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I'm somewhat new to this board, and I'm just wondering;
what's so bad about biology?
I'm not trying to say it's superior, I just want to know why you all seem to hate it.

>> No.5916119
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5916119

>>5916095

>> No.5916127

>>5916095
Because it is the easiest of the big 3 sciences, accomplish-able by 'average' people who work hard. Everyone on this board masturbates to the idea that they are far beyond 'average', and look down on anyone who doesn't study anything inline with their own 'advanced' level.
I couldn't care less, and like biology (though I don't study it personally).

>> No.5916132

>>5916095
Nobody here has actually graduated uni and been out into the real world. They just fantasize about their engineering degrees and all the money they think they'll be making. Don't worry too much. This is 4chan, after all.

>> No.5916146

>>5916095
because it's all memorization. Although getting your PhD in biology or any other science is respectable.

>> No.5916152

>>5916127
>>5916132
thanks, I had to make sure if it was serious or trolling.

>> No.5916157

>>5916095
It's memorization with very little intuition. Molecular is for aspies and evolutionary is the only field that requires a modcium of critical thinking, hence "soft" science.

>> No.5916161

>>5916152
It's both. They are delusional, but they make it into a repetitive thing because they want to troll, too.

>> No.5916165

>>5916095
Nothing. You will find that 90% of sci does maths/phys/engineering and so like to band together and pretend other sciences are rubbish. It could just be a group membership type response, but I think it is deeper than that. As with most people on 4chan, /sci/ posters have some issues in RL, most notably with socialisation and self esteem. While not everyone is explicitly fedora, the general sense that you as an "educated" individual are somehow better than others who do all the normal socialising friends/girlfriends/sex stuff that you don't is an inviting one.

/sci/entists like to rationalise their abject failure to integrate with the rest of humanity as a personal choice. They base their self-worth on the notion that they are "above" their peers. Unfortunately, very few are actually that smart. They are all at community colleges or shitty state universities. This creates a problem: how do they reconcile the fact that they feel special but demonstrably aren't?

Enter things like the maths circlejerk. It enables them to retain their feeling of superiority because they are doing a "proper" subject (whatever that means). They'll tell you how the only reason they don't already have a field's medal is because they are lazy/they had bad teachers/some other circumstance conspired against them. Every single one is a genius who just hasn't been accepted as one yet. And the reason they aren't at proper universities is because you can only get into an Ivy if you are poor and black and the system is out to get them.


tl;dr - bio is fine, /sci/ is full of autists

>> No.5916167

>>5916157
>growing organs from scratch
>making medicine
>genetic modification
>soft

>> No.5916173

>>5916165

this is an excellent breakdown of what is the source for the majority of sterotypes in /sci/, and other boards like /pol/ and other parts of 4chan aswell

>> No.5916176

>>5916165
so basically almost everyone's a circlejerking autist. thanks.

>> No.5916179

>>5916165

this post is right on the fucking money.

>> No.5916187

>>5916179

wrong

STEM majors complain and make fun of other majors all the time. it just so happens that some of those people are also on 4chan

>> No.5916188

>>5916165
>4chan explained
>stop liking what i dont like

>> No.5916197

>>5916167
biologists do not make medicine

>> No.5916199

>>5916197
Modern drug development requires co-operation between structural chemists and all kinds of biologists

>> No.5916201

>>5916187
There is a difference between general subject banter and the tedious "maths is best" shit /sci/ peddles

>> No.5916310

>>5916165
most interesting thing i've seen on /sci/ in a while

>> No.5916317

>>5916095
If someone told you that "biology is not a hard science," they are a meme-spewing idiot repeating a phrase somebody used to spam on the board.

>>5916127
>>5916132
>>5916161
>>5916165
And these butthurt idiots are why they do it. It's not really trolling as much as it is shooting fish in a barrel.

>> No.5916803

>>5916119
physics>bio>chem

>> No.5917122

>>5916803
see
>>5916165

>> No.5917123

It's gentle trolling.

Don't fall for the trolls.

>> No.5917132

>>5916165
I bump for this.
Thx anon, good summary of /sci/ and 4chan.


And btw I have a math phd, but work with chem/bio-bros and often feel "retard", cause I'm in my abstract world and have no fucking link to the reality sometimes.

>> No.5917136

>>5916165
Stated so perfectly. I may need to copy this for the future.

