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A private organization that wants to send 4 humans to mars in 2023 and create a permanent colony, with no plans of bringing them back to earth.
Will it work? would you agree to do it?
http://mars-one.com/

>> No.5721115
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5721115

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4tgkyUBkbY

>> No.5721120

>>5721112
>colony
>permanent
choose one

>> No.5721126

>>5721120

>colony
>permanent
>America

(you're stupid)

>> No.5721127

We know.
IT might.
Yes.
>Hypotheticals

>> No.5721130

>>5721120
Do you know what a colony is?...

>> No.5721136

>>5721112
potential is mind blowing!!!

>> No.5721137
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5721137

>retards volunteering to die for nothing

>> No.5721138

>>5721115

Should add
>2040 - Everybody forgets about them and they die slow painful deaths due to no resupplying

>> No.5721147

Is Robert Zubrin part of this somehow? Judging from the picture alone, I wouldn't doubt they would utilize his Mars Semi-Direct plan.

>> No.5721149

They're line of thought is absolutely correct. Shuttling people between planets is absolutely impractical, but establishing a permanent, independent colony is just logical.

>> No.5721156

>>5721137


They will be remembered in history loike Neil Armstrong, or at least people will remember the first one who puts a foot on mars.

>> No.5721157

>>5721138
>Not adapting to your environment and living off in-situ resources indefinitely
Pleb

>> No.5721165

If we going to get serious about extraplanetary expansion and settlement we should first start building a colony on the moon.

Manily for the fact that it would be easier to perfect immigrating to other stellar bodies.

>> No.5721172

>>5721157
realizing adaptations take several generations.

>> No.5721171

>>5721165
>we should first start building a colony on the moon.
Not necessary.

>> No.5721177

>>5721175
Do you want humanity to go extinct on Earth?

>> No.5721178

>>5721171
why

>> No.5721175

>>5721171
neither is building a colony on mars

>> No.5721187

>>5721177
You want humanity to go extinct on Mars?

>> No.5721189

>>5721178
Because we can "perfect immigrating to other stellar bodies" on Mars just as well, if not better, considering it's even further away, so building a self sustaining colony is key.

>> No.5721190

>>5721187
Because every human is being shipped off to Mars, right?

>> No.5721196

>>5721172
I'm not talking about genetic adaptations, you dumbass.

It's a planet. A whole fucking planet with its own resources. You just have to figure out how to use them (something we're already beginning to do).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-situ_resource_utilization

>> No.5721194

>>5721177
no, but i think we need to test in extremes first.
basically if we can settle on the moon. We can settle anywhere (except maybe gaseous planets)

the moon is also closer is shit goes down. and its a relatively short supply chain.
earth--->international space station--->moon

>> No.5721202

>>5721194
>i think we need to test in extremes first.
What's not extreme about Mars exactly?

>the moon is also closer is shit goes down. and its a relatively short supply chain.
>earth--->international space station--->moon
How is that testing in an extreme if you can get supplies that easily?

>> No.5721199

>>5721194
>Stopping at the ISS on the way to the Moon
You don't understand orbital mechanics, do you?

>> No.5721200

so what happens if one person there murders everyone?

>> No.5721201

>>5721112
They will be back. Technology advances. What is costy or simply not possible today may not be so in the future.

>> No.5721208

>>5721189
I think we'll be better at handling those emegency situations and figuring out how to solve them, if its on the moon.
The approach you're talking about is like throwing an infant into the deep end and hoping they can swim. The moon provides a much more controlled environment.

>> No.5721205

>>5721200
What happens if one person murders you and everyone you live with while you all sleep?

>> No.5721206

>>5721200
Mars zombies.

>> No.5721210

>>5721205
this is definitely the same thing.


youre an idiot if you dont see the point of this question

>> No.5721217

>>5721210
And you're an idiot if you don't see how ridiculous his question is in the first place.

>> No.5721218

>>5721210
What IS the point of your question?

If they die, they die. Shit happens.

>> No.5721215

>>5721208
>The approach you're talking about is like throwing an infant into the deep end and hoping they can swim.
Yeah? And that's how humanity has explored and expanded since ever.

>The moon provides a much more controlled environment.
The approach you're talking about is like having your kid breast fed till he's 10, and hoping that he never has to experience/do anything hard in his life.

>> No.5721234

I'd love to see what idiots they send to their death.

>> No.5721236

>>5721210
Then the person murders everyone I guess. Then eventually he dies because he cant run the entire colony by himself, or fix all of the problems that may arise.

Even if something so unlikely were to happen, it doesn't really effect whether or not the colony works as intended.

>> No.5721239

>>5721215
so you're only concerned about making history instead of science I take it.

