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So France just found a solution for the first cause of mortality in the world. People won't have to hope for a kid to die in a car crash so they can steal his heart.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20131220005702/en/First-in-Man-Implantation-CARMAT%E2%80%99s-Bioprosthetic-Artificial-Heart

>> No.6238695

>implying this is the first artificial heart implantation

>> No.6238698

>>6238695
Yes, this is the first fully artificial heart implantion.

This is something we can mass produce and use on everyone. That wasn't the case with previous artificial hearts.

>> No.6238700

>>6238689
>will cost 140,000 - 180,000 Euros

>approx $200,000 Americlap dollarydoos

Congratulations, you've solved the problem of heart failure in rich people. Good job.

>> No.6238703

>>6238700
Well, not a problem when you have a real healthcare system.

Like France.

>> No.6238716

>>6238700
> first cars cost millions of dollars
> "congratulations, you've solved the problem of transportation for rich people"

fucking retard

>> No.6238718

>>6238703
this, top kek at americlaps

>> No.6238721

French people will be the first augs

>> No.6238726
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>>6238721
Too late. Other people got there first.

>> No.6238732

>>6238726
It's not an augs. Augs are supposed to be BETTER than the original. This crappy arm can't replace a real one.

Artificial heart is better and stronger than the original.

>> No.6238733

>>6238726

That is still inferior to a natural arm, though.

>> No.6238737

>>6238732
No it's not. The artificial heart is only better than the original because those people had shitty hearts already.

>> No.6238740

>>6238737
It's easier to repair than a normal heart and it can't have any heart disease. It's better.

>> No.6238748

>>6238740
Artificial arms are easier to repair than normal arms and can't get gangrene. They're better.

>> No.6238749

>>6238740

A wooden peg leg is easier to repair than a foot and you can't sprain your angle. It's better.

>> No.6238753

>>6238740
Then go ahead and repair it. Oh, wait. You can't because you're just a stupid science fan kid who studies liberal arts and writes in his science blog to look intellectual. Hope you get an infarction so you can die without one of your shitty prototype heart prosthesis.

>> No.6238751

>>6238748
>>6238749
>hivemind

>> No.6238762

>>6238748
>>6238749
A leg or an arm can do many things, an heart has just one purpose. You can feel with an artificial arm, you don't have sensations with a wooden leg... that's not a problem with heart.

>> No.6238763

>>6238753
Do you realise how stupid you sound ?

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>>6238762
>He doesn't know the functions of the heart.

>> No.6238787

>>6238768
It pumps blood and distribute it. And artificial heart can do exactly that. CARMAT heart can even adapt rythm to the patient activity.

>> No.6238796

>>6238787
It is also three times the size and weight of a normal heart, and actually can't even fit in 20% of male patients and 80% of women, and requires that you have a wire sticking through a hole in your skin (with a high risk of infection) to a pack of lithium-ion batteries that you must carry with you at all times or your heart will stop beating.

>> No.6238799

>>6238796
Also, it'll wear out faster than a normal heart will.

A biological heart costs exactly $0 to install, and $0 to maintain, unless it breaks, which is rarely and will usually happen only once in a lifetime.

CARMAT costs $200,000 to install, as well as constant maintenance which will also be expensive and require opening up your chest.

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>>6238787
>It pumps blood and distribute it.
>He actually believes this is it's only function

>> No.6238806

>>6238787
>not knowing about natriuretic peptides
Fucking pleb.

>> No.6238827

Where are you getting that it "works better?" The article just says the patient is awake and talking. That's a lot better than dead, but not something you need a healthy heart for.

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>>6238787
I don't think you know what youre talking about

>> No.6238893

>>6238806
>natriuretic peptides
An artificial heart obviously doesn't need that to regulate arterial pressure

>> No.6238951

Would constant flow heart implant work?

>> No.6239572

>>6238827
Toxin resistance? There's probably some snake venom it makes you effectively immune to.

>> No.6239573

>>6238951
Yeah, and it'd be cheaper and easier too. They're being tried in human patients right now.

>> No.6239664

>>6238700

Give it time broseph. The cost will lessen over time as the materials and methods used for production are refined. It's ridiculously expensive because it's still experimental.

>> No.6239667

>>6238799
>CARMAT costs $200,000 to install, as well as constant maintenance which will also be expensive and require opening up your chest

Yeah, about this. What if something goes wrong? And what about just regular checkups? Someone's going to have to undergo invasive open heart surgery for routine maintenance checks, which I would assume will be commonplace seeing as how vital and new this technology is for the patients.

>> No.6239668

>>6238951

How would that even work?

>> No.6239676

>>6238700
That's about the same cost as regular old heart surgery. Consider the cost of having a team to dig out a living heart, preserving it for the requisite length of time, transporting it, and implanting it on a very tight schedule. Now replace that with the ability to manufacture something and use it at your leisure.

>> No.6239705

>>6239667
Well, if that becomes too much of an issue, you could theoretically have the artificial heart installed outside of the body, right? Or at least have it exposed. I mean, if it's aesthetics vs repeated invasive surgery, I know what I'd choose...

>> No.6239714

>>6239667
>Someone's going to have to undergo invasive open heart surgery for routine maintenance checks

Much like a pacemaker or internal defibrillator, I imagine they're able to check on an artificial heart via external diagnostics, actually opening the patient up would be restricted to replacement.

Personally, I think the future will be in growing new organs for patients with their own tissue.

>> No.6239737

As someone who has had open heart surgery and who has an artificial valve, I'm very happy to see this. Not becausebinthink its a miracle cure for heart problems, but because it's a step in the right direction.

Just like there was a time when we thought we'd never find a way to defeat cancer and look how far we've come.