I think it's a cipher

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5684052]

Found this paper in an old mirror. Can anyone decipher it?
And what does the symbols mean?
For those who can't read:

42,21,9,8 52,41,9,32 12,6
01,12,32 52,7,52,3,31,3,9,21,41 52,6
41,31,52,9;6 31,21,52,61
41,31,52 52,41,9,32 12,6

and

uy,yw 8
zu 9

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5684055]

The back of it, it seems to be the same numbers as on the top row on the other side + two blots.

[Anonymous No.5684065]

What I find interesting is the arrows.
Does it imply that you read it from left to right?

Also the back is exactly the same because the ink have gone through the paper

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5684084]

I don't know. Maybe,
No, there are stuff written on the back. At the top of it.

My guess is that whoever wrote this (J.B.?) started all over at the front because of the blots he made on the back.

[Anonymous No.5684093]

In the middle is a map. There is a view zoomed out more on the left and then more zoomed in on the right. Looks maybe like a body of water? Where are you from OP? and where did you get the mirror?

[Anonymous No.5684095]

>>5684084
i think those 3 on the left by themselves is probably a date
6 might be a vowel and leaning towards 41,31,52 being the
how old is ts this mirror?

[Anonymous No.5684097]

>>5684084
May I ask, in what country and city did you find this? And how old is the "house" or mirror where you found the paper?

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5684119]

>>5684095
>>5684097
>>5684093

I live in Sweden, Lapland, and bought the mirror pretty cheaply on a local auction a few years ago.
Actually, I'm pretty sure someone at the auction told me that its country of origin is England. I don't remember the auction that well though. As I said, it was a few years ago.

I have no idea of how old it might be.

If it actually is a map it would be really exciting!

[Anonymous No.5684120]

Number 52: Appears 8 times in that sentence
Number 6: Appears 6 times
Number 41: Appears 5 times
Number 31: Appears 4 times
Number 21: Appears 3 times
Number 61: Appears once
Number 9: Appears 5 times
Number 8: Appears once

6 appears two times right after number 12

[Anonymous No.5684123]

i believe i have solved it op, although i will need somee informational confirmation. they are lan ^ latcoordinates

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5684131]

>>5684123
Really?
All of them?

[Anonymous No.5684134]

>>5684123
>42,21,9,8 52,41,9,32 12,6
all of those lat/longs plot to oceans/seas

[Anonymous No.5684135]

>>5684134
well i should say, the first one does

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5684150]

>>5684134
What makes you think so?

[Anonymous No.5684166]

>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.5684188]

>>5684150
i plotted the first one forwards in all hemispheres, it's oceans for all

the other lines are oceans (forwards) as well and relatively close to the first line but i only plotted the coordinates as they'd be if they were in englands format

i plotted the first line backwards and it's also fairly similar in location

unless the map is to a shipwreck and you're supposed to triangulate the coordinates, i don't think that's what they are

it could be mgrs, but without knowing what system it is using it's really hard to say. mgrs would be something like XY #### #### if it was a US format.

i think the letters might be the cipher offsets, but i don't really have an idea of how to apply them or why there are 3 with numbers following them

[Anonymous No.5684201]

>>5684166
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography
>mathematics, computer science, and electrical engineering

[Anonymous No.5684226]

>>5684201
>super sekret mysterious note found in magical mirror
>/sci/

Nope.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5684242]

Might just as well point out a few notweorthy things I've discovered (not entirely) by myself:

The margin of the bigger chunk of text seems to be situated to the left.
All numbers below 10 is written in one digit, except in the beginning of the second row, where there's a "01".
On the third row, there is what seems to be semicolon between 9 and 6.
The characters seems to be unevenly distrubuted, theres no "flow".
IF the numbers are supposed to be translated into letters, maybe the letters are supposed to be translated into numbers?
The highest number is 61.
Except for the numbers "01" and "12" the first digit in each number is the bigger one.

[Anonymous No.5684279]

Judging from what is written on the back of the paper, line spacing seems to be important. The text on the back seems to be identical to the text on the front, with the same spacing in front of the 52 and after the 32. I guess the author just wrote too small on the back and decided to start over.

I feel like the arrow and the letters are the key to figuring it out. It definitely seems like a message.

OP, can you describe the paper in more detail? Can you date the mirror? Where did you find the note on the mirror exactly?

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5684301]

>>5684279

The paper? Well, it's yellow-brownish, a little darker than on the image and pretty thick. It's also transparent and kinda stiff and brittle. It was folded when I found it and broke on the middle when I folded it up (fuck me). Smells like dust.

I don't know how old the mirror is. There's an empty space between the glass and the wooden back piece with the frame separating them from each other. The back piece was nailed to the frame and i had to use a hammer to remove it. There are no dates or signatures on the mirror as far as know.

[Anonymous No.5684316]

>>5684301
Does it seem like the wooden back piece was added to the mirror after the mirror was made? Does the wood have the same patina as the rest of the mirror? Can you post pictures of the nails? Could the paper have been slipped into the space without the nails having been removed?

The script and paper look very old, probably early 1800s and possibly even older.

[Anonymous No.5684329]

I may have it.

Try swapping the digits (01 is 10, 52 is 25) and then directly converting it like a is 1, b is 2, etc. On my phone or I would.

[Anonymous No.5684332]

It's written by Justin Bieber.

[Anonymous No.5684341]

>>5684226
lighten up there chap

[Anonymous No.5684374]

Lets solve this /sci/

We're going on an adventure!

[Anonymous No.5684375]

if you go to a university I would ask a professor in the discrete math department for help

[Anonymous No.5684384]

Get a few high res scans of it, OP.

A photography shop should have a high resolution professional scanner. It will help you preserve the data and possibly pick up other clues on the paper.

Also, more pics of mirror and where you found the note. Especially the nails. The more clues we have to date the paper the easier it will be to figure out.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5684405]

>>5684316

My guess is that it is a little younger than the mirror and the mirror glass, but (as you probably can tell by seeing the nails) it must've been there for quite a while. And yeah, it has a fair amount of patina as well.

You can actually bend it open little bit since some of the nails has lost their grip over the years. However, I'm not so sure that was the case when the note was hidden, though.

