So I have been reading up on transhumanism lately. What does /sci/ think about it? >psuedoscience bullshit? >inevitable future?

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Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:08:43 2014 No.6289053 [Reply] [Original]

So I have been reading up on transhumanism lately.

What does /sci/ think about it?
>psuedoscience bullshit?
>inevitable future?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:13:14 2014 No.6289058 Transhumanism is scientology for children. A cult targetting sci fi escapist dreamers of low education.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:15:43 2014 No.6289060 >>6289058 What do you consider unrealistic about it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:22:13 2014 No.6289067 >>6289053 The latter, inevitable future.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:24:14 2014 No.6289071 >>6289060 A dogmatic quasi-religious cult based on ignorance and escapism is incompatible with science and rationality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:25:13 2014 No.6289073 I take steroids, am I transhumanist?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:25:13 2014 No.6289075 >>6289053 bullshit. maybe we'll augment ourselves, but nothing that changes our existence. we already have machines that compute and lift large loads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:26:13 2014 No.6289076 >>6289053 Entropy and quantum tunneling motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:28:43 2014 No.6289078 >>6289058 >>6289071 >dat sour grapes butthurt

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:29:14 2014 No.6289080 >>6289071 You completely avoided answering my question.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:29:43 2014 No.6289081 >>6289075 >maybe we'll augment ourselves, but nothing that changes our existence. ...how is this not contradictory...?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:30:43 2014 No.6289084 >>6289053 >>>/x/ >>>/pol/ >>>/lit/ SAGE and REPORT shitposting on /sci/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:33:43 2014 No.6289088 >>6289084 Alright I just report'd you now what

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:34:44 2014 No.6289089 It makes too many assumptions about scientific progress. It just assumes these advances are going to come, in what you might call a blind faith.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 16:39:43 2014 No.6289099 >>6289089 What advances?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:15:43 2014 No.6289438 >>6289075 But if we Become a augmented to a point then can't we become augmented to the extent that we could not be considered the normal definition of "human"

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:23:14 2014 No.6289446
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it's speculative fiction. if you're reading transmetropolitan or w/e the fuck then fine. you like science fiction, that's cool

if you're listening to ray kurzweil or elizier yudkowsky or other "futurists" then you are a gullible sucker for undisciplined analysis. there is no such thing as future history

look a this goofy ass fucking plot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:24:13 2014 No.6289448 >>6289084 >SAGE and REPORT shitposting on /sci/ Commenting about a sage or report is actually reportable now. Nice try though. People who don't believe in transhumanism are fucking idiots, what do you pose as an alternative?

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:25:43 2014 No.6289451

the space of futurist bloggers or w/e is gigantic and hardly a monoculture so you're not going to get any one anon to "disprove" it in a postbox on 4chan and that's not how the burden of proof works anyway

how about you present some specific transhumanist claim you want to talk about if you want specific critique

to the extent there's any general critique all i'll say is that it's pretty easy being nostradamus

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:27:14 2014 No.6289456

>>6289448
>People who don't believe in transhumanism are fucking idiots
Oh wow. I'm an idiot because I don't follow your cult? Because I embrace reality and despise anti-intellectual escapism? You are worse than creationists.

>what do you pose as an alternative?
Science and rationality. Your religitardation has no place in the 21st century. Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:28:13 2014 No.6289458 what the fuck does it even mean to "believe" in transhumanism

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:29:13 2014 No.6289462 >>6289458 I guess it means to prefer fantasy over reality. But given their lack of intellect these children barely have another choice. They simply fail to understand science, so instead they resort to fiction.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:29:44 2014 No.6289463

Thermodynamics is the hard limit on all technology. using energy creates heat, that heat cannot be destroyed.

Thus, exponential growth is impossible. You cannot have a megawatt cell phone battery because the heat would melt the device and cause serious burns.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:30:43 2014 No.6289465 Question for the transhumanists: How much do I have to pay to Kurzweil's club in order to become an Operating Thetan?

