animals experience conscious thought

[Anonymous No.6171084]

http://altering-perspectives.com/2013/11/scientists-sign-declaration-animals-conscious-awareness-just-like-humans.html

[Anonymous No.6171087]

An international group of prominent scientists has signed The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness in which they are proclaiming their support for the idea that animals are conscious and aware to the degree that humans are — a list of animals that includes all mammals, birds, and even the octopus. But will this make us stop treating these animals in totally inhumane ways?

[Anonymous No.6171093]

While it might not sound like much for scientists to declare that many nonhuman animals possess conscious states, it’s the open acknowledgement that’s the big news here. The body of scientific evidence is increasingly showing that most animals are conscious in the same way that we are, and it’s no longer something we can ignore.

[Anonymous No.6171104]

What’s also very interesting about the declaration is the group’s acknowledgement that consciousness can emerge in those animals that are very much unlike humans, including those that evolved along different evolutionary tracks, namely birds and some cephalopods.

[Anonymous No.6171115]

How do you make a claim that animals are conscious and agree on it if no one knows what consciousness is.

Nowhere in science is there an actual explanation for it, just theories.

[Anonymous No.6171119]

Stop samefagging OP. Nobody gives a shit because everybody already knows that higher animals are conscious. This changes nothing and doesn't make me care any more or less and about cruelty. The only people that think humans have some completely unique abilities that sprung from nothing are religious fundies

[Anonymous No.6171124]

The absence of a neocortex does not appear to preclude an organism from experiencing affective states,” they write, “Convergent evidence indicates that non-human animals have the neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors.”

>>6171115
>>6171115

Couldn't it be defined as the ability to make decisions NOT based feelings or instincts?

[Anonymous No.6171131]

>>6171119
>>6171119
samefaggin is when a person pretends to be multiple persons in an effort to promote theirselves. not to mention im quoting the article for those who dont want to visit the website.

[Anonymous No.6171135]

>>6171124
there's no proof that humans make decisions not based on feelings or instincts

[Anonymous No.6171145]

>>6171135
>>6171135
What if i pick up a cup, an empty cup, and just stare at you? A cup is a tool. If its empty its not being used. the action is clearly not being fuled by hunger or thirst because its empty. i havn't atacked you with or offered it as a gift to you. I have not offered you to observe the cup in its splendid nor abhorrent nature. What possible emotion of instinct could cause me to make such an action?

[Anonymous No.6171151]

>>6171145
Ooh shit, what now SON?

[Anonymous No.6171158]

>>6171145
Competition is an instinct. Debate is competition. You pick up the cup as evidence to support your side of the debate.

[Anonymous No.6171168]

>>6171158
>>6171158
Your saying humans are instinctually disagree able, and that disagree is competition. i dissagree with both of your statements.

[Anonymous No.6171188]

>>6171168
But I would not have thought of picking that cup if I were not arguing with you. I reacted to an external stimuli.

[Anonymous No.6171191]

>animals experience conscious thought

What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

[Anonymous No.6171199]

>>6171188
>>6171188
i conceed your point that the cup was picked up only as a way of proving my point, and that picking up the cup out of this context would serve no purpose however, i fail to see why the driving nature of the for mentioned action should serve to disqualify the action it self from being driven by non-emotional, non-instinctual reasons.

[Anonymous No.6171234]

>>6171199
But it was driven by emotion, as >>6171158 said, a debate is competition, and taking the cup was a way to understand the point you were making. It was in no way meaningless as you try to imply.

[Anonymous No.6171278]

>>6171234
i dont believe that i was concluding that the action was meaningless but that it was founded by reason and logic rather than base emotion or instinct, but seeing as how proving something can be seen as a way of ''winning'' and thus competative i conceed that my example was indeed flawed, however i still retain the thought that humans can* make decisions not based on emotion or instinct.

[Anonymous No.6171282]

I don't think anyone disputed the fact that any life is conscious. The degree of consciousness however is a different question entirely.

[Anonymous No.6171296]

>>6171084
>animals experience conscious thought

isn't that obvious? anyone who has pets can realize that in a day.

[Anonymous No.6171307]

>animals are conscious
Everyone in the entire fucking world already knew this

Now shout up while I enjoy my burger

[Anonymous No.6171313]

>>6171278
>i still retain the thought that humans can* make decisions not based on emotion or instinct.
Give another exemple then

[Anonymous No.6171342]

>>6171282
>I don't think anyone disputed the fact that any life is conscious.

You must be new here. There's a troll who comes here every day claiming he's not conscious, and will argue for hours at a time.

[Anonymous No.6171362]

>>6171313
>>6171313
obedient actions.

I would also like the bring up the possibility of mind altering drugs which could cause a person to lose his conscious state of mind and become an echoing chamber.

[Anonymous No.6171383]

>>6171362
Obedient actions come from fear of the consequence of disobedience

[Anonymous No.6171391]

>>6171383
>>6171383
What consequence does a small child fear from teachers or its parental figures?

[Anonymous No.6171397]

>>6171391
He doesn't know, it's from instinct.

[Anonymous No.6171452]

>>6171342
I've seen that troll. But you have to ask yourself whether trolls count.

[Anonymous No.6171474]

>>6171397
>>6171397
I think an offspring fearing for its safety from its parent goes against everything we know about maternal instinct. Mothers have rutinely been shown to risk their own lives for their offspring and go out of their way to provide for it. Its accepted as the norm.

[Anonymous No.6171508]

>>6171474
Fear from teacher come from fear of authority.
Now that I think about it, obedience to parental figure come from basic survival instinct while the child is growing, and disobedience appear at sexual maturity (10-12 years) when the child should have left his parent in the wild.

[Anonymous No.6171693]

>>6171084
>>6171087
>>6171093
As a vegetarian, I can confirm you that those who currently don't give a fuck about animal conditions already know that animals experience conscious thought. They just don't care.

[Anonymous No.6171725]

>>6171191
>Certain animals show differing abilities of emotion, learning, language, and memory, as well as having a cerebral cortex, and neurons similar to humans
>duuur there's no evidence

[Anonymous No.6171763]

>>6171693
as a pure carnivore i can confirm that vegetarian are all douches and dont care.

nice fact source by the way douche