[Anonymous No.5684406]

post a pic of the mirror so we can estimate age then be better able to estimate encryption technique

[Anonymous No.5684410]

If it is a simple substitution cipher then that 9 letter word is most likely a proper noun (if it is even in English). Some research into some British areas might prove useful if it is from there.

[Anonymous No.5684425]

"Be sure to drink your Ovaltine"

[Anonymous No.5684433]

>>5684329
This!
If you revert the numbers, and convert into letters, it becomes:

x,l,i,h y,n,i,w u,f
j,u,w y,g,y,c,m,c,i,l,n y,f
n,m,y,i;f m,l,y,p
n,m,y y,n,i,w u,f

Since this works for all the numbers, it is likely that we're meant to decode it this way. Not done yet though. The uy, yw, zu must mean something too.

[Anonymous No.5684441]

>>5684433
That doesn't seem right but go for it.

It is most likely a cipher that needs a text and without that or more to go on it is probably unsolvable.

[Anonymous No.5684444]

>>5684433
i don't think this is it. the uy, yw.. part its likely the key

[Anonymous No.5684467]

There seems to be 2 numbers associated to "Uy" and "yw" (8) and to "uz" (9). Might mean be relevatn for the key,

You might need to find out a little more about the mirror (who made it? who bought it? etc.).

[Anonymous No.5684470]

XLIHYNIWUF
JUWYGYCMCILNYF
NMYIFMLYP
NMYYNIWUF

Supposing this is write from >>5684433, some interesting points are:

- YNIWUF repeats twice
- NMY repeats twice
- Y appears 8 times, U and W three; one of the things written in the paper is "uy,yw"

Just some general ideas, hopefully someone spots something useful.

[Anonymous No.5684477]

>>5684470
I'm too lazy to do it myself but you can try sth like ROT13 (look it up)

[Anonymous No.5684480]

>>5684477

I've already tried frequency analysis, unsuccessfully.

[Anonymous No.5684484]

>>5684441
if that mirror is 100-150 years old its probably a retarded substitution cipher and theres working and ez cryptanalysis for all of them

[Anonymous No.5684486]

just play fair, guys

[Anonymous No.5684510]

Frequency analysis of >>5684470 plus some tweaking (supposing NMY = THE instead of TOE as frequency analysis showed)

XNAUETASOI
JOSEGERHRANTEI
THEAIHNEL
THEETASOI

[Anonymous No.5684512]

I think that the order of the UY, YW, and ZU is important. The blotch in front of the Z might have been a U but the author knew that the order was important.

UY and YW is 8
ZU is 9

It has to be some sort of subraction or ratio. Multiplication or addition would mean the order is not important.

[Anonymous No.5684522]

I think OP's numbers are not accurate.

The spaces have to mean something.

[Anonymous No.5684547]

The arrow could indicate you count one letter and skips five.
If those five were discarded, the message would be too small, so perhaps it counts them too, by rearranging the arrow.

x,i,
l,u,
i,j,
h,w,
y,g,
n,c,
w,c,
f,l,
u,y,
y,n,
y,y,
m,f,
i,l,
n,p,
f,m,
m,y,
i,i,
m,u,
y,

[Anonymous No.5684550]

I think the mirror definitely has significance. Think about it, the note could be hidden in any piece of furniture, so why a mirror?

We already thought to reverse the numbers. Maybe the arrow is also reversed (read from right to left).

8 is WY, YU
9 is UZ

[Anonymous No.5684553]

>>5684550

If the arrow is inverted and >>5684547 assumes correctly, his code becomes:

C,R,
O,F,
R,Q,
S,D,
B,T,
M,X,
D,X,
U,O,
F,B,
B,M,
B,B,
N,U,
R,O,
M,K,
U,N,
N,B,
R,R,
N,F,
B,

[Anonymous No.5684559]

>>5684510
OP is from Sweden. English frequency analysis isn't going to work.

[Anonymous No.5684563]

>>5684559
He said the mirror might have come from England. Do swedes even have the characters z, u, y, and w in their alphabet?

[Anonymous No.5684566]

>>5684563
Yes. They're not used for a lot of words but they do exist, and would certainly be useful in codes.

[Anonymous No.5684586]

>>5684566
Does the mirror look Swedish in style? I think the nails appear at least 100-200 years old considering they look to be handmade. The paper and pen also appear 100-200 years old. I don't know anything about mirror design through the years but finding the origin and time period of the mirror is definitely important to decoding the message.

[Anonymous No.5684781]

>>5684486

[Anonymous No.5684836]

Interesting thread.

I'm afraid we need more information, though.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5684898]

...

[Anonymous No.5684926]

>>5684052
The contoured lines indicate a depression in the landscape and the triangle symbol indicates a recoverable mark/elevation. Maybe the numbers decipher to give co-ordinates.

[Anonymous No.5685209]

The "uy, yw, zu" reminds me of my vector/matrix algebra classes. 'u' and 'w' are common names for generic vectors, 'y' and 'z' would be coordinate axis. Since only 'u' and 'w' in combination with only two coordinate axis, this would indicate a 2D system, likely a map from above.

[Anonymous No.5685433]

>>5685209
A YZ axis wouldn't really make sense for a map.

[Anonymous No.5685507]

>>5685433
X, Y and Z being in the directions we're used to are just conventions, and varies between engineering fields. Ultimately they are just orthogonal unit vectors.

It doesn't yet explain anything though, so it may just be random junk.

[Anonymous No.5685639]

I don't know.

[Anonymous No.5685820]

>>5685507
It could be triangulation coordinates. Cartographers will figure out where they are by measuring the distances or usually angles from where they are to three places of known position. Sometimes more than three just to be extra accurate.

[Anonymous No.5685833]

>>5685639
It's obviously something. Unless OP is seriously fucking with us.

Think about it. 200 years ago, nobody would wasts their time writing and hiding a string of numbers and symbols behind a mirror. It was put there for a reason.

[Anonymous No.5685841]

>>5685820
A lot of older compasses didn't use 0-360. Instead they gave time in 0-60 and you would write down "30 minutes" instead of "180 degrees". Pic is a compass with both scales. The set of numbers on your paper are all between 0 and 60.

[Anonymous No.5685895]

>>5684341
no fun 4 u

[Anonymous No.5685894]

what about using this cipher against the letters?

