/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.6048122]

What is it with autism that give a kid a chance to either be a useless dependent or a fucking genius?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/11/jacob-barnett-autistic-14-year-old-nobel-prize_n_3254920.html

[AL !!9YCj0HNhQB4 No.6048165]

>>6048122
Im assuming the article is an example of the "useless dependent" variety.

[Anonymous No.6048169]

First off, autistic people aren't retarded, period.

Autistic minds tend to struggle conforming to illogical concepts and that's why the majority have bad social skills. The geniuses tend to develop fixations towards logical thought and things in general and the things that they are fixated to don't always have to be popular or conventional.

Also I know your image is supposed to me ironic however, mocking the person in it is imbecilic for reasons that shouldn't have to be explained.

[Anonymous No.6048190]

>>6048122
>tfw you'll never be as smart or successful as him

[Anonymous No.6048198]

Because "autism" is a catch-all label for anything from slight social awkwardness to complete inability to function.

There's not much reason to consider everything on "the autism spectrum" to actually all be part of the same thing. It's like "the schizophrenic spectrum", "the Kinsey scale", or IQ, where psychologists are arbitrarily assigning people points on a one-dimensional scale based on some vague superficial similarities.

[Anonymous No.6048202]

>>6048190
Speak for yourself, although I am not well educated I can visualize extra dimensions in my head and see mathematical patterns in random objects.

[Anonymous No.6048206]

>>6048202
>I can visualize extra dimensions in my head and see mathematical patterns in random objects.
That's called schizophrenia.

If the mathematical patterns tell you to kill the president, don't.

[Anonymous No.6048210]

>>6048165
Someone is jealous

[Anonymous No.6048225]

>>6048206
Lel. Not sure if genuine /sci/ level retard or just trolling

[Anonymous No.6048232]

>>6048122
Unfortunately, he's probably not going to do much with his life and live his adult life in a state of constant nostalgia. Unfortunately, IQ is not proportional to success in life, and in most cases, high IQs result in poorer life performance.

[Anonymous No.6048233]

>>6048206

[Anonymous No.6048269]

>>6048122
>implying elitist, status driven, circlejerks (aka academia) won't fuck him up emotionally in a few years

society will crush him

also, in attached vid... he is not doing something that 15yrs old couldn't understand... what's all the hype about?

[Anonymous No.6048270]

here we go

[Anonymous No.6048271]

The answer is that autism isn't at all the same person to person. We already knew that, but if you think that the kids who spend their days mute, rocking in corners and smearing their shit on the windows have the same disease as the ones winning nobel prizes, well, don't. We're in the infancy of understanding it, so you can expect that we don't have a 100% accurate picture.

The definition of "autism" should be broken up into a couple dozen different diseases; in a way it is (hence the spectrum of light -> severe etc). However people just lump it under an umbrella term (like cancer). A lot of people are still in the dark/still trust things by hearsay rather than examining evidence, and so there's still a lot of misconceptions about causes of autism (hurr vaccines, hurr bad parenting etc). It's genetic. It can be caused by chromosomal inversions and translocations (among other things, but those are the big ones), and different locations for these events probably lead to different symptoms; it really makes perfect sense once you think about -why- ... switching the locations of proteins around on chromosomes exposes them to different levels of genetic silencing/insulation from where they were meant to be at. Thus, certain proteins are produced at rates different from normal, and if these affect brain function, then that damn well could cause strange things to happen in brain development if these intended balances were off-target from birth.

However, people don't really talk too much about the genetic evidence for it, as it seems to be not common knowledge at this point. Also, practically no one goes and gets their genomes sequenced as part of the diagnoses, because practically no one gets themselves sequenced period (yet). Whenever sequencing becomes a standard medical procedure though, and we get reams of further data, that might allow us to attempt to map specific chromosomal mutations to sets of autistic symptoms, so we can start naming the individual problems.

[Anonymous No.6048274]

>Jacob Barnett

prime selection kek

[Anonymous No.6048282]

>guaranteed replies

Also, he will never amount to anything, I've said this for already over a year and a half since this kid started a troll thread trend on /sci/.

Success requires as much logical thinking as creative thinking and the ability to work with others. Bien a human computer will get the equations solved but not the problems solved.

[Anonymous No.6048287]

So what is this then?
http://pra.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v84/i2/e024103

[Anonymous No.6048288]

>>6048274
I NEED SOME ANSWERS ON A SERIOUS MATTER HERE!!!

CAN HE SOLVE
TRIPLE
INTEGRALS?

