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Whats a good STEM degree for someone with an IQ of 115?

>> No.6078461

Engineering

>> No.6078465

>>6078454
we have this thread every day

>> No.6078474

Petroleum engineering. It is perfect because you will be smart enough to be successful in the industry, but not quite smart enough to grasp why you are a sellout and are regarded as garbage by real engineers.

>> No.6078547

bump

>> No.6078563

>>6078474
hahahah

>> No.6078565

>IQ
Psychology

>> No.6078597

>>6078474

Pretty much this.
Have fun looking at pressure gauges in the middle of north dakota for 80k+ / year.

>> No.6078602

Physics

>> No.6078607

Don't limit yourself based on IQ unless you really understand your scores well. Mine is 149 and I've never been anything but a mediocre mathematics student. Besides, it would help to know more details about your score. If you took something like the WAIS-IV, then you should be looking at your performance IQ scores for potential success a STEM degree, not overall IQ-- I imagine a verbal expression score isn't going to be terribly useful to you in STEM education. You could have an IQ of 115, but maybe still be functioning at the 130 level. How did you do on the matrix reasoning, pattern identification, and block design components of the test? These are questions you should be asking yourself.

>> No.6078681

>>6078454
IQ only becomes a factor in post-grad, everything before that is hard work, you can major in anything you want with a 115, also you'll find your IQ increases over the course of your STEM degree, take another test after you graduate I guarantee you'll be in the 120-130 range.

>> No.6078689

>>6078607
>verbal expression score isn't going to be terribly useful to you in STEM education.
Verbal expression is extremely important outside of pure Math, you can't be an Engineer or a Researcher without the ability to communicate your ideas well.

>> No.6079144

chemistry

>> No.6079162

Bioinformatics.

>> No.6079169

theoretical biology

>> No.6079176

>>6078689
It's pretty important inside pure math too tbh.

>> No.6079190
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6079190

Quantum Politics is the only correct answer.

>until you check your privileges you are both cis and scum

>> No.6079196

elementary school teacher

>> No.6079200

Customer service rep

>> No.6079208
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6079208

>>6079190

>mfw

>> No.6079238

>>6078454
>someone with an IQ of
Just go into burger flipping, you're obviously dumb as a fucking rock if you not only do an IQ test but actually belive in the number you get out of it.
I'm sure that manbaby at the supermarket that works as a cashier also have an above standard IQ. Doesn't help him much.

Meanwhile there's doctors that wouldn't even pass 100 after a night shift.

>> No.6079274

burger flipper
anything below 10^18 IQ is unworthy

>> No.6079278

>>6079238
Meanwhile IQ remains the most reliable predictor of future success, as measured by various career statistics (income, 'satisfaction', etc)

>> No.6079293

Economics or a soft science like biology.

You can actually do any STEM degree with an IQ of 115, but be prepared to work your ass off to make up for your lack of raw intelligence. Math and physics will tear you a new one, especially the higher level courses.

>> No.6079296

>>6079238
>IQ denialist
>on /sci/

What are these anti-science people doing here? Shouldn't you stay on /pol/?

>> No.6079340

>>6079293
I've seen people work their asses off and still flunk physics

I don't 115 is enough

>> No.6079351

Where is it I could take an IQ test?

>> No.6079399

It's really interesting when I see these threads with the commentary in them. In every IQ thread, you'll have your usual crowd of IQ proponents and, given the evidence out there and such, I can mildly comprehend their position.

That being said, however, they always make me think of a world where people are merely categorized by a number on their forehead. If you are at a specific number, you must do this as a career; if you are at another specific number, you must do that, etc. It sounds like such a robotic society with a clear lack of creativity, ambition and choice.

Do you guys really enjoy this type of concept; that is, a number defines you for the entirety of your life? If someone wants to be a physicist or a mathematician, for example, should they merely give up upon such a quest if their number doesn't stack up? Should they just throw their passion away? It's really disconcerting to see that type of attitude on /sci/ and, overall, amongst some math/physics majors at my old school.