UY, YW
ZU

[Anonymous No.5685906]

>>5685894
Doing so gets you S, U, and T.

The numbers after the letters might mean the shift in an Affine cipher. If this was the case, and the cipher changed for different parts of the message, it might be why frequency analysis didn't pan out.

[Anonymous No.5685913]

>>5685894
gggggggg-roup theory

[Anonymous No.5685954]

Reminds me a lot of a letter my grandpa sent to his sister when he was in Auschwitz. They had to write in code in case the guards captured their letters, so that they couldn't be traced back to anyone in particular. His letter was smuggled out in the sole of a shoe, then mailed to his sister by the person who bought it... a mirror is totally possible.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5686477]

I just noticed another thing about this piece of paper; at the upper right corner, on the left side of the number 12, the paper seems to be a little bit torn at one spot. It's pretty hard to see it on the image though.

Perhaps the author made a mistake and simply scratched the ink away?

But then again, why didn't he give the same treatment to the blot next to the "zu"?

Maybe the blot means something too?

[Anonymous No.5686485]

>>5685954
jidf pls go

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5686867]

>>5685894
There, all possible combinations. I also included the converted numbers since I think it's likely that they've got something to do with this.
However, I can't really find anything out of the ordinary in this, how about you guys?

[Anonymous No.5687027]

Some of you are really overthinking this. You dont wanna invert the separate numbers, you wanna mirror the whole thing!!
How do I know? The margin's on right (which is probably what OP meant when saying "left")

42,21,9,8 52,41,9,32 12,6 >>>>>>>>>>> 6,21 23,9,14,25 8,9,12,24
01,12,32 52,7,52,3,31,3,9,21,41 52,6 >>> 6,25 14,12,9,3,13,3,25,7,25 32,12,10
41,31,52,9;6 31,21,52,61 >>>>>>>>>>> 16,25,12,13 6;9,25,13,14
41,31,52 52,41,9,32 12,6 >>>>>>>>>>> 6,21 23,9,14,25 25,13,14

In other words:
f,u w,i,n,y h,i,l,x
f,y n,l,i,c,m,c,y,g,y w,u,j
p,y,l,m f;i,y,m,n
f,u w,i,n,y y,m,n

And also:
8 wy,yu
9 uz

There are only simple solutions to things (probably) as old as these! I don't think it will take much to convert these letters into something. The arrow and/or the letters are probably the solution.

>>5686867
That's not how you're supposed to use that key.

[Anonymous No.5687042]

>>5687027
got two numbers wrong on the second row. The correct numbers are
6,25 14,12,9,3,13,3,25,7,25 23,21,10

[Anonymous No.5687099]

SOLVED.

THE MAP IS FRENCH.

[Anonymous No.5687175]

>>5687099
Holy shit, you're right.
In case you missed it, he's saying that the line says:
LA COTE EST VERS L'OEST LE TROISIEME CAP LA COTE NORD

[Anonymous No.5687185]

>>5687175
Or, with the lines from top to bottom:
LA COTE NORD
LE TROISIEME CAP
VERS L'OEST
LA COTE EST
Hard to tell whether it's supposed to be in that order or the other order.

[Anonymous No.5687190]

>>5687185
Translation of those lines in that order:
THE NORTH COAST
THE THIRD CAPE
TOWARD THE WEST ("oest" is presumably a misspelling for "ouest")
THE EAST COAST
Sounds like sailing directions.

[Anonymous No.5687187]

>>5687175

Jus punched that into google translate to save /sci/entists some time, but of course with languages it is better to have someone French translate just for clarity

If I put in

LA COTE EST VERS L'OEST LE TROISIEME CAP LA COTE NORD

the translation is

THE EAST COAST TO THE THIRD CAP OEST THE NORTH COAST

but the translator suggests

LA COTE EST VERS L'OUEST LE TROISIEME CAP LA COTE NORD (just one U added to L'OEST

which translates to

EAST COAST WEST THIRD CAP NORTH COAST

[Anonymous No.5687198]

>>5687187
"Cap" can also be translated as the geographical meaning of "Cape", as in "Cape May", "Cape of Good Hope" etc.

[Anonymous No.5687205]

OP, if you find millions of dollars in silver bullion, please give a few thousand to 4chan

[Anonymous No.5687223]

>>5687190
>>5687198
>>5687205
I've been looking at the map and I can't figure out how it might correspond either with the text or with any geographical features I can think of. Presumably the place referred to is either around France or in one of the French colonies. Could be just about anywhere, I guess.

[Anonymous No.5687227]

>>5687099
so the cipher i posted worked, nice

i wouldnt give up yet, we did a lot from nothing so far lol. we also know that england may be a bad geographic point to focus on, or at least anything past southern england.

[Anonymous No.5687286]

I'm honestly quite surprised there was a message in there, I thought maybe someone just wrote down numbers for a memo or something and then doodled other stuff on the paper and placed in behind a mirror for shits and giggles.

I know nothing about any of this deciphering, but good job anons. What is there still that we do not know the purpose of?

What do the arrow and the dots mean?
What about the drawings?
What is the meaning of J.B.? (Most likely initials, maybe someone French? Doesn't exactly narrow it down though)

And some I think may already have been answered but I'm still unsure because I can't really keep track of the deciphering process:

Did anyone find out the meaning of uy, yw and zu (and the numbers 8 & 9 next to them?)
Were the three numbers on the upper left side separate from the rest accounted for?

[Anonymous No.5687339]

the letters must contain the last piece of the puzzle.

UY,YW 8
ZU 9

8 WY,YU
9 UZ

N CE,EA
O AF

what do they mean? Are they maybe acronyms?

[Anonymous No.5687379]

>>5687339

N CE,EA
O AF

I mean, since this is French, maybe N stands for North and O for West (Ouest)?

Although coordinates are generally given with North and East as the parameters, I think.

[Anonymous No.5687399]

>>5687379
they can be given x/y as well, but not usually in the letters. example: 42S AB (x)#### (y)####

[Anonymous No.5687410]

>>5687187
>>5687198
>LA COTE EST VERS L'OUEST LE TROISIEME CAP LA COTE NORD (just one U added to L'OEST
>which translates to
>EAST COAST WEST THIRD CAP NORTH COAST
Google translate left out the word 'vers' meaning 'toward' or 'to'

So it should read
The east coast toward/to the west, the third cape, the north coast

[Anonymous No.5687428]

>>5687099

NONA STARGNOC

[tn No.5687451]

>>5687190
My decomposition of the message would be:

> The North coast,
> The third cape to the West,
> The East coast.