>> No.5721253

>>5721250
See >>5721171

>> No.5721249

>>5721239
What is the value of your science if you don't intend to actually do anything of significance with your scientific capabilities? Keep fiddling around the Earth/Moon system, worrying that you just aren't ready to venture further because someone might get hurt along the way?

>> No.5721250

>>5721215
Why wouldn't you want to practice on the moon first?

>> No.5721271

>>5721200

They are going to broadcast the whole thing, if something like that happens the audience will skyrocket and the will make even more money.

>> No.5721276

Mars one is the beta version. I'm waiting for version 2.0. Thank god for beta testers.

>> No.5721277

>>5721271
If that happens, the operation is over. Don't be retarded. That would be a complete failure.

>> No.5721278

>>5721249
I don't really like gambling on what is probably going to be a multi billion dollar project.
Something that means a huge advancement in humanity, and you just want to be reckless about it.

>> No.5721281

>>5721253
Not necessary how? We never built a fucking colony... better start at a place that is close to us, maybe lose a decade, and be sure to get it right on Mars when we go. Because the public is stupid and if someone dies in space, they'll get all butthurt and want to stop funding the program...

>> No.5721286

>>5721278
>I don't really like gambling on what is probably going to be a multi billion dollar project.
So the Apollo missions weren't a gamble then? Or the discovery of the new world?

>and you just want to be reckless about it.
No, but you seem to think I do. Stop putting words in my mouth.

>> No.5721292

>>5721281
>and want to stop funding the program...
You have no concept of how short the government's, or even the public's attention span is when it comes to funding a program. As demonstrated by your statement:
>maybe lose a decade
If you don't make significant strides to achieve your ultimate goal of colonizing Mars in a decade or less then you're going to get your funding pulled because people are going to ask "why the fuck are you not on Mars yet?"

>> No.5721293

>>5721165

The objective is to send humans to mars but the main problem is bringing them back, they want to establish a colony there as a way of solving this problem. I think we should also create a colony on the moon but why wait for mars?

>> No.5721295

>>5721286
apollo 8
apollo 13
I bet NASA was really hurting after those happened.

Science doesn't care about glory

>> No.5721299

>>5721277
If some nutcase went psycho on the ISS and murdered everyone, would the US and Russian space programs be over for good?

>> No.5721297

>>5721292
You have no concept of how politicians work... They work to win an election and don't care about science...

>> No.5721303

>>5721295
>Science doesn't care about glory
Bullshit, yes it does.

>> No.5721305

>>5721281
And furthermore, building a moon base as a test is going to be massively more expensive and only cause the people funding a MARS COLONIZATION project to get sticker shock and just not fund the project outright.

>>5721295
>I bet NASA was really hurting after those happened.
Are you trying to prove my point or something?

>Science doesn't care about glory
You're the only one talking about "glory". And you're still putting words in my mouth. Everyone else in here is talking about exploration and expansion.

>> No.5721310

>>5721293
nobody is talking about food supply.
If conditions there are like africa X20 they will need some sort of food resupply. I think we need to set up infrastructure first. I thinkk we should establish a base on the moon and a space station between earth and mars.

>> No.5721311

>>5721277
Yeah, and what if someone did the same thing on your precious moon base? Guess we would prove to everyone that we can't colonize Mars or something, because it's too dangerous as one psycho nutjob might murder everyone, or something.

>> No.5721314

>>5721310
>I thinkk we should establish a base on the moon and a space station between earth and mars.
Neither of those things are going to make a resupply mission take any less time. In fact, quite the opposite.

>> No.5721318

>>5721310
>I think we need to set up infrastructure first.
Plus, why would you set up infrastructure before an actual colony?... Infrastructure naturally comes after a permanent base has been established.

>> No.5721316

if we launch a rocket from the moon will that mess up its orbit?

>> No.5721319

>>5721305
manifest destiny sounds pretty sensational to me.

I also think a moon base would be much less expensive than a mars colony, to the finanacial hit would be less.

>> No.5721325

>>5721310
>Space station between Earth and Mars
Nope. Celestial mechanics don't work that way. You can't just up and stop wherever you want to.

>> No.5721326

>>5721319
>manifest destiny sounds pretty sensational to me.
It's hardly even worth responding to your shit anymore. Are you seriously this incapable of understanding what I am, and am not saying?

>I also think a moon base would be much less expensive than a mars colony
Yeah, maybe if your actual goal is to build a moon base in the first place. If your goal is to build a Mars base, then building a moon base first makes it that much more expensive.

>> No.5721327

>>5721112

Let's make this clear. If you go on this mission you are retarded. Stay here on Earth and help build the first machine that can upload human brains. That's worth something now.

>> No.5721330

>>5721327
Unless Earth gets wiped out that is. Then you'll probably have wished we had focused on expanding to Mars and beyond.