I'm a part-time instructor for an after-school program in my city. Last semester, when I was going over basic combinatorics, I could tell one student(he was mixed -- black and hispanic; this will come into play later on) understood it and I'd stay with him after class to go over more combinatorics stuff -- stuff found in a Freshman math discrete course. Sometimes, he understood it; other times, he didn't. Most of the time, he was in the middle. Still, he was doing pretty well given that he's a sophomore in HS. I remember telling him that if he has a passion for mathematics(specifically, combinatorics), he should consider majoring it in school. No lie, the kid replied to me
>I can't major in something that smart. [We] just don't do that, we're not smart enough. That's for Asians and Whites.
It was the scariest thing I've ever heard, ever.

I'm genuinely concerned about this because if this becomes a widespread idea, then this can lead to horrific consequences.

>> No.6079405

>>6079399
Science and math are a competition of pure intelligence. If you don't have Jacob Barnett tier child prodigy talent, you'll stand no chance. Don't fall for illusions. No matter how hard you try, these people will outsmart you. Everything you can comprehend and a lot of things you will never comprehend have been researched indepth. If you are not a genius, you will end up with a mediocre degree and never amount to anything in science or math. By testing IQ we can predict very early whether a person should consider a career in science and math or should rather stick to lower jobs.

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>>6079293
Or he could perfectly become a particle physics researcher instead. Seems very well suited for that sophisticated cable-plugging.

>> No.6079410

>>6079278
>Meanwhile IQ remains the most reliable predictor of future success, as measured by various career statistics (income, 'satisfaction', etc)
[citation needed]

>> No.6079430

>>6079405
> If you don't have Jacob Barnett tier child prodigy talent, you'll stand no chance.
This is clearly not true and bullshit. I say this as someone going for his PhD in Mathematics.

If that's the fucking case, every person with a PhD in Mathematics would have a Fields Medal or some other type of high-end award; that is definitely not the case.

In general, that entire post is...so amazingly disconcerting and shocking to read, even on /sci/. I'd never want to live in a society that espouses such a doctrine. Not only is it psychologically jarring, but it completely disposes of the concept of freedom.

>> No.6079458

My IQ is <90 on Wechsler and I'm a math major.

>> No.6079483

>>6078454
IQ tests only measure a few things, and they're an indicator only, not a license to brag, or a death-sentence to your abilities.

If you're interested in science, go for science. If you're interested in engineering, go for engineering. There are plenty of people working in the STEM fields who aren't any brighter than the average IQ, and do just fine. They do work, they contribute. They have to work harder than their smarter counterparts sometimes, that's true, but they can do the work.

Also, the more you train and use your brain, the smarter you get. You may score 115 now, but much higher in 4 years after you finish your degree. Assuming you push yourself that is.

>> No.6079545

>>6079430
He was obviously trolling.
Also, cool that you're doing a PhD in math. What field if I may ask?

>> No.6079554

>>6079430
>Math majors
>capable of discerning between satire and honesty

Top lel

>> No.6079556

>>6079430
Without intelligence you won't even get close to a PhD in mathematics. Maybe at a shit tier college in 'murrica they hand out PhDs in linear algebra or calculus, but here in Europe PhD positions are limited and highly competitive. Only the most brilliant students can even consider going for a PhD. Research is not a snugly recreational activity, research is serious business.

>>6079545
I wasn't "trolling". Fuck off. Not every fact that hurts your feelings is a troll.

>> No.6079560

>>6079405
>Science and math are a competition of pure intelligence.

That's total bullshit.

>> No.6079581

>>6079556
>PhD in Linear Algebra or Calculus

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about

>> No.6079590

>>6079581
I was talking about 'murrica. I've never been there but from the fact that people here on /sci/ say calculus is university material in 'murrica, it wouldn't surprise me if they handed out PhDs for shit we consider first semester BSc math in Europe.

>> No.6079600

>>6079590

>durr I get all my knowledge about American universities from the 4chans

What methodology

Step 1. Take a look at the top 20 universities of the world.
Step 2. Take the cock out of your ass

>> No.6079610

>>6079590
We take calculus in high school, yurotard

>> No.6079615

>>6079556
Oh dear, you were serious? You didn't hurt my feelings kiddo but somebody obviously hurt yours. Tell /sci/ who crushed your dreams :)

>> No.6079617

>>6079600
>Step 1. Take a look at the top 20 universities of the world.
You mean the ones someone like you will never enter because they are exclusively open to the elite of the most intelligent people in the world?

>Step 2. Take the cock out of your ass
That's none of your business.

