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Came across this video earlier.
Surprised it hasn't gone viral.
What does /sci/ think?

Do you think the scientific community should feel obliged to promote such ideas, just like people like Sagan and Attenborough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDSa2xTEj6U

>> No.5850548
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5850548

>politicization of science
Nein, danke.

>> No.5850557

pop scientists like sagan are leeches who suck up public science funding to fund their books and tv shows which amount to fiction, serving no actual scientific purpose. also, OP strikes me as having homosexual mannerisms

>> No.5850578

>>5850548

I guess I didn't make it quite clear. This isn't about politicization of science. Science itself won't change. But this is about how we promote science to the general public. People who understand it well (i.e. the scientific community) would come out and offer solutions to the world's biggest problems (such as bio-environmental sustainability and sustainable energy), but with a rational approach.

>>5850557
I don't think this is about publishing books and personal gain. You're forgetting that science is not solely about directly contributing to the research but also about spreading the ideas to the general public AND more importantly encouraging future generations to pursue these paths.

People like Sagan have been the inspiration of many scientists in our generation, and that is one of the most contributions to science and human knowledge that any of us could dream of making.

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>>5850532

The video is quite well-made. I'd love to see more Sagan quotes turned into videos like this. Seems like it came out recently so I guess it will eventually accumulate more views.

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>>5850587

Cool man. I managed to get in touch with the guy who made it (asked him for the thumbnail too).

I'll ask him if he plans to make any more. Would be cool to see a Feynman one as well.

>> No.5850612

>>5850578
>about spreading the ideas to the general public AND more importantly encouraging future generations to pursue these paths
Since when? Sounds like you need to lay off the popsci rubbish.

>> No.5850624

>>5850612
Since always. I'm not presenting some weird new idea here. I'm just saying inspiring future scientists is important.

I don't understand what your problem is with popularizing science and encouraging more people and especially future generations to get involved.

Science isn't meant to be some exclusive esoteric club for the cool kids.

>> No.5850645

>>5850612

undergrad science student detected

>> No.5850648

>>5850532

I think a lot of them do. But changing the overall mindset of people and making them actually care probably requires more time and effort.

Like the video.

>> No.5850674

bump for interest

Was having a similar conversation with a physicist friend of mine recently.

>> No.5850692

a bit on the pop science side but what can you do? if you don't make science interesting for the masses you won't get the funding for the professionals

>> No.5850701

>>5850624

we don't need people who are motivated into science because of Godel-Escher-Cock. they make terrible scientists, every last time. in the unlikely event they manage to get a PhD, the absolute best they'll accomplish is to be some nameless lab bitch, who secretly was only hired out of pity anyway.

Good scientists didn't become that way because of Sagan. They became that way because of Euclid's Elements, or Feynman's lecture notes, or Shulgin's TIHKAL, etc. etc.

>> No.5850722

>>5850701

[citation needed]

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>>5850532

Sagan FTW

>> No.5850734

>>5850701
>Accept by baseless claims.

The head of my department was motivated to get into astronomy because of Patrick Moore and Sci-Fi. He has 2 nature publications as lead author.

>> No.5850762

>>5850692
We should force people to fund scientific programs rather than resort to pop-sci.

>> No.5850792

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLkC7ralR30
Original and better version.

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>>5850792
I prefer OP's. Better sound quality and it has more potential to be shared around.

But then again, the original has Sagan in it, so it's a tie.

>> No.5851632

bumping for interest

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5851659

we sagan/feynman thread now

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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRmbwczTC6E

Mandatory

>> No.5851694

>>5850762
Your zealous distaste for pop-sci is embarrassing, stop it.

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>>5850762

>> No.5851847

>>5850548
you do realize science funding and therefore science is completely controlled by politics? There is a reason its so goddamn hard to get grants right now.

>> No.5851873

>>5851847
space age saids whaaaaaat, shiiiiiiiiiiiiyt

>>5851694
thank you real talk. elitism even against pop-sci risks damaging even the smallest childs curiosity, and i fucking hate kids.

its like saying 'nah i only do heroin out the needle, fuck that oxycotin shit'

>> No.5853920

bump

>> No.5853968

I don't know if it's only one guy who is anti-popsci in here, but I have to say I'm with you.

I hate all the popsci bullshit I see everywhere. Hardcore, nuts and bolts, concrete science culture has been gradually infiltrated and replaced by touchy-feely, 'muh stars', and 'muh miracle of life and the universe', bullshit artistry.

People who love popsci and think it's oh-so-important just look at the floating, empty gazing, gussied-up BS being spewed everywhere and think 'this is the only possible way children can be attracted to doing science', and 'this is the only possible way to disseminate scientific knowledge to the general population'.

It's fucking disgusting.

I don't mind Sagan so much but Brian Cox's face makes me physically ill.

>> No.5854115

>>5853968

>'this is the only possible way children can be attracted to doing science', and 'this is the only possible way to disseminate scientific knowledge to the general population'.

Who claimed that?

>> No.5854927

Just got around to watching OP's vid.
Thumbs up

>> No.5854975

Is pop sci bad because it creates and attracts people like pseudo-intellectuals neck beards that cant think for themselves and eat up everything others say?

I'm confused why /sci/ hates pop sci