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:32:13 2014 No.6289469

>>6289463
futurists get around this problem by claiming that the problem is a software problem, not hardware; that is, hardware that we already have/is in the R&D pipeline for the next ten years will be sufficient to exec a brain

so far as i can tell the basis for this claim is napkin math

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:32:43 2014 No.6289468 >>6289071 >A dogmatic quasi-religious cult based on ignorance and escapism is incompatible with science and rationality. TL;DR: I don't know what I'm talking about but I don't like what you're talking about, so like... fuck you!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:33:13 2014 No.6289470 >>6289465 You have to buy his books and his alkaline water therapy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:33:43 2014 No.6289473 >>6289053 >transhumanism >>>/x/ is that way

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:33:43 2014 No.6289474 >>6289081 Augmentation won't necessarily change our fundamental existence. In transhumanism my body disappears; if I augment myself (steroids, laser vision correction, etc) then my life is changed but not fundamentally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:34:14 2014 No.6289475 I like the idea, but I'm off-put by the predictions of people like Ray Kurzweil. I've taken a decidedly wait-and-see style approach.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:34:43 2014 No.6289476 >>6289467 ahaha oh my god that's amazing literally saved as amazing.gif

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:34:43 2014 No.6289478 >>6289468 That's the summation of your post, yes. Oh, are you attacking us for pointing out that the only difference between transhumanism and organized religion is the prophets espousing eternal utopian life and a virtual afterlife?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:35:13 2014 No.6289480 >>6289456 >Oh wow. I'm an idiot because I don't follow your cult? You honestly don't think we'll have the advances Kurzwiel has speculated on? >Science and Rationality Actually, what you're doing is called "rhetoric".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:35:43 2014 No.6289481 >>6289475 dude if all you're saying is "i'd like a robot body but i'm not going to listen to this rich dude talk about his fear of death" then congratulations you are a normal fucking person

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:36:13 2014 No.6289482 Literally the only difference between transhumanism and scientology is that the latter is recognized as a church in 'murrica. It's only a matter of time until the former will have the same status.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:37:13 2014 No.6289484 >>6289467 3D computing is becoming widespread which was one of his next predictions. If you haven't heard about it you need to get on >>>/g/ or stop visiting /sci/ because you're retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:37:13 2014 No.6289485 >>6289474 Augmentation will never catch on. Evidence: Anti-vaxxers. Shit, even things that directly interface with your mind will never catch on because of privacy concerns and the general public's ubiquitous scientific illiteracy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:37:43 2014 No.6289486 >>6289480 >You honestly don't think we'll have the advances Kurzwiel has speculated on? is it really so hard to believe that actual scientists don't like to speculate on unfalsfiable things that seems obvious

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:38:14 2014 No.6289487

>>6289053
Yes to both.

The vast majority of the claims of transhumanism- ESPECIALLY the ones that get all mixed up with the Singularity - are bullshit.

But the basic ideas of transhumanism are absolutely in our future. (Although nothing is ever invevitable.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:38:14 2014 No.6289488 >>6289480 Technology cannot be exponential. It is at best Sigmoid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:38:14 2014 No.6289489 >>6289481 It's not really that. I just wonder if it's all as attainable as he says. I'm not overly negative about the whole thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:38:14 2014 No.6289490 >>6289478 You still haven't provided discussion of any kind. You're just resorting to ad hominem saying that everything I say is wrong because I'm a dogmatic cultist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:39:13 2014 No.6289491 >>6289489 It's not attainable. It assumes two wrong things: Technology is exponential All humans think like transhumanists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:39:43 2014 No.6289492 >>6289490 How about you stop forcing your beliefs onto others?

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:39:43 2014 No.6289493

>>6289484
oh my god stop with the nostradamus shit

there are plenty of articles detailing how broad his claims are, how broadly he declares them correct ex post facto, and how it has often been the case that for near-future he is simply describing something that's already in the prototype stage

nostradamus predicted ww2 like 100s of years in advance man

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:40:43 2014 No.6289495 >>6289490 to be fair you haven't provided discussion either except to promote general "transhumanism" and something about how kurzweil predicted the 3rd printer (WOW AMAZE)

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:41:14 2014 No.6289496
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>>6289490

Everything you say is wrong because you're quoting a dogmatic cultist.

What, i have to teach you the basics of thermodynamics to show you how energy density cannot scale?

It's a cult. A cult based entirely on this image.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:41:43 2014 No.6289497
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>>6289485
>Augmentation will never catch on.