>>6079610
I've seen /sci/ posters claiming to have a BSc in math from an american college with calculus classes as their only math courses.

>> No.6079621

>>6078454
Your IQ does not determine which degree you should take.
Do not place too much importance in the value of your IQ score.
Feel proud of it if it is high, but you should still work towards doing what you love.

>> No.6079627

>>6079615
>has to point out how much his feelings are "not" hurt

I don't even want to make fun of you, but serious, come on, that's a pathetic post.

>> No.6079636

>>6079617

>4chan andecdotes

Again, that's really fucking neato. Now actually take a second to peruse degree standards at an average America public university. Get a brain moran.

>> No.6079660

>>6079627
Haha you're fucking hilarious man.
Also I think you don't understand what an implication actually is.
But you're the fucking awesome bro, keep this attitude up.

>> No.6079668

>>6079636
What degree standards? "BSc graduates have to know calculus" is a pretty low standard.

>> No.6079673

>>6079660
Your post did not contain any implications.

>> No.6079677

>>6079668

Why the fuck are you qualifying it as general BSc? We don't all go to school for a general degree in science. What science exactly. I'm in 3rd year so I can give you a heads up.

>> No.6079682

>>6079677
I don't live in 'murrica. I am just going by what I read on /sci/.

>> No.6079693

>>6079673
I was refering to his post. He used /sci/'s own implication symbol i.e. ">". This board is a fucking joke.

>> No.6080867

>>6079410
Why does /sci/ refuse to google things themselves? So many of you just make up your opinions based on... nothing at all, and then dedicate yourselves to pointing them out. "hurr IQ don't no notin", why do you think its fucking used so much you retard? Just search on google scholar or web of science or scopus or any similar tool and have a look at the actual literature, then form an opinion. You shouldn't depend on others to post you links on /sci/ about things you have already formed strong opinions on. You should have had a look at the related literature before you decided to make your religion about it.

http://www.radford.edu/~tpierce/201%20files/201%20handouts/Sternberg%20-%20g-ocentric%20view%20of%20IQ%20-%201993.pdf

http://www.unc.edu/~nielsen/soci708/cdocs/Schmidt_Hunter_2004.pdf

http://web.nsboro.k12.ma.us/algonquin/faculty/socialstudiesteachers/smith/documents/UnitTestingandIndividualDifarticle3APpsych.pdf

http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/mpq/summary/v047/47.1sternberg.html

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/psp/86/1/162/

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/20182140?uid=3737536&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21102755117173

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/s15327043hup0203_3#.UlY0BFCnpHk

>> No.6082204

>>6079351
There are a lot of online IQ tests.

>> No.6082207

>>6079693
>This board is a fucking joke.

>> No.6082214

>choosing your degree based on your IQ

that's all the information i need to suggest psychology.
or econ.

>> No.6082248

>>6082204
which is the reason that everybody has at least an IQ of 125

>> No.6083311

>>6082248
The average IQ is 100%

>> No.6083336

>>6078454
It is well known that Feynman had an IQ of <100. You should go into physics.

>> No.6083371
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6083371

Any of them, but beware that some areas require more intelligence than others. The hardest being theoretical physics and math.

Here's a table with intelligence levels of typical jobs. [From Gottfredson 1997]

>> No.6083376

>>6078607
These subscales are not important. What is important is g, which is best measured by the total score, not individual subtest scores.

But spatial ability seems to have some predictive validity beyond it's correlation with g.

See various papers: https://my.vanderbilt.edu/smpy/publications/david-lubinski/

>> No.6083386

>>6083371

>you need at least 80 IQ to be a packer

I could teach a savant monkey to do that

>> No.6083389

>>6080867
I agree with this and I was going to post some links myself. I see you did the job for me.

I will supply introductory material:

Intelligence research is much misunderstood and is controversial within the general public. Most of the misconceptions that people have are due to them simply never taking the time to read anything about the subject. Not even the base minimum of reading the relevant Wikipedia articles. Below I have listed three some papers and books on the subject that I consider introductory. These explain what IQ is, what intelligence is, what the g-factor is, how to measure it, and why it matters with many examples.