In three lines rather than four. Notice how the 2nd line "Le troisième cap" occupies the width of the sheet, so it may not be an intentional line-break.

Could these three lines refer to the rest of the "clues"?

The arrow could be a cardinal direction (either North because it's the most common reference, or West, referring to the "The third cape to the West" line).

I like the idea that the arrow means "West". Indeed, you start on the North coast. Imagine that the direction of the arrow is West ("West" is "to the right"). Then North is "downward". If you're on the North coast, "downward" is the sea. Now look at the dots around the arrow: they may indicate the sea, in which case the arrow is a cape, if you see what I mean.

[tn No.5687457]

>>5687451
Also, my reason to prefer the lines read from bottom to top is that starting from the East coast and moving West, it's land, so you won't see capes or anything. I prefer to imagine that we start from the North coast and follow it Westward, it makes more sense.

[Anonymous No.5687587]

I'm not that surprised you guys figured this out, but it actually meaning something is amazing.

[Anonymous No.5687728]

bump

[Anonymous No.5687752]

>>5684119
Ah, karta.

[Anonymous No.5687781]

>>5687451

Actually, the arrow and the dots just showed the offset in the cipher. It would just be too much if it was also used to show this direction.

[Anonymous No.5687783]

>>5687451
Have another look at >>5687099 and you'll see what the arrow's for.

[Anonymous No.5687787]

>>5687457
Starting from the east coast of what? We don't even know where this map was drawn. The guy could have lived on any french-speaking island scattered all around the world, so I think each starting point may have made sense.

[Anonymous No.5687808]

>>5687781
>>5687783
Good point. I didn't realize that the arrow was already used.

>>5687787
Agreed. I'm not saying we can use these indications straight away. They may be a clue for someone who has other information like:
- Knowing where the message was originally written (by tracking where the mirror has been),
- Knowing who J.B. is and where he's been traveling,
- Recognizing the shape of the drawing and identifying them as part of a symbolic map,
- etc.

All of these seem out of our reach, of course, but I think that if someone manages to bring some new information on the table, reading the lines from bottom to top may be the best way to continue (even though I would definitely try both ways).

[Anonymous No.5687849]

Clap clap, /scI/
I posted in this thread trying to decipher it but had to study for test.

I wanted to see if someone already had solved it and googled "/sci/ cipher mirro" and with amazement i found the thread where people actually had solved it.

I am proud.

[pipe No.5687868]

I am now very eager to write some code that will find possible matches for the outline using NASAs high resolution digital coastline world maps.

I'm tinking using http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view.php?id=73934 for height maps, or the binary landmask at ftp://ftp.cscs.ch/out/stockli/bluemarble/bmng/landmask_new/

But I don't know enough about this, and I have 1000 projects already, so I won't do it. But if there are any pattern-matching geeks out there, now is your time to shine. :D

[Anonymous No.5687937]

To me, the drawings seem to indicate two views of the same map. The left map looks like a "zoomed out" view of a general region while the right looks like a "zoomed in" view of a specific location.

OP, can you describe or post a better picture of the right triangle? It looks like it has a meaningful symbol on in. Considering the author scratched out things that he messed up, he definitely meant to draw something on that triangle. I mirror the image around in paint and it looks like an Old English L. Perhaps this mark will be on a physical spot to mark the correct place.

Here are the maps which have been flipped. Since the text does appear to be maritime in nature, perhaps the spot indicated by the dot and triangle is in the water, and the lines indicate the boundary of land.

Personally, the French language to me does not cement that the message has anything to do with France. Considering the author took the time to encode a message (but included enough information to decode it) seems strange. Perhaps the French was just a final layer of encoding?

[Anonymous No.5687941]

Glad I came on /sci/ today, this is quite interesting

[Anonymous No.5687947]

[Anonymous No.5687955]

>>5687947
sheeeit

[Anonymous No.5687963]

>>5687947
COAST THE NORTH
CAPE TO THE WEST
COAST TO THE EAST

[Anonymous No.5688023]

>>5687947
>>5687963
Ehm... not really?

The world is too big for mere guessing.

[Anonymous No.5688026]

>>5688023
Odds are it's based around Europe
so not really the whole world

[Anonymous No.5688031]

>>5688023
The clue is in French, written over 100 years ago, seems to indicate something to do with navigation.

All seem to indicate that the location would be somewhere in Europe. Possibly America though that is a little less likely.

Coasts to the North and East is pretty specific. A cape to the west is also very specific. Obviously images are just guesses, but I think it is believable to narrow down the search to the European coast land.

[Anonymous No.5688056]

>>5687379
this.
to me it seems likely that the letters ce,ea and af are supposed to be translated into numerical co ordinates
think about it, they were letters to begin with, and the numbers have already been translated into letters. and what are the chances of the numbers next to them translating into n (north) and o (ouest)?

[Anonymous No.5688072]

>>5688056
Were the not used in the decryption of the message like the arrow?

[Anonymous No.5688076]

>>5688072
no

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5688090]

Well, given time frame and initials, anyone got handwriting samples on John-Baptiste Say?

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5688122]

Here we go. Golly, isn't that pretty?

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj1&fileName=mtj1page047.db&recNum=517

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5688126]

>>5688090
>>5688122
Nah, nevermind, handwriting looks way too different. Although, given the style of the J, B, I think it's perhaps the same time period? Maybe a younger JB?

[Anonymous No.5688135]

>>5688126
You only notice the similarity because it looks "old". It's more about it not being written with a pencil than about anything else, I think.

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5688141]

And the thing in that triangle on the right really looks like letters, doesn't it? Maybe the marking attached to the left of that triangle is part of a letter?

What towns in French possesions could be in this position with perhaps initals JW, YW, JU, YU, SU... what are those damned letters?

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5688146]

>>5688135
Well, I meant also, the style of written 'J.' Today's 'J' is written in the loopy style, for example. Like...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cursive.svg

[tn No.5688161]

Another wild guess.