Okay:
>Breast enhancement
>Rhinoplasty
>Cochlear Implants
>Viagra
>Steroids
>Exoskeletons (Army)
>Peripherals (Bluetooth headsets, wearable cameras, etc)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:43:13 2014 No.6289504 >>6289497 >boob jobs on the same list as a bluetooth headset The delusion is very strong with this one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:43:43 2014 No.6289506 >>6289053 >Report submitted! This window will close in 3 seconds...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:44:14 2014 No.6289507 File: 18 KB, 240x300, 1389663852812.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6289486 >actual scientists What field do you work in, actual scientist? >Inb4 I'm a theoretical physicist

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:44:43 2014 No.6289508 >>6289506 >being this mad that everyone isn't supporting my cult of well-wishing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:45:43 2014 No.6289510 >>6289507 Holy shit the spergrage is off the charts. transhumanism is for big bang theory fans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:45:43 2014 No.6289511 >>6289508 lol, the OP is completely neutral. He just doesn't like the shape of the conversation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:45:43 2014 No.6289512 >>6289487 Fuck I'm stupid, I had this conversation with my mate a while ago and forgot that Singularity wasn't equivalent to transhumanism. I still subscribe to most of Kurzwiels shit besides.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:46:43 2014 No.6289515 >verner fucking vinge says singularity "within 30 years" in 1993 >later kurzweil predicts 2029 >in 2011 ray changes it to 2045 perpetually 3 decades away, just enough that it's "near" but far enough that it's not falsifiable

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:46:43 2014 No.6289516 >>6289510 Don't insult TBBT fans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:47:43 2014 No.6289517 >>6289516 You're right, their lives are bad enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:48:14 2014 No.6289521 >>6289507 i'm a csphd in complex networks/graph theory nice image asshole

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:48:43 2014 No.6289524 >>6289515 Vinge's best stories are the ones where the singularity never happened.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:51:13 2014 No.6289529

>>6289512
It's a really important difference.

>Singularity and Kurzweil

"HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THE EXPONENTIALS CLEARLY WE WILL BE AS GODS IN A FEW DECADES BECAUSE MOORE'S LAW APPLIES TO EVERYTHING"

>Transhumanism

Trying to make humans better than they currently are. Covers a whole lot of stuff, much of it fairly non-controversial.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:52:13 2014 No.6289533
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>>6289524
if the best narrative reality is one in which the singularity never happens will the godbrain be paradoxically obligated to recreate a world without itself

HAS THIS ALREADY HAPPENED?

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:53:14 2014 No.6289540

>>6289529
see this is why i said you need to talk about something specific if you want a specific critique
>what does /sci/ think about pacemakers?
>what does /sci/ think about artificial limbs?
>what does /sci/ think about putting my brain inside a robot tiger's body? will i be...more than human?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:53:43 2014 No.6289539 >>6289533 No, it's because most stories can't be done in a post-singularity world. which is why almost all of the culture books take place on it's periphery.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:57:13 2014 No.6289548

>>6289529
>Trying to make humans better than they currently are

Childish escapism fantasies are not making humans better. People like you are a drain on society.

What makes humans better are scientists working on actual research. Anti-intellectual fantasy and fiction children who want to play pretend are a waste of resources.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:57:14 2014 No.6289546

>>6289539
>most stories can't be done in a post-singularity world
i don't see why not, sci fi worlds in general and vinge is no different in this regard have always been fantasy so if you're going to make up a reality to support your narrative who cares whether or not its simulated by a hypothetical godbrain. everything else is hypothetical

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:57:43 2014 No.6289547 China is coming close to transhumanism. They're a culture that doesn't worship self. That's the only way forward.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:59:13 2014 No.6289551

>>6289546

They can't be done because what sort of meaningful conflicts can peoples have when everything is provided for them by robots a hundred billion times smarter than they are?

Again, this is why the culture books rarely occur within the culture, and why some of vinge's books have the Zones of thought. You need conflict for a story to be interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 20:59:13 2014 No.6289553 >>6289547 >They're a culture that doesn't worship self. >That's the only way forward. We in the west are doomed, then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:00:13 2014 No.6289555 >>6289548 >What makes humans better are scientists working on actual research But they're only doing it to make money. Most scientists are petty shits.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:00:13 2014 No.6289556

>>6289547
>China is a culture that doesn't worship the self
so like
a. china is a country of 1.35 billion people, it's not a monoculture
and
b. an influential group of those people are hypercapitalist second-generation wealth. see "my dad is li gang":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Gang_incident
this incident is famous precisely because it's considered symbolic of the chinese upper class's callous attitude towards the populace

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:01:43 2014 No.6289560 >>6289553 That should be obvious by now. China is the only country to land something on the moon for peaceful reasons.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:02:44 2014 No.6289561

>>6289540
I'm a little dubious that technology will ever get to the point that it would actually make sense to replace perfectly healthy body parts with artificial ones.