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Very short (10 pages)
Gottfredson, Linda S. “Mainstream science on intelligence: An editorial with 52 signatories, history, and bibliography.” Intelligence 24.1 (1997): 13-23.
alturl com/i7cwx

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Longer (54 pages)

Gottfredson, L. S. (1997). Why g matters: The complexity of everyday life. Intelligence, 24(1), 79-132.

alturl com/rq8ur

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Useful follow-up to the above (21 pages).

Gottfredson, L. S. (2002). Where and why g matters: Not a mystery. Human Performance, 15(1/2), 25-46.

alturl com/p5xht

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More politically correct version of Gottfredson 1997:
Neisser, Ulric, et al. “Intelligence: Knowns and unknowns.” American psychologist 51.2 (1996): 77.
alturl com/62d4f

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Longer and sociologically focused

Robert A. Gordon. (1997) Everyday life as an intelligence test: Effects of intelligence and intelligence context. Intelligence, Volume 24, Issue 1, January–February 1997, Pages 203–320.

alturl com/zwxa9

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Light introduction to basic concepts. Useful for those not strong in math.
Deary, Ian J. Intelligence: A very short introduction. Oxford University Press, 2001.
Intelligence, a very short introduction
alturl com/kwe8s

-

Very long and technical (660 pages)
Jensen, Arthur Robert. The g factor: The science of mental ability. Westport, CT: Praeger, 1998.
alturl com/g6jjh

>> No.6083394

>>6083386
You did not read the table correctly. The line does not show the total range (would be off the chart, obviously).

The total range can be found elsewhere, and indeed as one can see, it goes very low for some jobs.

>> No.6083399

>>6080867

>claim everyone else on /sci/ has a bad habit of spouting baseless views
>spouts baseless views

Nice papers you have there, but if you wanna debate a point you're going to have to do more than copy-paste links or suggest you should "just Google it!".

You actually have to MAKE a point.

>> No.6083398

>>6083336
Nonsense.

See: infoproc blog spot com/2012/05/jensen-on-g-and-genius.html

>> No.6083403

>>6080867
Oh and by the way. Don't quote Sternberg cuz he's a shit researcher, always going on about his Triarchial theory which has very poor evidence behind it indeed.

The reason why he is popular is that he is a prominent antiracist who also happens to do IQ research. The good scholars are generally hereditarians (believe that the difference between races in g is due partly to genetics).

>> No.6083408

>>6079351
Decent one here:

http://www.mensa.no/olavtesten/index_2.html

>> No.6083410

>>6079399
While he may have too much self-doubt, he is statistically right that these fields are dominated by white and NE asian smarties.

That being said, he might be an outlier of his group, and thus might be very smart indeed, and thus perfectly capable of competing in the area.

You can give him a test and see how well he does.

>> No.6083411

>>6083403
>hereditarians
>believe that the difference between races in g is due partly to genetics
i'm a hereditarian because i believe heredity is a thing... most biologists are.
wut does this have to do with race?

>> No.6083417

>>6079483
>Also, the more you train and use your brain, the smarter you get. You may score 115 now, but much higher in 4 years after you finish your degree. Assuming you push yourself that is.

IQ scores are very stable by adulthood. This won't work very well.

>inb4 train on a specific test to increase the score

This won't make you smarter. It will make the instrument less precise.

>> No.6083431

>>6083411
That is the name of the position in the literature. Hereditarianism, or sometimes "the genetic hypothesis".

While you are right that just about anything can be heritable, the ones who regard the g difference between races are partly heritable are called hereditarians. The ones who deny that are usually called environmentalists, even though this is a misleading name, because hereditarians also recognize environment.

It's just a naming convention.

A survey of researchers in the late 80's determined that a plurality of them were hereditarians, something completely politically correct at the time, and also now. No one has done a survey in years, but I plan to do one myself to see what the expert opinion is now. I think the hereditarian% has risen just as the evidence has.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_IQ_Controversy,_the_Media_and_Public_Policy_%28book%29

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>>6079617
>they are exclusively open to the elite of the most intelligent people in the world
If you're THIS dumb your entire theory is disproved

>> No.6084289

>>6083491
>argumentum ad hominem

>> No.6084629

>>6079682
You're a fucking idiot

>> No.6084940

>>6084629
Don't insult me.

>> No.6085646

zoology

>> No.6086858

quantum physics

>> No.6088222

astrology

>> No.6089331

economics

>> No.6090286

chemistry

>> No.6091590

computational ecology

>> No.6092510

paleoclimatology

>> No.6092530

>>6079399
I'll summarize it for you. It's Asians (particularly Chinese) who come from rigid social systems that perpetuate this garbage most frequently.

