/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.6079873]

Is there any university that offers a first-year undergraduate course as rigorous as Harvard's Math 55?

[Anonymous No.6079884]

>Harvard
>Maths

It's like you don't know where the real Cambridge is

[Anonymous No.6079883]

>>6079873
Probably not. Even math 55 is not math 55 any longer. The format of the class and the breadth of content has changed quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.6079888]

>>6079884
It's like you don't know what the real Math 55 is

[Anonymous No.6079889]

>>6079884
>where the real Cambridge is
It's easy to find. Just look a couple of places down the list under Harvard.

[Anonymous No.6079895]

>>6079889

>Implying Harvard math is more prestigious than Cambridge.

lol Americans

[Anonymous No.6079897]

>If you want advice with college/university, go to /adv/

Fuck off

[Anonymous No.6079905]

Wow...what the fuck, why do they give so much content to undergraduate students? seems a bit like a publicity stunt. Even if you are gifted, it's better to go in detail thoughtfully through the subjects of mathematics. Is it just a stroking cock contest?

[Anonymous No.6079907]

>>6079895
Perhaps not within europooria. But everywhere else, yes, and has been for some time.

[Anonymous No.6079909]

>>6079889
Nope can't see us under Harvard anywhere

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2013/mathematics

[Anonymous No.6079914]

>>6079907

You Amerifats are deluded.

[Anonymous No.6079915]

>>6079907
>my sides

Europe Fields Medals: 32
US Fields Medals: 11

[Anonymous No.6079917]

>>6079909
>British company ranking a British school over the top two math schools in the world
Naturally

[Anonymous No.6079922]

>>6079917
>he calls it math and expects us to take his opinion seriously
cute

don't you have community college to attend?

[Anonymous No.6079925]

>>6079905
sorry, first year undergraduates.

[Anonymous No.6079930]

>>6079905

Yeah it's a stupid dick-waving contest. It's better to go in depth into topics rather than to skim such a broad area of mathematics.

[Anonymous No.6079933]

>Learning mainly for prestige and to feel superior.

[Anonymous No.6079936]

>you will never be senior wrangler

[Anonymous No.6079938]

>>6079915
>European award governed by a European-based union is won mostly by Europeans
Naturally.

[Anonymous No.6079942]

>>6079922
>oi i'll bop ye in ye muff swear on me mum m8
Sorry, I can't take you guys seriously.

[Anonymous No.6079945]

>>6079938
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.6079947]

>>6079938
>American from America telling us American Universities are best
Naturally

[Anonymous No.6079948]

>>6079873

Cornell's MATH2230-40.

[Anonymous No.6079956]

>>6079905
What universities like to do is fluster the undergrad at the first year in order to filter out the ones who really want to be in the university. Once the student has passed first year, in most universities it gets easier.

I'm pretty ignorant in terms of Math 55 but UofT's MAT137 is pretty challenging. Most people switch to the less proof intensive MAT135 during the year.

[Anonymous No.6079965]

>Through 2006,[11] the instructor had broad latitude in choosing the content of the course, and the course bore the title "Honors Advanced Calculus and Linear Algebra". For example, in 1970 by the second semester, students were learning about the differential geometry of Banach manifolds.[3] In 1994, students of Math 25 learned differential geometry using DoCarmo's book[12] and calculus of variations using C.H. Edwards's book.[13]

lel

[Anonymous No.6079968]

>>6079965
what is funny about that

[Anonymous No.6079977]

>>6079938

You do realize the Fields medal is named after a Canadian mathematician, and awarded by an international organization, right?

[Anonymous No.6079979]

You faggots are arguing which university has better math like it actually makes a difference. none of you are even intelligent and I'm so glad that i'm not as socially fucked up as you vessels of autism.

[Anonymous No.6079982]

>>6079979
>using the word "faggot"
>calling anyone else unintelligent
The ironing.

[Anonymous No.6079984]

>>6079979
>implying we aren't having a dick measuring contest because we go there

[Anonymous No.6079987]

>>6079979
>hardest first year math class = better math
LOL I can just "teach" a high schooler point set topology and that means it's the best high school ever? it's just a dick-wading contest, one more publicity stunt levered by ivy league colleges.

[Anonymous No.6079988]

>>6079979
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.6080001]

>>6079987
>rejected by Yale, Harvard and Princeton
>hurr the ivy leagues are just pretentious idiots

[Anonymous No.6080007]

>>6080001
In this particular case, I think they are.