A famous instance of a triangle related to sailing is the Bermuda triangle or Devil's triangle. It happens to:
- Be on the east US coast,
- Touch Haiti, which is French-speaking, and be very close to Martinique and Guadeloupe, which are two French overseas departments.

Could be around that? It is kinda fitting that some kind of encrypted map would involve the Caribbean.

[Anonymous No.5688162]

It's too bad these directions are relative to an unknown position.

The next step is to figure where this mirror was located when the cypher was written (not guessing based on the map/directions). The OP will need to dig deep to find out the history of who owned this mirror.

[Anonymous No.5688171]

N CE,EA
O AF

converted straight to numbers:

N 35,51
O 16

I'm not good with Lat/Long coordinates, but I tried a few combinations:

3 degrees 5.51 minutes North
1 degree 6 minutes West

(did 5.51 degrees because Europeans use commas the opposite way Americans do, right?)

That just gives some point in the sea right under Ghana, not useful IMO.

Using:

35 degrees 51 minutes North
16 Degrees West

Again just gives a random spot in the ocean. I don't think there is any pretense to combine the numbers.

[pipe No.5688177]

>>5688171
Not quite correct.

Assuming these letters use the same cipher but backwards (letters to code, not code to letters), we get this:

UY,YW 8
ZU 9

U = 15
W = 17
Y = 19
Z = 20

flip it around and run through the decoder, adding commas in the same way as the author:

N 17,19 19,15
O 15,20

[pipe No.5688189]

>>5688177
Actuall, I also made a mistake. The numbers should probably be flipped?

N 71,91;91,51
O 51,02

Does this make any sense at all?

[Anonymous No.5688203]

>>5688177
>>5688189
Anyone on /sci/ have knowledge of Sextants and their use? Could these numbers be used in a sextant?

[Anonymous No.5688217]

this is absolutely fascinating. continue on gents, great job cracking the cipher.

[Anonymous No.5688220]

>>5687379

Oest is East in german, though this is french it might be this guy writing using german navigational directions.

[Anonymous No.5688222]

>>5688220
Given what we know so far, I don't think there's any reason to believe that only that small portion would be in German.

[Anonymous No.5688224]

>>5688222

Indeed, it's unlikely. I merely pointed it out since directions are routinely given in North & East coordinates.

[Anonymous No.5688226]

>>5688224

actually i stand corrected, they are given in North & West.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_coordinate_conversion

It is pretty clear now that O stands for Ouest (french for west)

[Anonymous No.5688227]

>>5688177
>>5688189
The most perplexing part is the 2 sets of numbers given for North and only 1 set given for West.

Could it be to triangulate a location? That might explain the use of a triangle on the "map" sketches.

[Anonymous No.5688238]

>>5688189

Given that N = North & O = West,

we have according to maritime convention:

N 71 degrees 91 minutes 91.51 seconds
W 51 degrees 02 minutes

[Anonymous No.5688257]

>>5688238
But that would have to translate to:

N 72 degree 32 minutes 31.51 seconds
W 51 degrees 02 minutes

Which is a spot in the ocean above the arctic circle.

[Anonymous No.5688259]

>>5688238

Turns out it cant be that because you can only go to 59 minutes & 59 seconds. Thus i believe it's what was said earlier, i.e.

N 17,19 19,15
O 15,20

[pipe No.5688263]

>>5688238
Isn't 91.51 seconds too damn precise to be used here? Also, the coincidence 91 minutes and 91 seconds sounds just wrong, not to mention that there isn't 91 minutes or 91 seconds in a degree..

There must be something else going on here.

[tn No.5688271]

>>5688238
But 91 minutes makes no sense, does it? I think minutes and seconds stopped at 60 for navigation coordinates just as they do for time.

[Anonymous No.5688272]

>>5688263

indeed, i believe there is something else going on here

[Anonymous No.5688273]

It seems obvious though that N & O stand for north & west

[Anonymous No.5688275]

>>5688263
It might have been used to throw off people who didn't know how to convert those numbers into degrees.

Like I mentioned before, could these be angles for a sextant or something?

[tn No.5688285]

>>5688275
It might also be significant that they are hexadecimal digits. I'm not convinced myself though, because it is unlucky that coordinates, when written in hexa, would have only digits between A and F and no digit between 0 and 9, but for some reason no letter after F appears here.

It's most likely a coincidence, but who knows...

[Anonymous No.5688301]

>>5688285
Well maybe the original decryption was sufficient:

N CE,EA
O AF

[Anonymous No.5688321]

Wow, I find this fastinating, we should archive this thread.
chanarchive dot org request_votes

[Anonymous No.5688331]

>>5688321
>tfw math solved a 200 year old cypher
>tfw OP is about to become rich as fuck once he finds the treasure

OP, promise you'll only use the money to fuck bitches.

[Anonymous No.5688340]

>>5684052
Non autist here
I think it's a test paper for calligraphy.
/thread

[Anonymous No.5688341]

>>5687947
Here's a map of the region:
https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=47.850837,-4.18106&spn=0.006386,0.016512&t=h&z=17
http://binged.it/107oyKN

[Anonymous No.5688347]

>>5688171
>>5688257
>>5688259
could anybody post screencaps from google maps of these positions?

[Anonymous No.5688356]

>>5688347

http://binged.it/117DPbr

[Anonymous No.5688352]

Guys, remember that in Long/Lat that positive longitude goes East, and that our guy has written West, so longitude values may need to be multiplied by -1.

[Anonymous No.5688354]

>>5688341
>http://binged.it/107oyKN
Ile Aux Rats is not there

>>5688347
Just type them into google earth. It's just spots in the ocean.

[Anonymous No.5688359]

>>5688354
Not on the road map, but if you zoom in you'll see it. It's just not labeled.

[Anonymous No.5688363]

What do the dots on/under the arrow mean? no significance?
also if there is in fact an 'L' on the triangle as someone else suggested before, it might be to indicate which way 'the map' should be read.

[Anonymous No.5688365]

>>5687947
>>5688341
BTW, I think O is not an island but stands for "ouest" - French for West.

[Anonymous No.5688376]

>>5688363
>What do the dots on/under the arrow mean? no significance?
It's how many letters should be skipped, after the numbers have been flipped.