>> No.5917141

>>5916197
You just derped all over

>> No.5917149

some life advice OP: Don't take life advice from strangers on 4chan

>> No.5917159

>>5917149
21st century xeno

>> No.5917162

>>5916165
I imagine this does apply to a significant population

I think the main reason for the anti-biology behavior is because many of us (myself included) have only been exposed to bio via poorly taught highschool or intro level classes, that /do/focus on rote memorization instead of the "how"s and "why"s that make the science interesting and valuable. so the stereotypical /sci/entist gets turned off of bio early on, and never looks hard enough to see it as more than their first impression.

>> No.5917170

>>5916165

Half of this post is spot on and half of it is retarded.

>> No.5917174

>>5917170
>half of it is retarded
do elaborate

>> No.5917184
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5917184

biology is a difficult science and anyone who says the opposite does not know what they are talking about

>> No.5917188

>>5916095
Bio's fine, just not for me.

>> No.5917189

>>5917184
>punnet square is rocket science

>> No.5917191

>>5917189
>>>/out/

Not even that guy.

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5917212

So it's mostly trolling? I guess I should be glad.

>> No.5917243

>>5917212
trolling and ignorance, but more so the latter than the former

>> No.5917246

>>5916119
Biology=Complex system=Mathematically Rigorous

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>>5917243
It's just that I legitimately got into it because it interests me (although teachers might have influenced that a lot, but that always happens I guess) and I really didn't hear anything about 'soft' sciences appart from social sciences until /sci/.

>> No.5917266

>>5917263
It's because no-one in the real world thinks this, only /sci/

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5917282

There is no need to be upset.

>> No.5917326

Nothing wrong with biology per se, but it's wrong to have tenured professors "specializing it", and it's even worse for them to claim to be more worthy of talking about it than a physicist/chemist/mathematician. Biology is just a special case. It ought to be a wing of the chemistry department, or even part of a more general "science department" (staffed by non-tenured adjuncts).

>> No.5917360

>>5917326
>not sure if troll or full blown retard

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>>5917360
A university wouldn't have a "neutrinos department" or a "Stokes' theorem department". Anyone in those "fields" would go in the respective physics/math departments. Likewise, anyone specializing in biology belongs in the chemistry or maybe philosophy department

>> No.5917387

>>5917372
>everything is part of the philosophy department

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>>5916095
because this board is filled with virgins who have no way to validate themselves except for their math ability that just so happens to be a product of their lack of a social life. thats why.

>> No.5917399

>>5917372
HAHAHHA biology has its own huge department. what are you in fucking community college???


here OP http://cals.ufl.edu/students/undergraduate-minors.php

>> No.5917406

>>5917399
here this might be a better resource:

http://major.biology.ufl.edu/tracks-careers/curricula/

>> No.5917423

>>5917372
I don't think you understand how universities work. Or biology. Here is an example: http://map.cam.ac.uk/directory/

>> No.5917431

>>5917372
Biology doesn't have an "ATP department" or a "marsupial reproduction department". Like the other sciences, departments are aligned to broader areas.

>> No.5918509

>>5917372
wat

>> No.5919644

>>5916095
Somewhat related to OP's question, since I, too, have only been on /sci/ for a relatively short amount of time, but what is /sci/'s general view on medicine? Either as studying it at uni or as a job

>> No.5919706

>>5919644
/sci/ doesn't like medicine for the same reasons as >>5916165 states. It is viewed as an exercise in memory and not understanding, and I think they resent the job security and prestige afforded with it.

>> No.5919733

>>5916165
This is the best summing up of /sci/ and 4chan in general I've ever seen

>> No.5919871

>>5916165
this should be stickied / become copypasta

>> No.5919977

>>5916119
What about biophysics, computational biology, systems biology, theoretical/mathematical biology, etc.

>> No.5919983

>>5919977
Most of /sci/ is still struggling through undergrad

>> No.5920028

>>5916165

I like this, but I think it overcomplicates the real explanation. When you get down to it, most of the users of /sci/ are quite simply not intelligent or mediocre at best. Sure, there are intelligent people here (intelligence consisting of actual accomplishments, not passing AP algebra in high school and getting 125 on iqtest.dk). People don't want to believe they are average, but it's the truth. Some of the more spergy ones make stupid forced memes like the biology one. The vast majority fail to realize that being a freshman STEM major does not certify a person as "smart".