[Anonymous No.6080086]

>>6080007
>being jelly
it's not our fault we are intellectually superior

[Anonymous No.6081403]

>>6079873
I don't know how rigorous as Harvard's Math 55 so I can't make good statements, but look into Missouri S&T, their math department might be what your looking for. I went there in Rolla and the math there was murder, very high failure rate. I got to compared a calculus 1 books from a few others to a 2007 Rolla calculus 1 book, the Rolla one covered twice as much material. However I was told they had dumb it down from before I got there and am fairly certain they have dumbed it down since as they were getting flack for failing too many students, although I am inclined to believe most of the problem comes from high school not teaching well. I heard other things about other schools and think I noticed a pattern. The older, smaller, more remote/insulated and specialized (for math and math related subjects of course) the school is the better they seem to be at stuff like this as have less reason to follow every educational intuition pattern of dumbing down as failing is equated to bad teaching as "the ones that fail get left behind"

Now I have to rant about our (USA) education for a moment. AAAAAA! I agree we need accountability, but we also need to stop treating everyone the same and expecting them to learn at the same pace. As it is setup now everyone can only learn as fast as the slowest person in the room, this may get everyone to "pass", but it greatly inhibits the other students to grow and learn more. I agree that separating them and labeling differently has discriminatory aspects, however I think our energy would be better spent changing our narrow thinking to understand and appreciate that our would runs on different kinds of smarts. If we paid and respected the "lower" positions like garbageman, janitors and liberal arts majors people wouldn't all be trying to be engineers, as not everyone can be and even if they could it would be bad, not to be confused with teaching everyone a basic understanding of science and stuff because that is well worth it

[Anonymous No.6081439]

>>6081403
>Missouri
>relevant
quiet pleb, the intellectuals are talking

[Anonymous No.6081448]

>>6079905
>Wow...what the fuck, why do they give so much content to undergraduate students?
Well, all of those things should be covered in undergrad...

My guess is, it was intended for students who came into harvard with a stellar math background already, so they could take one course, and move on, without doing anything as uncouth as testing out of it.

Nobody could cram all of that content into one semester, and walk away knowing it. Even with a "photographic memory" and they were just engineers who had to memorize it & use it.

There are plenty of kids out there though, who can learn those things at high school age or younger. When they're lucky enough to get tutored in it, or be taught it in a classroom, they could easily take this course, and have it just solidify what they already knew.

[Anonymous No.6081456]

> OP: harvard
> everyone: my alma mater is just as good as harvard

no, it's not

[Anonymous No.6081460]

>>6081456
Correct, mine is better

[Anonymous No.6081464]

>>6081456
>no, it's not
If it's Harvard, it's exactly as good as Harvard.

But my scoiology degree from university of phoenix online taught me that online universities are better.

[Anonymous No.6081467]

>>6081464
>Delicious tears
mmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.6081474]

>>6081448
Yeah, I corrected myself.
>>6079925

[Anonymous No.6081501]

>>6081439
While Missouri has a stereotype of being less intelligent, and I think it has some true like many stereotypes. Rolla is not normal, we go head to head in nation tournaments against MIT and the like and have beaten them a number of times, more impressive when you account for the comparatively small resource base we had to work with. There is a long list of achievements there, but spouting them off without knowing your interests wouldn't be very productive. So tell me how you measure such ambiguous things and your field of study and I bet seeing as you are on /sci/ there something there that would impress you.

[Anonymous No.6081507]

>>6081501
My interests are 16th century horticulturists and Nobel Prize winners

[Anonymous No.6081616]

>>6081507
Such parameters show you are trolling as no university in USA, or the land that would later be know as such, was around in the 16th century. This is more so as no westerner had visited that part of the continent yet.
To add to that the first horticulturists graduate was Wesley Green in 1873 from Iowa Agricultural College and Farm, so while agriculture studies date back much further no school anywhere in the 16th century that had any horticulturists. If you were really interested in horticulture you should know that basic history and what makes it a distinct subset in agriculture.
Therefore these are a completely obvious unattainable condition set.
And I am not going to even bother to go into why Nobel Prizes are basically worthless.

[Anonymous No.6081622]

>>6081616
>implying I am American
the rest of the world existed before America, you know

[Anonymous No.6081632]

>>6081616
>Nobel Prizes are basically worthless

[Anonymous No.6081636]

>>6079873

University of Chicago's Honors Analysis course is actually said to be more rigorous.

[Anonymous No.6081653]

>>6081456
Princeton isn't as good as harvard?

[Anonymous No.6081664]

OG Cambridge representing

[Anonymous No.6081678]

>>6081664

Is cambridge really all that good looking? I go to aberdeen and all the pictures for the university show the old buildings and grass next to them. there are only about 3 old buildings used as classrooms

[Anonymous No.6081688]

>>6081678
Yes.

pic related, where I lived in second year

[Anonymous No.6081702]

>>6081664
>mfw i get an offer for Cambridge math

[Anonymous No.6081706]

>>6081702
>then i fuck up STEP and end up in Warwick

[Anonymous No.6081710]

>>6081706
There is a guy in my house currently who did maths at Warwick after missing his STEP offer, now he is here doing Part III

we're all gonna make it brah

[Anonymous No.6081724]

>>6079873
I'm taking graduate physics at UW-madison as a freshman. You can get good math anywhere if you take advanced courses.

[Anonymous No.6081730]

>>6079895
Harvard is a lot harder to get into if you're american.

and yes, it has been for a long time. get over yourself.

[Anonymous No.6081740]

>>6081730
[citation needed] x 2

[Anonymous No.6081762]

>>6081622
I never implied you were American, in fact given the posting patterns here I would assume you are British for a number of reasons. Although I don't operate under such assumptions as they are irreverent here as everyone should be treated with the same respect regardless of nationality.
And yes, I am well aware the rest of the world existed before America, as I assume we are not including the the Native Americans as is sadly too often the case.

