"negative" numbers are proof that math is an illegitimate pseudo science

[Anonymous No.5694855]

Jane has 2 apples, Jim takes 3 apples from her. How many apples does Jane have?

>Mathematician
"negative 1 apple"

>Scientist
"no apples"

Feel free to tell me how the mathematician is right, i'd love to hear.

[Anonymous No.5694857]

I hope you're fucking joking.

[Anonymous No.5694863]

These are bothersome facts aren't they.

[Anonymous No.5694861]

>>5694857
so im assuming you think the mathematician is correct?

[Anonymous No.5694865]

I stopped caring about math when I was introduced to the concept of negative numbers. What a crock of shit. If your equation can only be solved by inventing numbers that can't exist, like some kind of math deity , then you are fucking wrong and the math is flawed. Same for algebra solutions that basically say "the correct answer is whatever the correct answer is". Thats what the math said transcribed to words but god forbid if i wrote in down in english instead of the ancient math runes the teacher word mark me wrong.

Math is logical and numbers never lie my ass. Math is just as flawed as any other human construct.

[Anonymous No.5694866]

>>5694855
ITT: Edgy.

[Anonymous No.5694868]

High school algebra getting you down, OP? Too hard?

[Anonymous No.5694870]

Jane has 100 dollars in bank.

Jane takes 120 dollars from bank.

How much money does she have in bank?

>Mathematician
"negative 20"

>Scientist
"negative 60. 20 overdraft and 40 overdraft fees"

[Anonymous No.5694875]

you should probably leave the board if you can't understand middle school algebra

[Anonymous No.5694896]

jim can only take two because jane only has two. jim needs to stop being a greedy niggerfaggot

[Anonymous No.5694900]

>>5694865
whatever you say buddy

[Anonymous No.5694902]

>>5694865
then why does voltage and current have a negative number, why does horizontal and vertical displacement have a negative number, why does an electron have negative charge

[Anonymous No.5694906]

Jane has 200 apples, Jim takes 2. How many apples does jane have?

>Mathematician
198

>Scientist
200 apples

Sig figs are cancer

[Anonymous No.5694910]

>>5694896
Jim is malnourished because his shitty parents don't feed him. His dad is cracked out in another state and his mom is too methed up to move.
Jim acts out at school and steals lunchmoney and food from other kids. They all hate him for it.
Jane, as he likes to be called, formerly Joeseph, has been take hormones. He didn't feel comfortable in his own skin and felt that he needed to be a woman. He grew his hair out and insists that others call him by his chosen name. Other kids don't like him much, making him an easy target with minimal drawbacks for Jim.
Jim's dad came back last night, angry and confused. Jim's dad beat his methed up mother within an inch of her life before Jim tried to leave, and was hurt as well.
Jim was fed up with his torment from the other kids over the marks on his face, and finally decided to take his emotional frustrations out on someone else. He hoped he would become a hero for picking someone nobody liked.
Jane is in an ambulance, but is bleeding profusely. Jim is in the back of a cop car, looking more like his father than ever. Jane's "Adam's Apple" has just been pried from his hands.

[Anonymous No.5694912]

>>5694906
Ugh, I fucking hated signifigant figures.

I'LL ROUND TO WHERE EVER I DAMN WELL PLEASE MRS. HUBBARD.

[Anonymous No.5694916]

>>5694910

[Anonymous No.5694927]

>>5694910
>adams apple =/= apple

[Anonymous No.5694949]

>>5694865
>numbers
>exist

>Thinking that certain numbers exist in some Platonic mathematical universe and aren't simply abstract objects that only "exist" in any meaningful sense within a given mathematical system. A mathematical system which can be defined arbitrarily to allow any sort of number we want (integer, negative, complex, quaternion, etc.).

[Anonymous No.5694950]

>>5694927
He also took her iPhone.

[Anonymous No.5694962]

>>5694949

I mean, of course numbers are useful, but no number is "more existent" than any other. Some are just more useful than others. It depends on the problem.

>>5694855

This one is easy. Your model is flawed.

