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Is any neuroscience major here?

I really need to understand how neurons work/interact when you're thinking/solving a problem/remembering/etc.

Or at least share some sauce on that.

>> No.5698831

>>5698814
nobody does

obama recently gave the okay for a huge project that will help build a more dynamic image of neurocircuitry.

>> No.5698840

>thinking/solving a problem/remembering/etc.
Specify which.

>> No.5698853

>>5698840
Sorry, you're right and i feel bad cause i should know better.

Am more interested in mainly 2 things.
1) How and in what form exactly neurons store information, i read the official process and the terminologies but didn't found any literature on the actual physical/biological process itself.

2) How do neurons fire when you're creating new ideas, as far as i know new ideas are formed by retrieving memories and combining them into a new memory and store it and later recall the "new idea" like any other memory.

>> No.5699089

bumpin for potential knowledge

>> No.5699108

>>5698853
>>5698853
I don't study neurochem, but I think you are grossly understating how the brain works. We're some of the few animals that can use complex thought, and I don't believe that can be described in terms of individual neurons...

You're asking how Windows works with each 0 and 1 here

>> No.5699130

>>5699108
welp, neuroscience for dummies is very plain, where can i get more on this?

>> No.5699515

Information is stored via neural patterns, just like computers. Imagine a set of lighbulbs. Any different way they're lighting are different information. The brain connections are the lightbulbs.

>> No.5699630

>>5699515
so the neuron itself doesn't have any kind of info?

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5699666

>>5699630
But that wouldn't work, how would the brain translate the patterns?

For example
a) N1+N2+3= M1
b) N4+N5+N6=M2


If it's ONLY the patterns and not any stored information in the individual cell how would the brain differentiate 'a' pattern from 'b', obviously it would need some kind of translation.

Either each neuron can hold some info OR there is an innate ability to recognize patterns, a fixed representation of 'a' pattern or 'b'.

>> No.5699710

>>5699666
>pls respond

>> No.5700292

We don't know shit about neurons, your best shot is to study and discover yourself.

>> No.5701335

Google Hebb's Law

>> No.5701806

Consciousness arises from the complex dynamic magnetic field(s) created from charge flow within neuronal networks. Maybe self inductance plays a role.

Just kidding we don't know what "consciousness" and absolutely sure you can google your questions or at least go to a library and find a good textbook explaining some of it

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5701819

Any of you neuro-chaps looked into navigation?

>> No.5701824

>>5701806

wouldn't it be possible to create a conscious being? also if you could successfully brain transplant, would the consciousness be of the original owner? he's just basically in a new body though?

>> No.5701828

>>5699515

so when we misremember something (he was wearing white shoes, not blue shoes) there's a slight flaw in the pattern?

>> No.5701830

>>5701824

I just read the second half of your post, realised you were joking.

>> No.5701835

>>5701824
Theoretically, as long as little Gods (free will) doesn't exist then yes it's possible. But you'd need to map an Injective function between the set of brain elements (i.e., chemical, mechanical, electrical) with binary representation. Or represent the known attributes of "consciousness", which are not known to us at this point.

That is, if you plan on using a binary computer.

>> No.5701847

>>5701830
Yah I pulled it out of my ass from a knowledge of e and m

>> No.5701851

>>5698853
1) Search for infos on long term potentiation and long term depression. It is mainly that in combination with synapse formation that allows the formation of memories as far as we know.

2) I need to think about it because it calls more to neuropsychology than to cellular neuroscience (which is my domain)

>> No.5701854

>>5698853
>How and in what form exactly neurons store information
This is a subject still up for research and debate. I find the attempts at reifying the facts to fit into this pre-conceived notion of brains as computers to be wrong, but if you believe in that, here's a study which deals just with memory in terms of chemical "bits":

http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1002421

>How do neurons fire when you're creating new ideas

The answers to this question depend on getting the answers on the first one. I think there is no new information in the brain that isn't at some point a response to an environmental stimulus, so a theory which focuses solely on the brain/mind would miss half of the causation process, and wouldn't work.

Also, as someone already said, I don't think you can find the answer to those questions only by focusing on one dimension of the causative process (like at molecular level or neural networks). There's a lot of stuff happening in a human society and simply looking at changes in brain chemistry won't tell you much about how new insight comes into being...