>> No.5721331

>>5721318
>Plus, why would you set up infrastructure before an actual colony?
Because the infrastructure is what will enable your colonists to survive without continuous resupply.

It's cheaper - MASSIVELY cheaper - to set it up before you get there.

>> No.5721336

>>5721331
>Because the infrastructure is what will enable your colonists to survive without continuous resupply.
Yes. By continuously resupplying them with the infrastructure you built ahead of time right?

Here's an example for you:
>Guys, there's gold in california. Pack your bags and load the wagons, we're in for a long trek across some rugged country.
>Oh, but wait, we need to meticulously build roads and infrastructure before we can get there.
You go to point B first, then you develop infrastructure to make transit easier after the fact. Plus, as point B develops, infrastructure can be built from both point A and B.

>It's cheaper - MASSIVELY cheaper - to set it up before you get there.
No. No it's not. Stop talking out of your ass.

>> No.5721340

>>5721331
>It's cheaper - MASSIVELY cheaper - to set it up before you get there.
Furthermore, you can load and launch an unmanned capsule loaded with supplies from fucking Earth, and have it arrive in less time than some ridiculous infrastructure supply run.

>> No.5721339

>>5721330

The odds of a meteorite that can wipe out earth coming just before the invention of interstellar space travel would be very unlucky. It would be like winning mega millions in any given 4 month period where you only get one try per 4 months.

>it won't fucking happen in the next 100 years

>> No.5721345

>>5721339
You can keep stating the odds or probabilities of something catastrophic like that happening, but it doesn't change the fact that it could just as easily happen tomorrow.

>>it won't fucking happen in the next 100 years
[citation needed]

>> No.5721349

>>5721345

and yet you don't quit your job because tomorrow you are "going to win the lottery".

and that's because you don't believe it. if humans believed we were going to get wiped out by a meteorite we would have Bruce Willis and his team up there in the next 24 hours. It's that simple. Humans respond to real threats.

>> No.5721353

>>5721349
Bad analogy, and doesn't discredit my point.

Sending a colony of qualified volunteers to establish a Mars colony is not analogous.

>Humans respond to real threats.
No shit, but it doesn't change the fact that it could happen tomorrow and nobody would be the wiser. Doesn't have to be a meteorite either, could be some random gamma burst from a relatively nearby star.

>> No.5721356

>>5721353

We have telescopes, friend. Asteroids are usually visible to telescopes, especially if they're going to hit us tomorrow.

>> No.5721357

>>5721336
You must be fucking dense or something.

Keeping humans alive requires a considerable amount of consumables. A large fraction of the supplies delivered to the ISS are consumables to keep the crew alive. Meanwhile, satellites continue to operate for decades without resupply. Why? Simple: because they're uncrewed.

The same applies to a space colony. As long as people live there, it's going to need a steady supply of consumables. Consumables which cost a shitton to deliver from Earth. But since they're on the surface of a planet, they have another option - use the resources of their surroundings to produce these consumables. But that requires infrastructure - infrastructure that takes time to build.

Now of course, you COULD wait until you get there to start building this infrastructure, as you say. But each month of time it takes to get this infrastructure done is a month you're consuming the limited supply of consumables you brought with you (or are being supplied to you, at great expense, from Earth). Alternatively, you could simply send the infrastructure in advance, to be assembled via robotic means, at FAR lesser expense since there's no need to send massive quantities of consumables along with it.

>> No.5721360

>>5721356
Gamma ray burst, nigga. If you're looking at one through a telescope you're probably already dead.

>> No.5721362

>>5721360

If I'm dead, how could I be looking at it?

>> No.5721367

>>5721362
Are you familiar with Schrodinger's Cat?

>> No.5721369

>>5721362
Your spirit looks on in dismay at the destruction before it.

>> No.5721371

>>5721357
No. You are being dense. Building this infrastructure isn't going to get the supplies there any fucking faster than if you sent it from Earth.

Let me fucking break it down for you:
Mars colonies need food because their greenhouse or whatever isn't working out. You can either:
A) Send unmanned capsules full of supplies to the colony directly from Earth and have it arrive in 7-9ish months (whatever the time window is for shortest transit between planets).
B) Send supplies via your infrastructure route which would require multiple stops for fuck knows what reason. To make sure your vacuum packed food didn't get hurt along the way or some shit? Ultimately takes you however much longer to get the supplies there.

>Consumables which cost a shitton to deliver from Earth.
You're still delivering the fucking consumable from Earth in the first place you reject. You're just adding a bunch of unnecessary stops along the way.

