LFTR

[Anonymous No.6012224]

http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1luupt/askscience_ama_ask_a_molten_fluoride_salt_lftr/

Molten fluoride salt (LFTR) engineer is currently doing an AMA at /askscience. I know /sci/ is full of thoriumfags so you might wanna know.

Also LFTR/thorium/nuclear thread.

[Anonymous No.6012230]

bumping with thorium propaganda.

[Anonymous No.6012270]

[Anonymous No.6012276]

[sage No.6012277]

Solar power is the future.

[Anonymous No.6012283]

>>6012224
>http://www.reddit
Stopped reading there...

[Anonymous No.6012281]

>>6012277

Solar power is a gamble. Thorium is a sure thing.

[sage No.6012295]

>>6012283

pls... reddit is good when it comes to stuff that is not controversial / politically charged.

[Violent Simians Guy No.6012296]

Born just in time to hear a lot of hot air, not created by Thorium reactions.

Pic related.

[sage No.6012301]

>>6012296

b-but... the Chinese..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor#Chinese_Thorium_MSR_project

[Violent Simians Guy No.6012319]

The pictures continue to relate. If only Thorium DID produce as much economical heat as /sci/ does.

[Violent Simians Guy No.6012325]

>>6012301

The Chinky Chinks are making all sorts of stupid investments with their huge warchest of otherwise worthless Ameros. So what? People who have made WORKING THORIUM REACTORS so far have just shut them down and scrapped 'em out. That's the only thing that will happen in China.

Thorium serves no useful purpose since ALL civilian nuclear power is a byproduct of military nuclear efforts. You can't make a nuclear bomb from Thorium; therefore you can't have a Thorium power industry. That's the real reason for nuclear power today: To provide for nuclear weapons and to some degree a nuclear navy. Uranium and plutonium are used for those. Nothing else. Nothing else, FOREVER.

[Anonymous No.6012341]

[Violent Simians Guy No.6012343]

If Thoriumbros are unable to get laid, then why aren't they bred out of the gene pool? Pic related.

[Anonymous No.6012367]

>>6012325
>Uranium and plutonium are used for those. Nothing else.

[Anonymous No.6012368]

>>6012295
reddit is never good.

[Anonymous No.6012401]

>>6012343
because thoriumbrohood is not genetically spread

[Anonymous No.6012459]

Why does nobody ever do an ama on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.6012463]

>>6012459
Because you couldn't just downvote the difficult questions.

[Anonymous No.6012464]

>>6012459

I am an anonymous poster, ask me anything.

[Anonymous No.6012467]

>>6012459
Because they get deleted.

https://archive.installgentoo.net/sci/thread/S5979147

[Anonymous No.6012478]

>>6012463
I like you.

[Anonymous No.6012483]

>>6012478
Why do people make such large screenshots? Do you really expect someone to read a load of shitposting from /v/ about reddit?

[Anonymous No.6012489]

So where does it go sour ? On paper Thorium sounds very very good as an energy source, so are the reactors too expensive or what ?

[Violent Simians Guy No.6012508]

>>6012489

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THTR-300

It goes sour since it's really not what we do with nuclear power. We do Uranium. Nothing else.

The investment in nuclear power is already made. And the West (at least) doesn't know how to invest in stuff anymore. So if it wasn't already done in the past, it won't be done in the future. The rate of decommissioning should ensure the US "fleet" of commercial nuclear reactors will shrink over the coming decades.

[Anonymous No.6012509]

>>6012283
>>6012368
>not knowing how /r/askscience works
>2013

[Anonymous No.6012516]

>>6012489
The density of the fissile isotope of Thorium in its natural state isn't enough to start a chain reaction.
Which means you need to enrich it in a breeder, and then transfer it to a reactor. This does complicate the whole logistics and makes the initial investment high.
Once you're set up though, it's fine.

Second thing, there aren't that many places in the world that have dense enough deposits to make it interesting. It's mostly India, and America a little bit.
So unless you're the US, India, or a country with strong relations with India (the US never sell their natural resources), it's not really that good an option.

[Anonymous No.6012517]

>>6012509
It's not a problem with know how it works.
It has everything to do with the fact that reddit is shit.

[Anonymous No.6012519]

>>6012516
>Second thing, there aren't that many places in the world that have dense enough deposits to make it interesting. It's mostly India, and America a little bit.
>So unless you're the US, India, or a country with strong relations with India (the US never sell their natural resources), it's not really that good an option.
Or, you know, any rare earths metal mining, which is in lots of places.