However there is nothing that meets your condition of 16th century horticulturists. Like I said "If you were really interested in horticulture you should know that basic history and what makes it a distinct subset in agriculture." If you had said 16th century agriculture then you would have been fine as that is a condition that can be met. Although it can't be met to my satisfaction by my school, so I would've conceded you won the bet, the end. But instead you picked a condition nobody, including yourself could meet. To me and most courts of law around the world that invalidates the bet. And such invalid counter statements are very characteristic of trolls, more so given the speed of your reply, thus my assumption you were a troll. I apologize if I am wrong. However you do understand you gave a invalid condition and why that can be seen as trolling?

On a side note which I wasn't going to mention because I don't think it substantial enough to use for this. Some projects in Rolla, like the working to creating a rice that doesn't absorb as much arsenic, are both agriculture and horticulturists. However breeding a new type of rice to inhibit arsenic uptake in the food supply is not that impressive considering other things in that field of research.

>>6081632
Keep in mind I mean no insult to the valuable research to which the prizes are awarded, just that there is often better candidates that get over looked along with many other things wrong with them. Because of all these problems I don't see the value in them.

[Anonymous No.6081819]

>>6079905
moreover, you're putting way too much effort into learning a topic that's 200 years dead.

[Anonymous No.6081821]

>>6079938
perhaps because it's existed throughout the 20th century?

[Anonymous No.6081828]

>>6079956
yeah, it just seems like a snide way for professors to lord themselves over the undergrads.

[Anonymous No.6081831]

>>6079979
this is kind of right. your research is the only thing that really matters.

[Anonymous No.6081836]

>>6080001
except they are.

[Anonymous No.6081839]

>>6080086
pfffffft. have fun burning out in grad school

[Anonymous No.6081847]

>>6081456
I'm saying Harvard is engaged in pointless dick-waving while I actually learn

[Anonymous No.6081846]

>>6081839
i'm in grad school bro

[Anonymous No.6081855]

>>6081632
not worthless, but problematic. People get overlooked way too often.

[valjean !!4SOyPF0IuOv No.6081862]

You can go to Harvard for $56k/yr or you can go to a solid state university for <$25k/yr. I seriously doubt that Harvard is >2.24x as good as a state research uni.

[Anonymous No.6081861]

>>6081846
so are you at Harvard now or did you do your undergrad there? did it actually help?

[Anonymous No.6081866]

>>6081861
Not Harvard, undergrad and grad in Cambridge. Harvard doesn't do my course

[Anonymous No.6081865]

>>6081862
If you don't get financial aid at Harvard, I assume you're rich enough to pay anyhow.

[Anonymous No.6081869]

>>6079938
>>6079947
#dying

[Anonymous No.6081874]

>>6081862
Do they not do student loans in America?

Also in the long run the cost will pay off

[Anonymous No.6081878]

>>6081874
>the cost will pay off.
top lel

[valjean !!4SOyPF0IuOv No.6081881]

>>6081865
This is probably true. Regardless, Harvard prides itself on research - its undergrad program is just another undergrad program. At least, this seems to be the message that I get from the Harvard students I know.
>>6081874
Sure, we do, but our loan system is fucked and should be avoided at all costs. Maybe it'll pay off, but I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.6081898]

>>6081688

Yeah but I'd rather be at Oxford.

[Anonymous No.6081906]

>>6081898
sign on, sign on, with hope in your heart etc

college?

[Anonymous No.6081969]

>>6081906

One of the shit ones.

[Anonymous No.6082013]

ITT
>people actually care whether it's called math or maths
>people want to attend an ivy league school to gain a false sense of superiority over others
>muh cambridge

Also, can't access my student loan information.
THANKS, OBAMA

[Anonymous No.6082075]

>>6081969
Trinity then

[Anonymous No.6082099]

>>6079873

I feel bad for the girl in this pic, she looks so sad

[Anonymous No.6082103]

>>6082013
ITP
>rationalising my failure
>"lazy genius"
>it's not worth it, my state school is better
>anything outside america is shit

[Anonymous No.6082112]

>>6079873
Pls rate my waifu

[Anonymous No.6082142]

>>6082013

Can we actually get a definitive answer to whether oxbridge / ivy league teach more stuff (and more useful stuff) than regular universities? I've heard both viewpoints.

[Anonymous No.6082154]

>>6082112
2/10 my waifu would destroy

[Anonymous No.6082194]

>>6082075

I lol'd

[Anonymous No.6082210]

>>6082142

(Just talking about maths. Don't claim to know anything about other courses 'cos I don't give a shit, mainly.)

I'm just gonna come out and say it regarding maths at Cambridge. We do more. A ridiculous amount more than most Universities in Britain, but more than even Imperial, Warwick, and Oxford, if by a lesser margin. I just hate this PC message that's peddled around the country going, "But equality! Everywhere is really good!". Maybe for their purposes, but Cambridge wants to produce world class mathematicians, and COWI are the only such institutions that do so on a regular basis.