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Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:23:31 2013 No.6226445 [DELETED]

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Can you be atheist person and claim you are rational person at the same time? In my objective opinion no. What are you're thoughts on this matter?

t: agnostic

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:32:30 2013 No.6226466 Why is it irrational to not believe in something that has no evidence for its existence? Is it irrational that I don't believe in unicorns?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:36:30 2013 No.6226472 >>6226466 No evidence that it exists but no evidence that says it cant exist either wheres the evidence that the big bang actually happened and the universe just exploded out of nothing

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:37:00 2013 No.6226477 It's false that people believed the world was flat before 1500. Even the ancient Egyptians and Mayans knew the world was round.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:38:30 2013 No.6226478

>>6226466
There is plenty evidence of intelligent design. Not to mention majority of earth's population believe in him. You can't declare that something doesn't exist just because you can't at this moment prove it doesn't. You can have doubts, but then you're not an atheist, but agnosti, because you acknowledge the possibility that god may exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:42:32 2013 No.6226485 >>6226478 >There is plenty evidence of intelligent design. Like?

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:42:32 2013 No.6226486
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>>6226478
>You can't declare that something doesn't exist just because you can't at this moment prove it doesn't.

Yes I can, until it is proven otherwise.

Now go kill yourself and when you are in front of your god tell him to revive you and then come back and tell me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:44:31 2013 No.6226488 >>6226485 Animals, you tard

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:45:00 2013 No.6226492

>>6226478
There are tons of different Gods that have been created and discarded, and many different ones being worshiped today. Which one is the real one? Are they all real? How can we be sure? And please inform us of all the evidence for intelligent design.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:51:30 2013 No.6226501 >>6226485 >>6226492 Like the laws, how did order come from chaos? Repeating infinite logical patterns. >>6226486 You can declare that it's your opinion, but that's all it is, your opinion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:51:30 2013 No.6226502 >>6226488 They're evidence of evolution by natural selection, actually.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:53:30 2013 No.6226507

>>6226472
>>6226445

When you propose the existence of something, it's not atheists' job to "disprove" it. The burden of proof is on the religtards. Just like you when you say, "no evidence that says it cant exist either". Science isn't limited only to direct observations. Scientists gather inferences to come to ideas for the big bang from the way subatomic building blocks behave to Hubble's Law that says galaxies travel away to their redshift until their light can no longer reach us. But the big unraveling of time and space could have never actually happened, but it did some how. How exactly? We don't know. We have no idea. But how is "no evidence that says it cant exist either" more of a case for the Judea Christian God than it is for the Flying Spaghetti Monster? How is that even repeatable OP? Protip: It's not, so you should probably leave /sci/ and migrate to /x/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:55:00 2013 No.6226510 >>6226501 You not understanding something is not evidence for a creator.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:58:31 2013 No.6226512 >>6226507 But you just just confirmed that agnosticism is the only rational stance, as atheism and theism are equally irrational. Thank you for agreeing with me :) There is no rational atheism, only rational agnosticism :)))

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:00:30 2013 No.6226513 File: 10 KB, 500x341, 1387076404426.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6226512 See pic, there are more than 3 stances on the matter. What you are referring to agnostic, is in fact agnostic atheist.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:00:30 2013 No.6226514

>>6226445

Is it irrational to not believe in the tooth fairy?

Is it irrational that I don't believe in Santa?

Is it irrational that I don't believe that Megan Fox is standing outside my door right now in a pink onesie waiting to fuck me?