[Anonymous No.5694988]

>>5694906
You included significant figures, but not uncertainties? How sure are you that there are 200 apples remaining, and not 205?

[Anonymous No.5694991]

>>5694865
>>5694949
>>5694902
>>5694900
It's sad how /sci/ can't even this the reference this guy is quoting.

[Anonymous No.5695005]

There has to be negative numbers thats how nature works. for every up there is a down. learn2tao

[Anonymous No.5695008]

>>5694855
>Feel free to tell me how the mathematician is right, i'd love to hear.

Jane has 2 dollars and borrows 3 from Jim to buy a 5 dollar apple.

Jane now has -3 dollars.

[Anonymous No.5695012]

>>5694855 (OP)
>Feel free to tell me how the mathematician is right, i'd love to hear.

Jane has 2 dollars and borrows 3 from Jim to buy a 5 dollar apple.

How many dollars does she have?

>Economist
negative 3.

>scientist
I can't do economics and haven't even read Adam Smith yet

>mathematician
negative 3

[Anonymous No.5695020]

>>5694855

Due to a quantum shift, both Jim and Jane received 1 extra apple. Though Jim did take 2 apples from Jane, it created a paradox. Thus Jim resulted with an extra apple, and Jane as too resulted with an extra apple.

The answer is positive one.

[Anonymous No.5695023]

>>5694855
I'd love to refer to mcdonalds, I've heard they love to hire people with proficiency in math similar to yours - but advertising is prohibited.

Hope you have a good day.

[Anonymous No.5695028]

>>5694910
>>5694950
10/10, I smiled

[Solardarity !DNRaYdJbog No.5695046]

>>5694855

-1 is practically an abstract concept.

OP, you're delving into the different approaches to mathematics.

On one hand; "the Scientist" says there are no apples. In a literal sense, this is correct because if Jim had 2 apples and Jane 'tried' to take 3, they'd leave with 2 and Jim would be a poor appleless fag. This is the mathematical approach where numbers and mathematics are basically for counting and have relevance on a macroscopic "right in your face" manner.

E.g. "Jim has 7 x 6 feels, how many feels is he holding?"

Answer; 42

in this sort of approach, abstract concepts such as negative numbers or indefinite decimal constants such as Pi seem illogical.

But for the mathematician, everything's dandy. He approaches this problem like it was on a piece of paper;

2 apples - 3 apples = -1 apples

To a mathematician, negative numbers, and all of the weird and wonderful mathematical constructs developed through human history are there for convenience, and do have applications on a mathematical and literal real-world level, but as you know, nobody can physically have negative apples, unless it was expressed as this:

"Jane has 2 apples, Jim takes a 3 apple loan from Jane. Jane now has a -1 apple deficit, which will be paid back to her by Jim over 25 years at a compounding interest rate of 2.25% p.a"

Long story short, on paper the mathematician is correct, but in a physical, literal, empirical sense, the scientist is right.

[Anonymous No.5695060]

>>5694861
everyone after this post is retarded

[Anonymous No.5695119]

>>5694855
This reminds me of those posts where the student disproves evolution by saying, "if evolution were true, then all rocks would be people by now". The mathematician wouldn't say negative 1 apple because in apple exchanges there's implicitly a domain of apples being greater than or equal to zero.

get wrekt faget

[Anonymous No.5695163]

is "negative 1 apple" simply not potential apples.
>potential
>science
OP you just got schooled by a middle school drop out.

[Anonymous No.5695170]

It should be pretty obvious that if you take a classic example of the real-world use of natural numbers, and apply integers to it instead, you can wind up with nonsense.

[Anonymous No.5695187]

>>5694855
You sound like the type of guy who would claim that a statistics estimate made by a mathematician would claim 67.8 people might be something instead of the fucking obvious choice of rounding down to 67.

>implying any mathematician believes there can be exactly 67.8 people
>implying any mathematician believes that an object can be "had" in negative quantities
>implying mathematics isn't the basis for a huge amount of science

Fuck OP