Eg: 31 -> 13 -> M (13th letter) -> S (19th letter)

seen here >>5687099

[Anonymous No.5688381]

>>5688365
IMO the lines and triangle indicate boundaries of land/sea

[Anonymous No.5688453]

anyone getting anywhere?

[Talimar No.5688524]

Hi Sea Clock in lieu of a Sextant....

I however don't know how to read either. ^_^

[Anonymous No.5688542]

>>5688177
Had a go trying to convert the numbers from geographic into normal lat long and got a position near coast in Mauritania.

Not sure if this is right.

Anyway, off the west coast of Africa is Cape Verde, Perhaps this is the cape the cipher is referring to?

If we flip and rotate the drawing into position we get a match for a bay on Cape Verde. It is a good match.
2gud2btru?

[Anonymous No.5688543]

>>5688453

Maybe if somebody figures out where exactly they're supposed to used these directions.

[pipe No.5688552]

>>5688542
Actually it's a seriously lousy match if you compare to the images on google maps.. :/

PS: The captcha for this was "archple", like archipelago, maybe recaptcha is telling us something! :)

[Anonymous No.5688555]

>>5688552
You know, I could believe that google's web crawler has absorbed so much information that it has emerged sentience, cracked the code and is speaking through captcha.

[Anonymous No.5688557]

>>5688542
Bad match

>The North Coast
>The East Cost

Plus has no relation to second map

[Anonymous No.5688823]

>>5688543
>>5688524
>>5688352

It seems that there's several ways to interpret these coordinates.

Does anyone know the conventional method of writing down coordinates at the time this paper was written? I think we need to figure out where we input the values before getting anywhere.

Of course, shooting in the dark might also yield results, but given that the directions are still somewhat open to interpretation it might be easy to follow a false lead.

[Anonymous No.5688897]

Anyone getting results?

[Anonymous No.5688912]

>>5688823
>Does anyone know the conventional method of writing down coordinates at the time this paper was written?

ask /int/

[Anonymous No.5688916]

from the look of the paper and the ink that is written on it it cannot be that old. The ink is fluid and probably comes from a fountain pen. It cannot be considered over 100 years or so old ink back then had iron in it and the ink would turn a brown colour as it aged when the iron oxidised.

the paper looks like modern paper too, too few flaws whihch means it was produced at a time when the manufacturing process was highly tuned from industry.

My guess is the writing is probably from the 1910-1930 period.

[Anonymous No.5688918]

>>5684120

>Six appears twice right after twelve

Twelve/Six is 1.5! That approximates the Golden Ratio!!!

[Anonymous No.5689042]

bump

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5689043]

Oh My God.

This is fucking surreal. Like some bad Indiana Jones movie or something.

I never thought anything would come out of this. I can't believe this...
GJ anon. A very GJ.

But really, what do you think should I do with this thing? What do people usually do with these things?

Where do you go if you want a professional analysis?
Or is it better if I keep it to myself?

...

Oh my fucking god I haven't been this excited in years!

Last night I stayed up with a friend all night trying out different ways to approach this. Nothing came out of it and it seems like anon beat me to it anyway (alhough it seems like I helped him quite a bit).

fihiodsinpdffffcmdnljbnompppdvdsvnodsl

I've contacted the auction firm. I was surprised to find out that they actually keep records of what they sell, and now I've got these lists of all mirrors sold in the summers of 2010 and 2009, with the sellers' names included.

So now I've some serious name-checking and phone-calling to do.

[Anonymous No.5689044]

>>5689043
Good luck with that. Post results.

[Anonymous No.5689049]

>>5689043
Honestly, professionals are going to be doing the same thing we are, but charging you to do it. I'd keep it to myself until you've got it mostly figured out.

Depending on who you can trace the map to, it may have historical significance. Definitely contact someone from the government. You probably won't get paid, but if there is buried treasure, it will require government approval for you or for anyone to actually search for it.

[Anonymous No.5689057]

>>5688916
Fist off, the paper is heavily yellowed. This could hide imperfections in the paper, and OP's picture id admittedly pretty shitty. Assuming he used some modern cellphone or point and shoot, I can easily see the white balance over compensating for the yellow and masking the subtle brown color or the ink. Besides, if you look closely you can see come imperfections in the paper.

[pipe No.5689131]

>>5689043
Karta, if I had been in your situation I would have checked at my local university if they have some people interested in that. Depending on what they teach, they could tell more precisely with a simple guess from when the paper and penmanship is.

Showing the stuff we have decoded to someone versed in navigation could also be interesting. Here at Chalmers where I live, they have a long history of teaching shipbuilding, but I'm not sure that you have that much stuff up in Umeå or whatever the nearest university would be for you. :)

[Anonymous No.5689172]

The handwriting is interesting. It is not coherent with any handwriting from the early 20th century and the way the arrow was written suggests a writer skilled in writing with broad feathers, also unusual for the 20th century.

On the other hand someone who wrote in 1932 would not necessarily have a 20th century handwriting. The picture in this post is a very typical European form of handwriting from the mid 19th century.

The rate of lignin reactions in this paper as well as the perfect surface point to an age older than 1940 and younger than ca.1750.

So from this it is possible that 1932 was the date of origin.

[Anonymous No.5689201]

>>5684510

usedtheniwlintotrareshtwhatewastchattheniw

not sure if right way, but htat is what my cryptogram solver shows me

[Anonymous No.5689205]

>>5689201
Maybe read the whole thread before replying next time, It's already been solved.

[Anonymous No.5689211]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baines_%26_Co..

[Anonymous No.5689213]

>>5687027

o,f t,h,e,n c,h,d,m
o,n e,d,h,i,s,i,n,g,n t,f,r
a,n,d,s o;h,n,s,e
o,f t,h,e,n n,s,e

[Anonymous No.5689256]

>>5688259
>N 17,19 19,15
>O 15,20

maybe it is like old pirate maps from books
17+19+19+15 steps north
15+20 steps west

it doesnt make sense why for N there are two 2 digit numbers and for W there is on 2 digit number

anyways we need somebody who knows how sextant was used

[Anonymous No.5689287]

>>5689211
Why would an english business man hide a frech message behind a mirror? I don't think J.B. wi have any significance until we determine the meaning of the coordinates and the message.