I have no evidence for or against any one of these right now. I don't claim to know whether any are true but I definitely don't believe any of them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:00:30 2013 No.6226515 >>6226512 define atheism, please

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:01:00 2013 No.6226518 >1500 AD The ancient goddamn egyptians knew it was round buttmunch

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:02:01 2013 No.6226521 File: 23 KB, 425x295, 1387076549523.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6226445 actually, about 600 years before christ the fact the earth is round was known.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:02:30 2013 No.6226520

>>6226510
I didn't say creator, I said intelligent design. The laws governing this universe are logical and intelligent, part of an order. In quantum test it has been shown that without observation particles exist in a state of chaos, but when they are perceived they get order. Therefore universe can only get order through perception, otherwise it would be in a state of chaos, which it clearly isn't.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:03:00 2013 No.6226522

>>6226520
>In quantum test it has been shown that without observation particles exist in a state of chaos, but when they are perceived they get order.
someone has been watching to much pop science.
how the fuck do people get teh double slit tehory so fucked up?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:03:00 2013 No.6226524 >>6226515 lack of belief in god. However that definition no longer applies to modern atheism as majority of modern atheist deny god in it's entirity.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:03:30 2013 No.6226525

>>6226512
You seem to define atheism as the stance that it is 100 percent certain that no god exists. When arguing with atheists, I think you better start accepting that there is a definition of atheism that is only a tiny bit less narrow than yours, that is still considered atheism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:06:30 2013 No.6226529 >>6226514 >ave no evidence for or against any one of these right now. I don't claim to know whether any are true but I definitely don't believe any of them. Isn't that the definition of irrational?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:06:30 2013 No.6226530 >>6226472 >>wheres the evidence http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/media/060911/PowerSpectrum300.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleosynthesis#Big_Bang_nucleosynthesis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtrYF_hxxUM

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:16:01 2013 No.6226547

>>6226529

If that's what you want to make your definition yes. But I guess that would also make me irrational for not believing in a pussy monster hiding underneath my bed.

If that is indeed the case, then I think any 'rational' person is clearly insane.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:16:01 2013 No.6226548

>>6226512
You beat around my questions for you so read carefully. All atheism is is a standpoint that demands proof from the religious who claim that their imaginary friend is part of reality; nothing more. So by definition, you're saying that disagreeing with such claims is irrational. I said -- for argument's sake -- that the big bang could have never actually happened. You confirmed already by saying, "wheres the evidence that the big bang actually happened and the universe just exploded out of nothing" that you don't know much about the big bang. Neil Degrasse Tyson even says in one of his youtube videos that he considers himself to be more of an agnostic. I know agnostics who understand the case for the big bang and are rational in their stance, but hold their own definition for the term "god". Which relates to shit like Higgs bosons and mechanisms and shit that is repeatable that can be brought to a laboratory than a personal, insecure god-being who made planet Earth 6,000 years ago, wrote a little book in a dumbed down stupefied illiterate part of the Middle East, who cares about who you're sleeping with and who you jerk off to.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:17:00 2013 No.6226550
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>>6226501
>You can declare that it's your opinion, but that's all it is, your opinion.

No, it's a fact.

If there was a god, he'd manifested himself long ago, and he'd fixed his buggy creation.

If he is all powerful, of course.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:18:01 2013 No.6226553

>>6226525
Positive atheism is like religion, negative atheism reduces god to the same category as unicorns and elves.

Skepticism is the main concept here, atheism is merely a subclass of skepticism regarding the dogma of god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_atheism

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:18:01 2013 No.6226554 >>6226525 That doesnt really make sense for a word that literally means 'Without God(s)'

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:19:30 2013 No.6226556 http://www.4chan.org/rules#sci3 pls report

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:21:30 2013 No.6226560 File: 128 KB, 308x308, 1387077683379.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6226445 10/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:34:30 2013 No.6226585 >>6226477 greeks too

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 22:45:30 2013 No.6226599 >>6226477 This. The ancient Greeks even calculated how large the planet's sphere was, and were within 1%.

>>	Anonymouѕ Sat Dec 14 22:47:30 2013 No.6226604 >>6226445 >Earth is flat >scientific fact till 1500 AD Prime bait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 23:08:30 2013 No.6226635 File: 2 KB, 126x101, 1387080506702.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6226488 >only a person can create something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 23:18:30 2013 No.6226654 >>6226445 Science makes everyone look like a BITCH

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 23:20:30 2013 No.6226661 >>6226445 >Earth is flat >Scientific fact until 1500 AD Just kill me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 23:23:30 2013 No.6226668 http://vimeo.com/69970735

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