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/sci/ what does it take to preserve DNA, would a toenail clipping be enough or do you have to flash freeze some blood etc and keep it in storage?

My goal is to make a few million dollars and by the time I'm 80 or 90 have some scientists in China clone me a new body with the DNA from when I was 20 years old. The only thing I'd have to worry about aging at that point would be my brain and there should be plenty of drugs for Alzheimer/dementia out by then.

>> No.5778286

>>5778273
Either would work, but your DNA itself does not age, only your body does. You could take DNA from your 90 year old self and use that for a clone; you would not need the DNA from your younger self. It would still be the same.

Making a clone of yourself is not a viable method for immortality. The clone would be a separate person with it's own unique soul. It would not be possible to implant you into the younger body, and it would be unethical to try, as the host would be murdered in the process.

>> No.5778297

>>5778286

>Making a clone of yourself is not a viable method for immortality. The clone would be a separate person with it's own unique soul. It would not be possible to implant you into the younger body, and it would be unethical to try, as the host would be murdered in the process.

That's why I'm doing it in China, silly. I'm not sure if a few million will even be enough to do this though, I hope I can one day start an extremely successful business in order to be guaranteed enough money for this procedure.

>> No.5778300

>>5778297
>It would not be possible

>> No.5778305

>>5778297
>unique soul
i didn't read all the words in these posts, but i think it's safe to assume we're scooping out brains and doing the old switcharoo?
but you know the chinese, they'll probably just eat the old body and young brain in a soup
>i'm okay with it if they are

>> No.5778309

>>5778300

Why not? I'm sure science would have advanced enough in 60-70 years to perform a procedure like this if I had enough money.

Also, are you sure the DNA of my 90 year old self would be just as good, I thought the reason why that cloned sheep died so young was because it received the DNA of an already aged sheep with shortened telomeres.

>> No.5778311

>>5778305
>i think it's safe to assume we're scooping out brains and doing the old switcharoo
I think that is what he was implying, yes.
But it would be murdering the clone of yourself just so you can hijack their body.

>> No.5778314
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5778314

>>5778311
it's only murder if you get caught

>> No.5778312

>i didn't read all the words in these posts

that is a wise policy

>> No.5778320

>>5778314
How would you not?
It would be very obvious if a 90 year old man suddenly hijacked the body of a 20 year old.

The brain is extremely complex and intricate, you can not simply detach it like a USB cable and just stick it into any body you like; it is just not that simple.
it can not be done.

>> No.5778317

>>5778314
she faked

>> No.5778324

>>5778286
>your DNA does not age
What are telomeres?

>> No.5778330

>>5778324
stereoisomers.

>> No.5778336

>>5778320
i'm just saying i'm okay with op attempting it
hell i'll give it a go when my body craps out if it's my best chance

>> No.5778339

>>5778336
Your best chance at what?
For each life, there must also be death.
You should accept it, and you should not seek immortality.
A futile quest.

>> No.5778354

>>5778339
i'll accept nothing of the sort

>> No.5778353

>>5778320


>The brain is extremely complex and intricate, you can not simply detach it like a USB cable and just stick it into any body you like; it is just not that simple.
it can not be done.

Russians managed to keep a dog head alive for a few minutes and that was decades ago. I think the only major problem would be reattaching my spinal cord which hopefully they can fix with stemcells.

>It would be very obvious if a 90 year old man suddenly hijacked the body of a 20 year old.

I'll just get plastic surgery for my face and steal the identity of someone young.

>> No.5778360

>>5778353
>Russians managed to keep a dog head alive for a few minutes and that was decades ago.
Been debunked long ago. It's almost an /x/ or /b/ legend.

>> No.5778359

>>5778353
>Russians managed to keep a dog head alive for a few minutes and that was decades ago
I hate that experiment.

They did not swap its brain with anything, they just kept its blood oxygenated, which kept the dog alive.
This is completely different to swapping brains into different bodies.

>I think the only major problem would be reattaching my spinal cord
A pretty big problem, yes.

>>5778354
It is inevitable, whether you accept it or not.

>> No.5778362

>>5778359

I want to swap out my neurons one at a time with synthetic substitutes. I put you in charge of this.

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5778365

>>5778360
No. It did happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSggSPjUYRw

>> No.5778394

>>5778286
Yeah, it just gets damaged every time it copies...

>> No.5778392

>>5778273
you will die like a dog and be gone forever

>> No.5778395

Wouldn't it be easier to liquid-nitrogen yourself and wait for a few centuries until medicine is advanced enough to revive you from in there? I hear they're handing that out to everyone who pays like 150 dollars a year while they live.

>> No.5778398

>>5778360
I remember seeing a few scientists getting a rat heart beating after being dead for a week

>> No.5778400

>>5778394
So then you take 20 cells and fix the errors. We're talking about the computing power of in 50 years, they are already now decoding genomes in... what was it? A few days a genome?

>> No.5778403

>>5778398
That doesn't sound hard, you only have to get the muscles to spasm, which only requires fresh blood and the right electrical input.

>> No.5778405

>>5778395
No, when you freeze yourself, the blood cells in your body burst. All those people are dead, paying for their own murder unfortunately.

>> No.5778407

>>5778395

No, there has been institutes like that who've gone broke and have had the bodies dethaw and rot. Besides, why would anyone want to spend possibly millions and millions of dollars reviving a few hundred dead guys unless they were legendary scientists or something?

>> No.5778411

>>5778405
That only happens if you freeze slowly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_freezing
How do you think frozen food is made?

>> No.5778414

>>5778407
Wouldn't you revive arbitrary blokes from the 15th century to ask them questions?

>> No.5778413

>>5778360
>Confirmed for know nothing retard

Japs cut the head off one rat and grafted it onto another

>> No.5778417

>>5778309
Your brain would still be 90. You'd have more than Alzheimer's to worry about - your brain cells would just stop dividing. You'd get diseases never before seen.
Also, a few million would never do it. This is really high tech stuff - you'd have to be funding most of it yourself over time.

>> No.5778425

>>5778417
He wont be the only guy into that, so research etc. shouldn't be the problem.

>> No.5778451

Why human body? Pick a robot body and you can have the strength of five gorillas. You'd only be five feet tall, though.

>> No.5778484

>>5778413
Sounds legit.

>> No.5779112

if a transporter could disassemble you at point A and reassemble you at point B, would the reassembled thing be "you"? or would "you" simply cease to exist, as "new you" comes into existence?

>> No.5779122

>>5779112
Define "you". If there is no observable effects then science can't answer this question and it belongs to /x/ or /lit.

>> No.5779131

>>5779122
i don't know how to frame it scientifically, it's just something interesting to think about.

for all intents and purposes it would be the same thing, but if you were cloned then you'd have an identical person running around that wasn't actually you, right?

your clone could kill you but you'd still be alive...

arg

>> No.5779173

>>5779122
Just fuck off, Sage Boy.