OP, I strongly suggest either taking this to a large university or emailing a french or english university. They will be very interested in it and wont charge for their time.

[Anonymous No.5689305]

>>5689256
If you're right, it kinda makes sense that there are 4 for one and 2 for the other if it's further north than west, and the guy had to use more symbols, and didn't really care about not having the same number of symbols.

[Anonymous No.5689311]

>N CE,EA
>O AF

after we find those we know : north coast, third cape from east to west, east coast
then all we have to do is find person living there to go and check what mr JB hid on location of the triangle

why author used 8 and 9 instead of letters? maybe to indicate that numbers should be converted to letters and letters to numbers
uy,yw 8
zu 9

coord that makes most sense to me is this
N 35,51
W 15
that puts us relatively near sailors routes but still 400 km from madeira

note that author made mistake at z so maybe he wasnt sure or something

[Anonymous No.5689336]

>>5688557

I was thinking that the 'cap' 'ver' thing might allude to Cape Verde, but it is a stretch. Pic was my attempt to relate it to the 2nd map, but I agree it is a bad match over all.

Is there anyone who knows how to convert NW coordinates into NE? Surely that is what is needed here no?

[Anonymous No.5689340]

>>5689256
As far as I know, to use a sextant you would need a date and a time. If that exists in the code somewhere you may be onto something.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5689341]

Okay
So I actually found the previous owner of the mirror.
During the early 90's she got it from her cousin who lived in Glasgow at the time.

She said she'd contact her cousin, ask her about the mirror and then she'd call me back.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5689347]

>>5689311
*W 16

[Anonymous No.5689375]

>>5689341
Wow, shit's getting real, as in, not-internet real. Cool. Keep us posted!

[Anonymous No.5689419]

>>5689341
Can you describe the ink color more? Is it lightly brown or pure black/grey. This is useful in dating the script. Is the paper yellow in color or has it aged to yellow? Are there many imperfections in the paper like spots of dark not made by a pen?

[Anonymous No.5689463]

OP do you by any chance know what country the mirror came from and where do you live?

[Anonymous No.5689470]

>>5689463
All of this is written in the thread. Please read it if you are interested in the subject.

[Anonymous No.5689491]

The country of origin is the uk, perhaps look for a place that fits the little diagram along with the description somewhere there...

The original owner got it from Glasgow so maybe it's more scotland? Assuming it is most likely a map from an area where JB resides

[Anonymous No.5689509]

>>5689491
Well, we actually don't know if it comes from Glasgow. It was most likely in Glasgow in the early 90ies, that's all we know at the moment, and since we can be pretty sure that this note is much older, I don't think we should draw any conclusions until OP has contacted the person in Glasgow.

Considering it is written in French, it's likely that it has moved around a bit before that.

[pipe No.5689512]

>>5689341
Hey OP, check when the next episode of Antikrundan is going to be recorded, ask them about the mirror. But don't show them the map. :)

[Anonymous No.5689536]

>>5687947
I still think this is the best and most likely match we've seen. (I'm one of the posters from yesterday, but not the one who posted this.)

Notice that Île Queffen has a north coast that has three capes. The message could be describing sailing directions for going into that bay, finding Île Queffen and then sailing to the third cape. "The east coast" could refer to the small bay before the third cape, but that bay doesn't really have an east coast. The small bay that is just beyond the third cape, though, does have a small part that is like an "east coast".

[Anonymous No.5689567]

>>5689536
If this is true, then the only thing missing is how to get to the exact spot (assuming it's buried treasure.... big assumption!!!) given the general direction. Maybe the u,y etc. stuff has something to do with that.

[Anonymous No.5689625]

What do maps from this time most often refer to?
Is it treasures like in the movies or what do they want to describe writing all this shit and hiding it?

[Anonymous No.5689673]

>>5689625
Someone claimed it could be written as late as the 1930ies. If not, maybe it's still from the early 20th century. This could indicate someone wanting to hide something from eventual war pillagers. This is not necessary very valuable, could be some inherited jewelry, sentimental letters, proof that the owner was Jewish or something.

[Anonymous No.5689684]

>>5689625
It's a very perplexing message to say the least.

Considering it was hidden in a mirror, with enough clues to decode the message that we cracked it in a day seems to indicate that either the author wasn't well versed in encryption, or he didn't intend for the actual decoding to be particularly hard. Maybe it was hastily written and hidden in a mirror that was to be shipped. Why not send an encoded letter? Why include ample clues to decode the message?

Similarly, the presumed author, J.B., didn't encode his initials. And if they are the initials of the author, which is likely but probably unprovable, why would you put your name on an encoded message? Unless it was meant for somebody the author knew.

In my opinion, the real way to hide the message was hiding it behind the mirror. Nobody would think to check there for something, but if the author told his intended receiver to check, they would be able to decode the message fairly easily even if they weren't terribly smart.

I think
>>5689673
Is probably right, this note is most likely a civilian hiding a note of hidden property. Although I don't necessarily think it is as young as the 1930s. France has had it's fair share of wars over the years. It could even be property hidden to elude tax collectors.

[Anonymous No.5689700]

>>5689684

Perhaps J.B. is not the authors initials, but merely another clue to deciphering all this.

[Anonymous No.5689707]

>>5689684
Although, now that I think about it, look back at the text solution we got. The author put so much work into encoding the message, even "starting over" on the other side. But the author MISSPELLED "west".

Oh shit guys, "L'Oest" is "West" in Catalan, and the whole message translates perfectly without fixing that word in Google translate!

[Anonymous No.5689712]

>>5689707
Well it's easy to forget a letter when you encrypt something. I'd say it's just a small irrelevant mistake.

[Anonymous No.5689818]

>>5689341
Wherever the mirror is originally from, I'm pretty sure the location is not far away from there.
No one would go too far away to bury/hide something, especially if this message is old.
Plus the description of the location is vague, this means it should have been crystal clear to the recipient, so the place can't be far away from the location of the mirror.

If the mirror is indeed from Glasgow, the location should be nearby. Is the origin actually Glasgow? This is for OP to find out. Anyway Glasgow is close to the west coast, and there are also lots of small lakes in the area. French was taught as a second language in England for a long time. Maybe the author was English, but used french to hide the message (could justify the "oest" error)

From my understanding the message means the place we're looking for is on a west coast (of a lake? of a country? of an island?), and it's the third cape (as in "north cape") on that coast, counting from the north.
And it has to be near glasgow or wherever the message originated from.

