/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.5753877]

>Don't worry, nuclear power is safe, this will never happen again

[Anonymous No.5753880]

It is and it hasn't.

[Anonymous No.5753884]

>>5753880
You're right, there's never been a nuclear accident since Chernobyl. Keep preaching the truth.

[Anonymous No.5753889]

Perfectly safe.

[Anonymous No.5753894]

>>5753889
I know, just look at these photos of a perfectly safe nuclear reactor in routine operation.

[Anonymous No.5753896]

>>5753894

>Implying tsunami's flooding your building constitutes "routine operation"

K.

[Anonymous No.5753898]

>>5753896
Yeah, whoever heard of a Tsunami hitting Japan?

[Anonymous No.5753901]

>>5753884
>he thinks graphite fires are still possible
Go home, fearmonger

[Teichii !!+Ic1HejArqD No.5753905]

Completely natural.

[Anonymous No.5753907]

>>5753877
Gen III+-IV reactor versus old shit designed in the 1960's.

Passive safety measures.

Also, Fukushima was caused by negligence on the part of the company more than natural disasters or technological faults.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#Fukushima_Nuclear_Accident_Independent_Investigation_Commission
It was a six-month independent investigation, the first of its kind with wide-ranging subpoena powers in Japan's constitutional history, which held public hearings with former Prime Minister Naoto Kan and Tokyo Electric Power Co's former president Masataka Shimizu, who gave conflicting accounts of the disaster response.[202] The commission chairman, Kiyoshi Kurokawa, declared with respect to the Fukushima nuclear incident: "It was a profoundly man-made disaster — that could and should have been foreseen and prevented."[203][204] "Across the board, the commission found ignorance and arrogance unforgivable for anyone or any organization that deals with nuclear power," the NAIIC report said.[205] The report outlines errors and willful negligence at the plant before the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on 11 March 2011 and a flawed response in the hours, days and weeks that followed. It also offers recommendations and encourages Japan's Diet to "thoroughly debate and deliberate" the suggestions.[206]

[Anonymous No.5753908]

>>5753901
Super duper, it's just that you can get lethal meltdowns without graphite fires.

Go home, kiddo, you're ill educated. Come back when you recognize nuclear power for what it is, a lethal, uncontrollable monster.

[Anonymous No.5753910]

>>5753907
Nice hindsight.

[Anonymous No.5753913]

>lel

[Anonymous No.5753916]

>>5753884
The TMI meltdown was caused by the employees panicking and overriding the installed systems.

[Anonymous No.5753918]

>>5753910
Not hindsight, they knew in advance it would fuck up if they didn't prepare for a tsunami of that intensity.

[Anonymous No.5753919]

>>5753908
>tu quoque
troll/10
Anyone who's read half a Wikipedia page knows there's nothing lethal about partial meltdowns.

[Anonymous No.5753923]

>>5753918
Yes, and I'm sure that almost every person who's ever caused a death by driving would have known they could have avoided it by braking sooner.

[Anonymous No.5753927]

>>5753919
>Not lethal
I'm sure the deaths of all people within a mile of SL-1 during the meltdown were just co-incidences.

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5753934]

>Don't worry, vehicles are safe. This will never happen again.

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5753945]

>don't worry, stairs are safe. This will never happen again.

[Anonymous No.5753946]

>>5753927
Get with the times. You think we don't learn from mistakes or something?

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5753951]

>don't worry, the internet is safe. OP will never happen again.

[Anonymous No.5753954]

>>5753946
And new mistakes take their place. We must just accept that this technology is too dangerous to safely control, the risks far too grave.

[Anonymous No.5753960]

>>5753954
Bullshit. You're a horrible troll.

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5753963]

>>5753960
>don't worry, the internet is safe. no one will ever feed the trolls again.

[Anonymous No.5753987]

Here's an interesting conspiracy article about radiation.

http://owndoc.com/radiation/christopher-busby-attacked-by-militaryindustrial-lobby/

[Anonymous No.5754010]

>uncontrollable monster

this will become clear after the next 'event'
when the self-calmers' illusions collapse

"Sooner or later, in any foolproof system,
the fools are going to exceed the proofs!"

[Anonymous No.5754032]

>>5754010
No, they'll never learn. They're too invested and would rather pollute the entire world than admit their wrong.

[Anonymous No.5754041]

>>5753916

And Chernobyl was caused by the wrong shift performing a risky experiment on a dangerous model of reactor, without the proper supervisory personnel being present to oversee the operation. And it was exacerbated by the fact that the plants at Chernobyl didn't have the same sort of containment structures that non-Soviet plants have - it was basically a conventional power plant building with a nuclear reactor inside, which is crazy. Anyhow, no reactors of its type remain in service, because the graphite cores are known to be problematic.

>>5753927

That's a fancy way of saying "three people". SL-1 was in the middle of nowhere, and occurred in the infancy of nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.5754050]

>>5754041
When chernobyl went critical everyone in the world lost the right to argue in favor of nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.5754054]

>>5753954
>We must just accept that this technology is too dangerous to safely control, the risks far too grave.

You could say that about literally every technology. Accidents and death are the inevitable consequences of anything done on an industrial scale.

[Anonymous No.5754065]

>>5754054
but most don't turn the earth into a radioactive nightmare of death

[Anonymous No.5754071]

>>5754065
a lot do things on the same scale.

[Anonymous No.5754075]

>>5754065
>but most don't turn the earth into a radioactive nightmare of death

You may be exaggerating just a tiny little bit.

Consider the consequences and death toll resulting from nuclear power to, for instance, hydroelectric power (dams bursting) or coal (deaths from asthma and heart disease, mining disasters). Or how about space exploration, aviation or the automobile? If you consider one more emotionally loaded than the other because it's subjectively more scary, that's your problem...

[Anonymous No.5754088]

>they'll never learn

but the japanese people did learn
and so did the germans

imagine the next event will be in the USofA
and leave you with a huge sacrifice zone

the human psyche does not work in a linear fashion

[Anonymous No.5754095]

>Declares nuclear power unsafe.
>Provides no other reasonable method of generating power instead.

Sure, we'll stop using nuclear power just as soon as you persuade 10-15% of the world's population to go back to living in pre-industrial conditions. A percentage sure to grow as oil, gas and coal become harder and harder to extract.

[Anonymous No.5754101]

>>5754095
Wind, hydro and solar combined with increased efficiency (do more things like making light bulbs illegal)

[Anonymous No.5754103]

>>5754095
>persuade 10-15% of the world's population to go back to living in pre-industrial conditions

right, certainly you can expect fewer people to die as a result of that

[Anonymous No.5754105]

>>5754101

...but how many people die as a result of hydroelectric power?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam

Oh shit, looks like it's A LOT more dangerous than nuclear!

[Anonymous No.5754110]

>>5754105
But you won't die if you return to the area. But, yo already knew that, you're just banking on fooling the population to push your agenda.