Benefits a natural, say, arm has:

1. Extremely cheap (you're born with it)
2. Largely self-repairing
3. Almost never breaks down or requires spare parts
4. Extremely low power usage; does not require batteries
5. Light
6. Very high sensory output across whole surface
7. Very high dexterity and fine motor contro
8. Reasonably strong (configurable with effort)
9. Whisper-quiet

While we may one day develop artificial body parts which are superior in one or two of these respects to healthy human body parts, I don't think we'll ever get ALL - or even most - of those checkboxes ticked off. So I don't think we'll ever get really far into the transhumanist utopia so many people fantasize about. (Although we may develop really good prosthetics to people WITHOUT healthy body parts.)

I think, however, that transhumanist concepts have a future in giving people new capabilities, like additional senses. The brain has extremely high plasticity, and so I think that there's actually both the ability and the use of plugging new systems into the nervous system.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:02:44 2014 No.6289562 >>6289556 >being ambitious is bad. No wonder amercia never left LEO after beating the russians.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:03:43 2014 No.6289563

>>6289555
From your post it is obvious that you never had to deal with financial problems. I guess your parents are still paying everything for you and you never had to care about how much money you're allowed to spend or where to get money. In a few years you'll know why money is important. Welcome to real life, kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:04:13 2014 No.6289567 >>6289561 This. Thermodynamics will not permit a battery with sufficient size, charge, and weight to run a robot body all day, much less for years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:04:13 2014 No.6289568 >>6289556 like this is a developing country with a massive widening income disparity gap and an upper class known for its corruption but "the culture doesn't worship the self" chinese politicians and rich people suck as much as western ones dude

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:05:13 2014 No.6289570 >>6289563 Holy shit all the mad. I know perfectly well why money is important, which is why science is no more noble than pizza delivery. You're projecting immensely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:06:13 2014 No.6289571 >>6289568 >le edgy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:06:43 2014 No.6289572 >>6289567 Thermodynamics clearly permits energy storage with sufficient size, energy density, and weight to run a human body all day. (Although we usually charge it up more than once per day.) Why not a robot body with that capability?

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:06:43 2014 No.6289573

>>6289562
you know it's pretty telling that's what you'd get out of the li gang incident

you know the stereotype of 2nd generation chinese upper class is that they're lazy and unambitious because they're already made right

china had a dream of a society where a farmer's son could get a college education and raise his family out of poverty with merit and that dream has been in shambles for years

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:06:43 2014 No.6289574 >>6289570 Your post is very immature. May I ask how old are you? Are you aware that 4chan is an 18+ forum?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:08:14 2014 No.6289576 >>6289571 ahaha are you serious informed opinions on global socioeconomics are "edgy" now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:09:13 2014 No.6289579 >>6289576 >>6289573 Shitposter's gotta shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:10:44 2014 No.6289582 >>6289572 Why not just stay human?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:11:13 2014 No.6289583 >>6289582 live 4ever

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:12:13 2014 No.6289584 >>6289583 God, why?

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:12:14 2014 No.6289586

>>6289582
I'd actually prefer to stick with the meat I've been given - frankly, It's doing a pretty good job, and anything "transhuman" I would want to get would involve adding things I don't already have, not replacing things that are working just fine for me.

I was just asking why you thought thermodynamics prohibited that, since it's obviously possible for humans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:15:28 2014 No.6289588 >>6289586 If we made a "machine" that had the same efficiency as a biological body it would be comprised of very similar materials. It would just be an artificial human body.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:16:54 2014 No.6289591 Are nootropics considered to be transhumanist augmentation? When will we see them available as cheap over-the-counter supplements?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:18:24 2014 No.6289592 >>6289591 When politics changes. All transhumanism assumes that everyone will eventually think like transhumanists, so all these crazy idea will be implemented.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:18:24 2014 No.6289593 >>6289584 live to see cool technology, experience infinite pleasure, become god, achieve enlightenment

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:18:54 2014 No.6289594 >>6289588 And what would be the problem with that? >>6289591 Yes, they are considered to be, and we'll see them available when they're actually proven to do fuck-all.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:21:24 2014 No.6289597

>>6289594

We'll have spent billions of dollars to achieve what two dumb teenagers could do in 9 months?

>>6289593
>live to see cool technology
Like mindwipes that keep employees motivated.

>experience infinite pleasure
really?