They're dime a dozen engineers without a creative bone in their bodies trying to eek out a ledge from which to crap on others.

Most of them couldn't run a Popsicle stand or make a cup of coffee.

Your welcome.

>> No.6092534

>>6092530
is this what stupid crackas tell themselves to feel better about their irrelevance to science?

>> No.6092537

>>6092534
You mad that I called you out bro?

>> No.6092542

work in oil in america.

they hire anyone there apparently.

>> No.6093540

>>6092530
>Your welcome.

MY welcome? No, use your own welcome.

>> No.6094615

nanotechnology

>> No.6095919

biomedical engineering

>> No.6096797

Maths. IRL its not hard as they said.

>> No.6098014

geography

>> No.6098920

quantum information theory

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6098975

I'm a physics undergrand, and I'm waiting to hit the wall where "Oh well, I'll simply work harder" no longer is an acceptable solution to finding something difficult. I don't think I'll find it at undergrad level, so nor will you.

I imagine your IQ means nothing until you start looking at a PhD.

>> No.6098986

>>6098975

>undergrand

lel.

>> No.6098985

>>6079278

There may be correlation, but ultimately I think work ethic trumps all. Maybe smarter people have better work ethics, but either way I think it's worth mentioning that IQ doesn't mean shit so long as you are willing to put the man hours in and aren't literally retarded.

>> No.6098991

>>6098986

Jealous kiddo?

>> No.6098990

What's a good STEM degree for someone with an IQ of 145?

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6099015

>>6078454

> Browsing 4chan
> Everyone says /sci/ is the most intelligent board
> Decide to check it out
> This is the first thread I see


>mfw

>> No.6099031

>>6099015
Not really intelligent. If you try and talk about science you won't get any replies. That, or you will get some autistic sperglord talking about muh IQ and shitting all over you, no matter what.

Example:
>>6098986

>> No.6100499

marine biology

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>>6099015
I always thought people were just making that up, until i experienced it myself.

>> No.6100551

>>6079278
Just because there is a slight correlation between IQ and future success does not mean that IQ is a good metric for judging future success.

I'm sure if you conducted a little survey you could find many people with merely average IQs in STEM fields. All of them an exception to the rule.

>> No.6100655

IQ is a load of bull. Richard Feynman only had a IQ of 125. Slightly above average. However he was one of the greatest genius to ever live.

>> No.6100673

>>6083408
is this the same as the danish one?

>> No.6100707

>>6100499
muh childhoodz

>> No.6100714

>>6100655
was he equal in every category?

Let me know that before you proclaim bullshit. It's an overall measure, not a measure of how good someone will be a a certain thing that people think indicates intelligence. BTW 125 is really high.

>> No.6100758

Don't let IQ get you down. As your score is never definite and also it only tests very few skills. In highschool we did two different IQ tests. Both were online, but we're supposedly designed to test students. The first one was in grade 10 and I got 101. The second one was in grade 11 and I got 169. However, I think both tests were rubbish. There's no way I'm a genius, but I do know a lot about things that interest me.

>> No.6100793

>>6100758
yeah, online tests are complete bullshit. Generally they're administered by a psychologist and involve blocks and pictures and things.

>> No.6100826

to give you a honest and true answer Computer Science, become a programmer maybe video games or micro controllers or whatever interests you. It's something you can do and maybe even excel at.

>> No.6100841

Can mods please delete this damn thread already?

I know this board is shit, but please.

>> No.6100843

>>6078454
Geology. Any idiot can be trained to do it, and it pays well. Lately you can even get a job with just a BS. Granted a shit job that will taint you for life in the oilfield and pay more like $30-40k rather than $100k+, but that's plenty to live on, and you can certainly make more as you get experience.

>> No.6100851

>>6100826
Is it just bias from me using the cpmputer a lot or is everyone and their mother going into computer science? It seems like to me we're going to have way more people with cs related degrees than the economy can support. It used to be "I want to be a doctor when I grow up" Now it's I want to be a programmer ot video game designer when I grow up" and a damn large number of them are following through with the schooling.

>> No.6102393

>>6100841
It is a high quality on-topic thread. I don't see your problem.