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How did the Germans aim their rockets?

I'm more of a bio and math guy than a physics person, so maybe that's the reason, but I can't figure out how they aimed them (very successfully, given the context) because

A)No targeting control system
B)No way of remotely targeting
C)No course correction

Was it just all estimating thrust and lift combined with the rocket's drag and G?

I'm very curious as to how they pulled it off

>> No.6177883

I wonder the same.
I know that they used long ramps to give the rockets an angle (The brits took a lot of photos of german occupied lands to find the camoflauged ramps for v2 rockets)

How they actually just launched a bunch off rockets from the coast that later hit cities. I am well aware that they missed very often and that a percentage actually did some casualties.

>> No.6177884

>>6177872
Ballistically. The fins stabilize it, like the spin of an American Football. With this, direction is just direction of launch. If we assume that the force from the engine is consistent, then range is just a function of angle of launch.

>> No.6177887

It was a kind of ballistic missile. It was kept (almost) stable on course with gyroscopes and were time-controlled. A timer engaged the airbrakes after a pre-calculated time, causing it to crash/to bomb the city. It was quite an unprecise weapon, it only hit London because London is so large... There are several good youtube vids on this topic.

>> No.6177888
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>>6177883
The V1 missed a lot, it was more very-long range artillery than what we think of as a missile

Apparently this gave them a boost to accuracy:
Leitstrahl-Guide Beam apparatus

Let me look for the stats

pic: popsci

I'm still fuzzy as to what Leitstrahl-Guide Beam apparatus is though

Oh wait, 1945. That's probably not accurate then

>> No.6177891

Gyroscopes.

>> No.6177916

>>6177884
So they would calculate the distance, then determine the thrust, and with that you can land it anywhere in front of it (within range) by changing the angle?

>>6177887
>>6177891

I'm not sure how gyroscopes work. Could you elaborate? I get the airbrake part though

So in the event of a strong gust of wind it won't hit the city, right

>> No.6177930

>>6177916
>>6177916
A gyroscope has a fast spinning element (like a spinning top), which is stable in the spinning axle. If the rocket moves to the side you can measure and compensate the resulting force or position change of the axle of the gyroscope. The airbrake-thing was used on the V1-Rocket, the V2 as in your picture was controlled by switching the rocket engine off, either by timer or by remote signal.

>> No.6177939

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket#Technical_details
>The V-2 was guided by four external rudders on the tail fins, and four internal graphite vanes at the exit of the motor. The LEV-3 guidance system consisted of two free gyroscopes (a horizontal and a vertical) for lateral stabilization, and a PIGA accelerometer to control engine cutoff at a specified velocity. The V-2 was launched from a pre-surveyed location, so the distance and azimuth to the target were known. Fin 1 of the missile was aligned to the target azimuth.

>Some later V-2s used "guide beams", radio signals transmitted from the ground, to keep the missile on course, but the first models used a simple analog computer that adjusted the azimuth for the rocket, and the flying distance was controlled by the timing of the engine cut-off, "Brennschluss", ground controlled by a Doppler system or by different types of on-board integrating accelerometers. The rocket stopped accelerating and soon reached the top of the approximately parabolic flight curve.

Check wikipedia first.

>> No.6177945

>>6177916
http://scienceblogs.com/dotphysics/2008/12/26/what-angle-should-you-throw-a-football-for-maximum-range/

Though >>6177939 make this moot.

There you go: the gyros keep the missile pointed it the right direction and the burn time was varied to change flight range (which could be precomputed).

>> No.6178689

>>6177872
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph-npS29n9Q

>> No.6178695

Read Gravity's Rainbow

>> No.6178696

Just imagine if the Nazis had 2 - 4 more years.

>> No.6178714

>>6178696
would have been bankrupt and out of jew slaves

>> No.6178718

>>6178689
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj2QVgfyXik

Rocket Porn (^_^)

>> No.6178749

>>6178696
They did developed the atomic bomb first, but most German scientist didn't like the idea of giving Hitler a mass destruction weapon.

They developed most known nerve bio-weapons, and manufacturer tons of it. They didn't use it as well, who knows why.

Nazi communications were far superior than allied ones, and only cracked down by German traitors who gave the British the info on how it worked.

Some aircraft and tanks were using night vision during war. Jets, missiles and bombers prototypes using breaking ground tech worked, but it was too late.

German industrial power was intact even the last days. They used engineers to design underground structures capable of resist constant bombings. That's why allies were so desperate to cut off their energy. Because they started to buy more minerals and demand more energy.

And sanctions were useless. Many neutral and allied nations send magnesium ships to Germany, because the payment was in gold at a generous price (Jewish expropriated gold).

>> No.6178755

>>6178749
>Because they started to buy more minerals and spawn more overlords.

>> No.6178761

>>6178755
and spawn more guns

>> No.6178766

>>6178749
They designed an atomic bomb first. Actually producing them is kind of a big job. German command decided not to prioritize it because they expected a short war, and therefore concluded that the atomic bomb wouldn't be ready in time to affect the outcome of the war.

As the war stretched on, the bomb development effort was effectively sabotaged by Allied forces, particularly depriving them of the heavy water they needed for their planned reactor.

>> No.6178767

>>6178755
http://books.google.com.pe/books?id=vh7sx2xtjGEC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=nazi+magnesium&source=bl&ots=DO1VGJfjmo&sig=aKyCUeoJLmj7PWPkAT7Qpb_5SAs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gpiRUoeqMIqhkQfp44HQDg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=nazi%20magnesium&f=false


Check page 96

>> No.6178776

>>6178766
Where do you think the enriched uranium come from during the Manhattan project? It came from a captured submarine. As well as Enigmas.

Also submarines were used to transport important goods. Like silver and gold to other countries.

>> No.6178777

>>6178767
I dont see any mention of overlords...

>> No.6178781

>>6178776
>...and the Holocaust didn't happen! Hitler personally piloted the planes on 9/11! All four of them! With time travel!

>> No.6178788

>>6178776
Everyone knows that the Americans didn't invent real atomic weapons during WW2, they just made a secret agreement with the Japanese to blow up two minor cities by filling warehouses with crates of conventional explosives and radioactive dust, in exchange for decades of American-supported prosperity.

>> No.6178799

>>6178781
You are stupid. There is plenty evidence of submarines that carried gold and silver as well as radioactive reading in a island near Germany. With local reports of seeing a intense bright light.

We are talking about the WW2 era.

...They laughed of Russian engineers who tried to sell 25 years old reactors after the collapse of the URSS, arguing that it efficiency was +25% than the late american tech.

>> No.6178807

>>6178799
We know where the enriched uranium came from for the Manhattan Project.

They ran calutrons (and borrowed the silver reserve to wind the coils), they developed a diffusion process, and they developed a centrifuge process. It cost a ridiculous fucking fortune to make enough for one bomb, because they didn't know a good way to do it at first.

It's well documented, and doesn't require any wild-eyed conspiracy theories. If they had stolen it from the Nazis, they'd have BRAGGED about it. They certainly weren't shy about admitting plundering other Nazi technology.

>> No.6178819

>>6178807
http://english.pravda.ru/history/10-05-2011/117849-atomic_bomb-0/

Germany used a more cheap and slow method than the centrifuge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2014146/Nazi-nuclear-waste-Hitlers-secret-A-bomb-programme-mine.html

Allies didn't BRAGGED about the G-Series loot.

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>>6178819
Pravda and Daily Fail?

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>>6178788