316884
The more likely answer would be that it is a waste to send undirected signals. Even Earth's radio brightness is falling quickly because we can get our transmission to go where we want them more accurately and use less energy doing so as a result.

As for why there are no "contact" messages, like the one in the OP, being beamed out, to have good power, they are very narrow broadcasts and thus hit a tiny fraction of the sky.

>> No.6316939

>>6316938
I should add that this is assuming that there is anything remotely close enough that we would hear it in the first place. It is perfectly possible that there is no one else in the neighborhood.

>> No.6317100

>>6316374

give that to the smartest people on the planet that haven't seen the key and I guarantee they will not figure out with any certainty what the fuck half of this shit means.

>> No.6317120

>>6317100
I thought the same thing. How are aliens suppose to know?

>> No.6317189

>>6317120

BC they achieved the singularity

>> No.6317201

>>6316884
"I'm not going to talk about ideas."

Proceeds to indulge in nothing but ideas.

>> No.6319031

>>6316449
Look at how long out own sun's been existing, relative to the age of the universe, and what generation of stars it's from. Could be we needed to get to a certain generation number of stars before they could make enough of the elements needed for a planet that produces intelligent, space-fairing life. And if generation ships are possible, that could easily be a several thousand year travel time between Earth and an alien civilization.

>> No.6319041

>>6316424
this
it's based on nonsense
there is no reason to assume interstellar travel will ever be anything but prohibitively costly or that aliens even have any desire to expand

>> No.6320919
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6320919

alrite niggers, listen up

i got this

The inevitable purpose of Life is happiness.

Every intelligent Life on the universe will ultimately seek it.

The time gap between learning to speak and getting to modern era is around 50000 years (assuming our History).

Upon reaching the modern-era equivalent to our 2014, technology skyrockets, and in a 200 years time gap, someone makes a machine that activates the parts in your brain that makes you happy.

And so this technology spreads around the world to the point every life on the planet is connected to this machine, and desires nothing more than being eternally happy.

The desire to contact other civilizations become futile. You are 10000% happy, why bother?

And this technology to achieving eternal happiness comes WAY, WAY, WAY before the gigantic task of interstellar travel.

The time gap from "discovering radio signals" to "eternal happiness" for any civilization is around 300 earth years.

300 years. 300 years before none cares anymore about FTL travel.

There is absolutely no other course of action for any civilization. Everyone wants the most happiness, which is achievable with technology way before FTL travel could be.

I could make this explanation better, but I guess you get my point.

Constructive criticism to my theory is welcome. Or mindless shitposting too.

QED.

>> No.6320939

>>6320919
>Every intelligent Life on the universe will ultimately seek it.

Wrong statement.

>> No.6320947

The most valid solutions IMO are Apes and Angels (that the window of opportunity to communicate is only when two species are in a period using radio, and given how fast advancement happens, that's comparatively short) and the "anthill" hypothesis (an ant in the middle of the amazon could go for a long while without seeing a human, and if it did, it wouldn't recognize why it was seeing)