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Where does nothing come from?

Does 'nothing' actually exist?

Does one minus one create nothing or does that create zero?

Is zero nothing?

I'm no trolling I'm actually curious about what 'nothing' is.

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>> No.6073755

No one knows what nothing is, you can not know nothing.

>> No.6073763

>>6073753
Stop wasting time with philosophy and work on extracting energy from the zero point field.

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>>6073753
You're what is considered a solipsist, I also feel the same way. I feel as if this post was created by my imagination. We are insane.

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Think about what it was like waking up having never gone to sleep. Your birth. It's kind of like that. 'Nothing' isn't a thing because it's not an experience.

>> No.6073770

>>6073763
I could do that in my sleep.

>> No.6073791

>>6073774
I just watched that video and them saw your video. That's spooky.

>> No.6073793

>>6073791
I meant saw your post.

>> No.6073803

>>6073791
Nor surprising haha. Alan Watts is best nigger.

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>>6073753

>> No.6073833

>>6073818
>stop having fun

>> No.6073891

>>6073753
>Does 'nothing' actually exist?

Define existence and non-existence first.
What do people mean when they say that something does "not" exist?
They certaintly don't mean there's a thing X which has the property of non-existence.
For something to have a property it must exist in the first place. If it only exists in our mind, then the properties also do and it doesn't tell us anything about what we actually mean when we talk about existence.
But what is it, if it's not a property?

And what about the things that are absent from both, our mind and the world we call reality?
These are the things that don't exist in our mind and not in reality, but do such things even exist? If they do, then how could they be non-existant?

>tl;dr: philosophy is like playing an instrument, it's nice and it makes your brain work, but it's basically useless and does nothing

>> No.6074275

Can't you consider nothing as the absence of something? Without something you have nothing.

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>>6073818

>> No.6074320

We really need a /phil/ board.

>> No.6074359

>>6073891
>>6073753
I suppose it depends on the context, rather than a general idea of nothing, more the nothing of something in a situation.

For example 2 H to 1 O is H20, you need 2 H.
If you have 0 H and still 1 O then you just have O in this context 0 is defined as having no H for the O.

So 0 is just the absence.

>> No.6074657

>>6074320
Yes. And a /reli/gion board so I don't have to talk about it on /pol/

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>philosophers arguing about semantics
>mfw

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>>6073753
Nothing comes from the expectation of there being something, but it isn't there. Or another way, nothing is how we describe absence.

So even if you have an empty glass, you need the glass to reference the absence.

So don't worry anon, there can never be nothing, because if there truly were, then there would be nothing left to reference its non-existence against =D

>> No.6074738

>>6074320
>>6074700
>>6073818

Maybe young scientists are artistic and philosophical. Better to have rough road behind you than infront of you. Right?

What about chilling and just hiding these threads if they bother you, since philosophy(=thinking) is mother of science.

>>6073753
Nothing might exist in other dimensions* and or nothing might be beginning of time(theories of known physicists*) Maybe time doesn't have beginning should be question instead?

>> No.6074757

>>6074657
>>6074320
>2013
>implying we need boards with four letters
>>>/phi
>>>/rel
>that's how it's done

Anyway.
>>6074657
>pretending politics and religion are so different
Oh you.

>>6074700
Do philosophers argue about anything else? Is any /phi argument not just semantics?

>>6074359
This comment is an example of something that should not be, that should have remained nothing.

>>6073753
Look, OP. You're just asking the wrong question.

Read Krauss' "A Universe from Nothing."
Read Hawking's "Brief History of Time"
If you can't understand that level of reading, take science courses until you can.

>> No.6074769

>>6074738
>implying philosophy should include debating semantics

>nothing
>might exist
No, you're not understanding the words you are using.

>maybe time doesn't have a beginning
Again, you've got either a confusion of what time means, or a use-mention error (see Dan Dennett's AAI 2009 speech, available on youtube - great examples of such things). Time, at least as we know it, began at the big bang, because anything that happened before the big bang could not affect what happened after. Therefore, any time that was or wasn't before the big bang ceased and our time began. Period. Time is relative, and our universe isn't relative to any others, ergo time started at big bang, about 13.72B years ago.

>> No.6074774

>>6074730
Well, that might be how you and whomever is included in your 'we' describes nothing, but that's not correct. Again, read Krauss. He does the best job of concisely describing 'nothing' in a scientific sense.

>> No.6074849

I'm not sure how to answer the first two questions, but I'll take a shot at the last three. Zero is a quantity of value. It can be used/expressed in arithmetic manipulation. Nothing, is null. Null is basically, the absence of value. Operations can not be performed with Null. For example, if you ask somebody how many euros they make in a day, a homeless man might say "0". If you asked somebody who refused to answer and just stayed silent, their answer would be null, nothing. That doesn't necessarily mean that they don't make any euros in a day, it just means nothing was their answer. Where the homeless man's answer has a value (0) the silent man's answer is absent of value. 1-1 = 0, not nothing, 0.

>> No.6076243

>>6074774
We are something and we can't come from nothing.

>> No.6076538

>>6073753
There never is, never has been, and never will be literally nothing.

The closest you can come is abstract subsets of reality (i.e. zero or "what I am intentionally holding in my hands").