>become god, achieve enlightenment

Fucking really?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:22:54 2014 No.6289598 >>6289597 look i'm just channeling the ghost of transhumanism here of course it's going to be bullshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:25:54 2014 No.6289600 >>6289594 Piracetam has a number of clinical studies that demonstrated several positive cognitive effects

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:26:25 2014 No.6289602 >>6289560 >tfw I don't really mind at this point I think I'll enjoy watching all these piss-ant politicians and "leaders" scramble to delay the inevitable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:30:54 2014 No.6289607 >>6289560 China landed on the moon for dick-waving reasons, same as the US.

Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:32:25 2014 No.6289609

>>6289602

Notice how everyone you meet has some nonsense keeping them going? religion, exponential tech, everyone going to space, aliens coming to fix us, everyone has some personal false belief that they rely upon.

Mine is that tomorrow has a chance of being better than today. What's yours?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:33:24 2014 No.6289612 >>6289607 Then all scientific achievement is dick-waving. It is, by the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:34:24 2014 No.6289614 >>6289609 karma, but like a complex existentialist karma that involves memetic natural selection and shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:35:54 2014 No.6289616 >cyber trash tainting the purity of human potential Seriously though, we can't even trust smartphones anymore. And you want to put one inside your brain or something? Goodbye last remnant of privacy, hello thought police.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:36:54 2014 No.6289618 >>6289616 >brain's trusted protected module copyright RSA boy do i have egg on my face

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:40:54 2014 No.6289626 >>6289616 It won't even have to have that capability. Like vaccines, someone just has to start a rumor and human fear will do the rest. The problem with transhumanists is that they don't know any humans.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Mon Jan 13 21:46:54 2014 No.6289636

you don't understand what pseudoscience is, do you

spiritualism or phrenology are pseudoscience, while transhumanism is a philosophy, it doesn't try to explain stuff using some dubious methods, it just tries to predict how scientific progress will affect human body

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 21:52:54 2014 No.6289646 >>6289636 But philosophy is all nonsense. qualia and "subjective" shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 13 23:52:55 2014 No.6289835 Is technology an inevitable thing of advanced minds?

Anonymous Tue Jan 14 00:03:54 2014 No.6289849

>>6289835
I understand that you weren't looking for a serious answer but, technology is an invention of inferior beings to support themselves living in harsh environments. It's why people in Africa and the Americas were mostly mud people when they were colonized by seafaring nations.
Minds, no matter how advanced, will not develop technology if they don't see the need to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 14 00:36:25 2014 No.6289890 >>6289835 Doing a lot of abstract thought wouldn't be a survival trait without some basic tool use. That is unless the environment is just inherently a highly complex and deadly puzzle by itself.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Tue Jan 14 00:45:24 2014 No.6289899

>>6289849
what a bullshit

i mean the purpose of technology to extend somebody's possibilities is obvious but your findings are ridiculous as well as their premises, you mean that america has a less harsh environment than europe or what

and you dare to call that a serious answer

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 14 05:15:24 2014 No.6290057 >>6289636 Cultist and religious "philosophies" are dangerous and anti-scientific.

Anonymous Tue Jan 14 19:13:07 2014 No.6291437

>>6289053
I honestly don't give a shit about augmentation, immortality and such. I do not fear death. But if I could choose one thing to do in this life, it would be to explore other planets and solar systems, to see other life forms. This may seem a childish dream, and, well, it is, but I don't regret it. Unfortunately, we're born in an era in which this is, simply, impossible. This is the reason why I support transhumanism. It is the only chance that I have. I'm aware of all the shit that it brings (Kurzweil, singularity, etc), and I'm sorry for that.

Sorry guys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 14 19:16:36 2014 No.6291442 >>6291437 What a bullshit answer. So you "don't fear death," except that you do. And transhumanism is shit, except that you support it. Dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 14 19:20:07 2014 No.6291454 >>6290057 >religious "philosophies" 0/10

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 14 19:31:06 2014 No.6291482 >>6291442 What's wrong with fearing death?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 14 19:32:37 2014 No.6291487 >>6291482 Only edgy teenagers fear death. Grow up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 14 19:35:37 2014 No.6291496 >>6291437 >explore other planets and solar systems, to see other life forms mah niggah

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 14 19:38:06 2014 No.6291504 >>6291482 >What's wrong with fearing death? Nothing. Some people just have sour grapes, where they know they're going to grow old and die, so they convince themselves it's better that way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 14 19:45:06 2014 No.6291518 >>6291487 Compelling argument

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 15 12:48:34 2014 No.6292782 >>6291442 Seriously, I don't care. At least, I really didn't until some month ago, when I discovered that my impossibile dream gained a 0.01% chance to become possibile. That's all.

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