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Does Free Will exist /sci/?

>> No.5772975

No.

>> No.5772984

Yes

>> No.5772992

Maybe.

>> No.5773012

Technically, no. For practical purposes, yes.

>> No.5773015

I don't know.

>> No.5773017

>>5773012
Could you elaborate?

>> No.5773018

Could you repeat the question?

>> No.5773023

No. There will one day come a day where science definitively proves it is an illusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCofmZlC72g

>> No.5773020

>>5772973

can you identify it?

>> No.5773042

>>5773017
"Technically, no" because if the universe is deterministic (or merely quantum-indeterministic) then there is no reason to believe that our actions can't be analyzed and predicted with physical calculations.

"For practical purposes, yes" because we've evolved a sense of free will (along with consciousness, memory, etc.) in order to survive. No one's sure how this has happened, but hopefully we'll get there.

>> No.5773048

>>5773017
Your will is only a product of your body and outside forces, and maybe some element of real randomness. You can do what you want, but you cannot want what you want.

But since there is no all knowing observer, determinism doesnt matter. Also when you you see your whole body and history and not only your conscious thought as yourself, it ist still your own will.

>> No.5773046

>>5772973

It's a legal concept. You can get your sentence reduced if you can prove you don't have it.

>> No.5773054

Well that depends on if you believe in god, and what kind of god you believe in.

If your god (assuming that it is the designer of the universe or any process that lead to this universe) is omniscient, then no, there can be no free will.

Otherwise, sure, why the fuck not?

>> No.5773062

>>5773054
>it depends on if you believe in god

No it doesn't, if free will is true, its true for me and its true for you. If its false its false for the both of us. Believing in god, whether he exists or not does not change the validity of free will.

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>> No.5773064

>>5773054
You would really have to define what free will is. The way most people seem to define it, it isnt even a question of wether it exists, it just doesnt make sense to begin with.

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>> No.5773070

>>5773062
I think he meant that the belief in god makes believing in free will illogcal, of course the belief wont change reality, but it should change other beliefs.

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>> No.5773087

>>5773065
>>5773067
>>5773068
>>5773069
>>5773071
>>5773073
>>5773077
>>5773080

I get the feeling you don't care for Philosophy.


Do you happen to know which personality disorder is marked by indifference to praise and blame?

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5773086

How can you believe in Free Willy if it's just a Delphinidae( an Ocra) ?

>> No.5773092

>>5773086

I believe that dolphins can fly.

or something

>> No.5773107

>>5773087
>Do you happen to know which personality disorder is marked by indifference to praise and blame?

schizoid

>> No.5773114

>>5773023

>Our subjective experience of free will and other things
>"I don't have an answer so I'll call it an illusion"
>Scientific

Ladies and gentlemen, /sci/

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>>5773114

>> No.5773118

>>5773116

There it is, complete with sage even!

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>>5772973
This is functionally the same as "If a tree falls in the forest and there's nobody around to hear it, does it make a sound?" It's a question of definitions rather than a productive question about facts. If you first define what you mean by free will, the question disappears... because by whatever definition you chose, its respective answer becomes obvious.

>> No.5773343 [DELETED] 

bump

>> No.5773351

>>5773188
Winner

>> No.5773409

>>5773092
if they wanted to

>> No.5773418

>>5773188
thatz no real pic, i bet she's standing on a chair or something

>> No.5773451

>>5772973
>>>/x/

>> No.5773463

>>5772973
Scientists while monitoring the brain and asking to the patient to do certain action like moving his hand notices that the decision was made by the brain 5 seconds before the action.

>> No.5773475

>>5773463
Except this result is trivial and has nothing to do with metaphysical conclusions about free will. It is simple causality dictating that first the brain's neurons have to fire before the person can say or do something.

>> No.5773547

>>5773475
It's a decision that you make and you're not aware. How much do you think that you have free will?

>> No.5773583

>>5773547
There is no free will and there is no "awareness". Please take metaphysical or spiritual troll nonsense to >>>/x/. Science is about things that are observable and testable.