[Anonymous No.6049345]

>>6048288
yes

[Anonymous No.6049399]

>>6049345
my god...
how can we handle such power with our mere, undeveloped technology...

it's the end of the world
as we know it

[Anonymous No.6049405]

Just keep calm and repot

[Anonymous No.6050406]

>>6048165
Was that supposed to be funny?

[Anonymous No.6050926]

>>6049405
This is not a garden.

[Anonymous No.6051013]

>>6048198
nobody replies to one of the best comments in the fucking thread, quality posting here /sci/

[Anonymous No.6052685]

>>6051013
That comment was in fact very dumb. While "autism" actually is nothing but a buzzword, the schizophrenic spectrum is a very useful term in psychiatry and IQ is the only scientific measurement of intelligence.

[Anonymous No.6052696]

>>6048122
do you people even read this board before shitposting to it?

This is the second time today that two threads about the exact same thing have been on the front page at the same time.

[Anonymous No.6052734]

>now 14 -- is a Master's student, on his way to earning a PhD in quantum physics
God damn.

[Anonymous No.6052742]

>>6048269
I hope him well in the world of academia, she is such a cruel mistress.

[Anonymous No.6052825]

right? autism needs to make up it's mind.

[Anonymous No.6052868]

inb4 rage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBW4S9xcTOk

[Anonymous No.6052896]

>>6052868

All i've ever seen this kid do is Calc I stuff. I mean ok, that's still a young age to learn calculus...But uh, is that all?

[Anonymous No.6053564]

>>6052896
In this video he explains path integrals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpRLorvwfUg

[Anonymous No.6053586]

Good for him. I whis him a good and happy life.

[Anonymous No.6055170]

>>6053564
>welcome to my basement

top video

[AL !!9YCj0HNhQB4 No.6055184]

>>6055170
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpRLorvwfUg
>>6053564
lol, I bet he still loves with his mother too.

[Anonymous No.6055265]

>>6048169
>Autistic minds tend to struggle conforming to illogical concepts and that's why the majority have bad social skills.

> People with assburgers actually believe this.
Social behavior isn't illogical, it's something so complicated that general logical ability isn't enough to engage in it in most cases - like bipedal walking or natural language. Neurotypicals have specific brain functions for social behavior which autists lack.

To answer OP, my guess is that because of the above, social pressure simply drives autists into developing the talents they do have, if they have them. Many autists are pants-on-head-retarded because they're average or below-average people minus social skills. It probably also helps that the mind isn't as occupied with social skills in cases where they're properly raised, making above-average autists even more above-average people.

>>6048198
I though the spectrum was one-dimensional too, but it's actually a set of twelve labels each with their own severity. You know - like an actual spectrum.

>>6048271
> it really makes perfect sense once you think about -why-

Oh, bother, another kid who has memorized some elements from basic biology and thinks he can use it to make judgment calls about science.

People with autism have their brain functions more spread out across the brain than neurotypicals. Unless you can explain - without looking it up - how proteins do that, why it's universal among autists when you claim it's several different genetic errors, why autists are more likely to have related symptoms as well, and why autism probability doesn't increase with age of the mother like down's syndrome, don't say it "makes sense" that autism is caused by genetic errors. And more importantly, don't ever again believe something is correct because it makes as much sense as this seemed to make.

[Anonymous No.6055301]

>>6048169
I think the social skill problem is more of a result of them being too literal.

They try to use real self awareness instead of fake self awareness, which prevents them from seeing anything in relation to themselves.

[Anonymous No.6056337]

>>6055301
>real self awareness
A contradiction. Untestable spiritualism drivel is the epitome of fiction.

[Anonymous No.6057858]

>>6055265
>Social behavior isn't illogical

Actually it is very logical and easily explicable.

[Anonymous No.6057865]

>>6056337
It doesn't exist, that's the point. Something that tries to analyze itself will get stuck in an infinite loop.

[Anonymous No.6057886]

>>6048271

Do you expect me to read all that?

BOOOORIIIIING

[Anonymous No.6058808]

>>6057865
There is no such thing as "infinity".

[Anonymous No.6059984]

>>6055265
>but it's actually a set of twelve labels each with their own severity

What are the 12 labels?

[Anonymous No.6060165]

>>6048122
Because socialization is based on mass media brainwashing, and more intelligent people tend to be less susceptible to the behavioural conditioning inherent in such projects.

[Anonymous No.6060169]

>>6058808
You know what I mean. A process with no termination point.

[Anonymous No.6060850]

>>6060169
Such a process is impossible.

[Anonymous No.6061776]

>>6060850
It is possible. A process that never starts can never end.

[Anonymous No.6061795]

>>6048122
>not left-handed
Disregarded/10

[Anonymous No.6062103]

>>6048122
ITS MALCOM