Or if it comes to it, any place that has granite, which is the most common constituent of the continental crust of this planet. The fuel costs of the reactor are so small that it would be cost and energy effective to mine literal granite for its thorium content (or uranium content).

[Anonymous No.6012520]

>>6012489
No one is putting up the money for building some prototypes. Except maybe the Chinese. And the US industry is not interested. And the US NRC will shit on any attempt because the NRC's "job" is to shit on nuclear and block it as best as it can.

[Anonymous No.6012521]

>>6012517
>2cool4reddit

*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.6012529]

>>6012325

>You can't make a nuclear bomb from Thorium; therefore you can't have a Thorium power industry. That's the real reason for nuclear power today: To provide for nuclear weapons and to some degree a nuclear navy.


Bullshit. Commercial nuclear power has never produced any bombs, yet its here.

[Anonymous No.6012524]

>>6012281
And how do you plan to get power at night? And how do you plan to get power on cloudy days? And how do you plan to get power during the winter at high lattitudes?

[Anonymous No.6012531]

>>6012325
Also, depending on the exact LFTR design, it is possible to make a bomb. It's just probably harder than a LWR.

[Anonymous No.6012537]

>>6012521
>fedora
Could you be any more of an obvious cancerous shitposter please?

[Anonymous No.6012546]

DAILY REMINDER: Violent Simians Guy is a faggot tripfag attention whore. Just ignore his overly pessimistic ramblings.

Interesting AMA so far.

[Anonymous No.6012555]

>>6012517
Why do you hate a website so much without even knowing how it works? Are you some sort of 12 year old that hops on every 4chan bandwagon?

/r/askscience is legit

[Violent Simians Guy No.6012558]

>>6012546

You posted a document whose quotes support what I just said. Nuclear power is a byproduct of military programs. That means a hidden, often high cost for development. Thorium has no such advantage. Therefore it just won't be done, at least in the West.

I'm having trouble finding a picture that sufficiently shows what an idiot you are.

[Anonymous No.6012561]

>>6012555
>Why do you hate a website so much without even knowing how it works?
Typical reddit slob who can't read.

[Anonymous No.6012564]

>>6012561
>It's shit. Just it's shit.

Typical teenager

[Anonymous No.6012566]

>>6012558

Nuclear power WAS a byproduct of military research in the beginning (which is what caused the choice of wrong research direction in the first place). Its not now, and it does not have to be in the future.

High cost of development is not a problem if the promise is also high. There are pretty big investments in other energy projects like fusion or the whole renewables sector, even though it has no direct military applications.

[Anonymous No.6012585]

>>6012564
Feel free to leave any time.

[Anonymous No.6012588]

>>6012585
>implying it's me who should leave

Why are you even in this thread? Just to talk shit about Reddit for no reason?

[Anonymous No.6012610]

>>6012224
>fluoride salt chemist/engineer
>I've run corrosion tests with lesser salts

Sounds like the perfect person to ask about Hastalloy-N and whether it really can bear up to years of high temperature FliBe salts. That seems to be one of the sticking points of making a modern LFTR.

[Anonymous No.6012620]

Why not liquid calcium?

[Anonymous No.6012687]

>>6012224
I just read through it. Surprisingly meaty!

To be clear, he is a fluoride salt researcher, he has no opinion on the Thorium application. They are putting together a proposal for a waste burner instead. Though he said they are giving lots of advice to the Chinese LFTR program!

[Anonymous No.6012887]

>>6012519
>Or, you know, any rare earths metal mining, which is in lots of places.
Holy shit you thoriumfags need to stop being so fucking clueless and look at some facts.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Current-and-Future-Generation/Thorium/#.Uip7VT8Xcto
No thorium is not a magic ressource readily available everywhere.
The utility of thorium to your country is directly proportional to the trade relations you have with the countries at the top of the list.

[Anonymous No.6013018]

>>6012887
I was told 6% of florida beaches are thorium, and filling a bucket would hold more energy than I could use in a lifetime.

[Anonymous No.6013048]

>>6012887
Mineral sands aren't the only source of thorium. There's an unlimited amount available from common granite, through weak acid leaching.

The process is kind of like fracking. You crack up some rocks in the ground, pipe a very weak acid through them, and then you get all sorts of heavy metals in the acid, including uranium and thorium.

Anyway, such a small amount of thorium is used for fuel that the price is insignificant no matter how you're getting it, just like uranium when you're using breeder reactors.

[Anonymous No.6013176]

The bigwigs won't allow it, not until their oil is used up.

We would already have achieved the singularity if it isn't for these faggots.