>> No.5721372

uhh if I'm still not doing shit in 10 years I'd go if given the chance. That'd be cool if I didn't die. (Also if they'd take an average 4chan poster lol)

Steps to colonization.
research base.
gradually larger resource extraction
gradually larger infrastructure, settlements, service sector and economy.
Full scale colonization by 2200s
Full scale terraforming finished by 3000 or so.
(Oxygen rich atmosphere, high atmospheric pressure, liquid water ect)

>> No.5721381

>>5721367

I haven't seen him in a while; I assumed he died.

>> No.5721382

>>5721357
And might I add, building infrastructure isn't going to make the distance from Earth to Mars any shorter. Neither is building a Moon base. So I really don't know what the flying fuck you are going on about.

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>>5721371
>Building this infrastructure isn't going to get the supplies there any fucking faster than if you sent it from Earth.
Only the infrastructure ISN'T FOR delivering more consumables from Earth, it's for either recycling them from your own waste or processing them from Martian resources.

Get it yet?

>> No.5721390

food at first would be shitty dehydrated crap until they can build a greenhouse.
Keep in mind that the cost of keeping colonists alive would eventually be offset by the large amount of metal that can probably be extracted.
Colonizing mars is going to be a pain in the ass for the first 50 years but we'll be desperate for the solar systems resources by the 22nd century.

>> No.5721391

>>5721386
>it's for either recycling them from your own waste or processing them from Martian resources.
So then build it on Mars when you get there you dense fuck. Send stuff you need to build it in unmanned capsules before the colonists get there so it's available for use when they arrive. What's the fucking point of building any of that shit on the Moon, or making some ludicrous base between Earth Mars orbits.

Jesus fuck, it's like I'm talking to an idiot.

>> No.5721392

>>5721381
Schrodinger's gone, yeah, but I don't know about his cat.

>> No.5721393
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5721393

>>5721390
>Keep in mind that the cost of keeping colonists alive would eventually be offset by the large amount of metal that can probably be extracted.
Wait, wait... you don't SERIOUSLY think they can finance this by shipping iron ore back to Earth, do you?

>> No.5721397

>>5721391
>Send stuff you need to build it in unmanned capsules before the colonists get there so it's available for use when they arrive.
>Backpedalling this hard
>Ever

>> No.5721402

>>5721397
How is this backpedaling? People are arguing about building ridiculous space and moon infrastructure.

I never once said "yes, send people to mars without anything". But you seem to assume that I did. From the start I've argued that you send unmanned capsules filled with supplies from Earth so they can be used on Mars.

>> No.5721429
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5721429

Can you DIY a Mars Base guise?

>> No.5721430

>>5721386

They are going to send stuff to mars before the astronauts arrive, see >>5721115

>> No.5721436

>>5721429
Yes. There are training bases in the desert.

>> No.5721519

>>5721112
The website kind of pisses me off actually...

The entire plan for Mars colonization is based off of Robert Zubrin's Mars Semi-Direct plan, yet I don't see him listed anywhere in the organizations team, advisers, ambassadors, etc.

Did they seriously just steal his plan or something? Because he's been advocating his Mars plan for years now...

>> No.5721559

>spend 10 years in the making
>get everyone and everything ready
>send off astronauts on their half year long journey
>approach mars
>start landing procedure
>open parachute
>breaks
>kills everyone on board when it crashes

Whoops. Gonna need more for another suicid- i mean historical mission.

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5721605

>>5721120

>> No.5721624

>Permanent colony
>Four humans
>Four

Are you fucking kidding me.

>> No.5721630

>>5721156
Remembered, yes. Important, no. Unless they do something important like set up for terraforming, good science and tests, or mining and creating a new society.

>> No.5721636

>>5721624
I know right? Because they weren't planning on sending ANY people after that. They are under the impression that living on mars will make these four people immortal. So they're not sending anything over after the initial launch. Launching and then just saying, "good job let's go home guys".

>> No.5721645

>permanent colony of 4 humans
inb4 one kills the rest in less than 10 years

>> No.5721658

You littla bustas, they're sending more people every two years, when Mars is closest to Earth. So unless those 4 kill each other or Mars kills them in 2 years, the population will grow. Dig a little deeper in the site for crying out loud.

>> No.5721674

I'd do it.

>> No.5721688

>>5721112
>solar flare
>all spacemens die instantly due to radiation

>> No.5721695

>>5721645

basically this, theyd have to make certain the group got along together really well

IIRC the russians were scared they might have the first murder in space because this one guy really hated another guy

>> No.5721744

>>5721636
>>5721624
24 total, 4 every 2 years. Seems like you guys didn't read.

>> No.5721750

you saying this is dumb, for fuck sake this is the stuff that people dream of. i would love to be one of the first people on mars, just don't know if i could leave everything

>> No.5721764

>>5721112
"There is a fire in the hydroponics bay"

>> No.5721770

>>5721744
this: >>5721636
was sarcasm. I follow the program very closely and know the plan thus far.