We also need some help from a cartography expert, and possibly a better pic of the map drawing. I'm assuming the triangle is the point of interest (with the point below representing the precise point). Could the drawing on the right be a magnified version, or is it all to be considered one map? What is that thing inside the triangle on the right?

[Anonymous No.5689836]

When writing coordinates it seems that you should put the letter representing the compass direction last.

So why did J.B. choose to put it first?

[Anonymous No.5689841]

>>5689818
The only notable cape i know of in Scotland is cape wrath.. which is very very far away from Glasgow. Not saying that holds any significance but seeing as Glasgow is fairly inland I can't imagine any capes being nearby.

OP said he was told that the Mirror was from England so perhaps Scotland isn't the answer

Fuck, I'm so invested in this.. Can't wait to see what happens

[Anonymous No.5689852]

>>5689836
In my opinion, we may have read them wrong. Instead of:

N - CE,EA
O - AF

Perhaps it is

AE,EC - N
FA - O

Which would give

15,53 North (Presumably 15 degrees 53 minutes)
61 West (Presumably 61 degrees)

(And I do not see why we would expect that the coordinates are encoded differently from the message or the designations N,O)

Here is the location on Google earth, near Guadeloupe. I'm speculating about the arrangement of the text. Possibly:

"Keep the north coast above you"
"Sail to the third cape which is towards the west"
"The east coast will be below you"??? Perhaps indicating the correct orientation of the pictures??

[Anonymous No.5689867]

alright, i'm buying plane tickets for a treasure hunt in England. Who's coming?

I just hope the treasure is not "friendship"...

[Anonymous No.5689875]

JB might instead be something to do with the location, rather than initials of the author.

[Anonymous No.5689904]

>>5689852
Although, this is interesting....

[tn No.5689902]

>>5689852
It rocks what you find is near Guadeloupe. It matches my wild guess from >>5688161

Coincidence or evidence?

[Anonymous No.5689953]

>>5689904
wow, this is too good to be a coincidence

[Anonymous No.5689958]

Les Saints?

[Anonymous No.5689959]

>>5689904
If this were the case, the North coast of Guadeloupe would be "Above" you, the East coast of Dominica would be "Below" you.

However, it would mean that you needed to invert the N and W coordinates but not the map sketches, which I can't explain.

And I can't explain why the N and W coordinates do not indicate this island. Perhaps the author only had a very general map and just guessed?

The island also contains a "Fort Joséphine" named after Joséphine de Beauharnais

[Anonymous No.5689962]

Les Saintes?

This is so interesting!

[Anonymous No.5689964]

Here is Fort Napoleon ("Fort Josephine")

And look at that, pretty fucking close to 15 degree 53 minutes North and 61 degrees west. Anyone with a shitty map could pick that out.

[Anonymous No.5689989]

>>5689959
>>5689964

This can't be mere coincidence. Good work.

[Anonymous No.5689990]

>>5689964
Although this is still just speculation. And I have no idea why someone would hide an encrypted riddle, lat/long coordinates, and two shitty drawings to refer to this location.

[Anonymous No.5690009]

Guys, have none of you paid any attention to the "J.B" letters? I mean it could mean alot of things but this is what I found on wiki

Other people

Jim Bonacci (born 1979), American video game designer
Joe Biden Vice President of the United States.

Computing and engineering

British Rail Class 73 locomotives (except Class 73/0), pre TOPS classification "JB"
Japanese and overseas long-span bridge projects (Honshū-Shikoku Bridge Project)
Junction box, an item often used in the electrical industry
Jungfraubahn, a rack railway
Just BASIC, a programming language
iOS jailbreaking, the process of overriding iOS operating system limitations
Jelly Bean, a 4.1 version of Android operating system

Literature

J.B. (play), a 1958 play by Archibald MacLeish in verse, based on the Book of Job
Jerusalem Bible, a 1966 Roman Catholic Bible translation

Other

Johor Bahru, the capital of Johor in southern Malaysia
Jornal do Brasil, a Brazilian newspaper
Jim Beam, a best-selling brand of bourbon whiskey
J & B, a common name for Justerini & Brooks Whisky
JB Hi-Fi, an Australian hi-fi and entertainment store
The IATA code for Helijet
An unofficial acronym for JetBlue Airways
Junior branch, members of CISV between 11 and 25


Also, what about the numbers 8 and 9 after uy, yw and zu. You said Y appeared 8 times, will it says "uy, yw 8" that's got to mean something?

[Anonymous No.5690016]

>>5689959
>However, it would mean that you needed to invert the N and W coordinates but not the map sketches, which I can't explain.

it makes sense to me, that's how i'd do it anyway. I wouldn't draw a mirrored map. The map seems drawn from memory and it's hard to mirror a map in your brain. Much easier to mirror the text as he didn't even mirror the letters or numbers in fact, just wrote it from last to first. (and still got it wrong the first time)

If this is correct it may either be a huge hoax, or an actual treasure map. In that areas several multi-million worth treasures have been found. even one supposedly worth trillions.
There's also a good possibility the treasured pointed by this map has already been discovered.

[Anonymous No.5690025]

>>5689964
Fort Napoleon

A military fort pre 1809
a pile of rubble from 1809 to 1844
being rebuilt in to a fort 1844 to 1867
a prison for some time in this period
because a museum/tourist attraction in recent years

[Anonymous No.5690030]

>>5690009
Well from this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pirates
the only J.B. i see is this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Bart

Doubt it's him, but it's a possible match...

[Anonymous No.5690034]

>>5689964
Fort Napoleon

A military fort pre 1809, "Fort Louis"
a pile of rubble from 1809 to 1844
being rebuilt in to a fort 1844 to 1867, renamed "Fort Napoleon"
a prison for some time in this period
because a museum/tourist attraction in recent years

[Anonymous No.5690035]

>>5690030
see
>>5689959

J.B. might refer to Joséphine de Beauharnais for which "Fort Napoleon" was renamed "Fort Joséphine". (Though I guess they changed it back?)

[Anonymous No.5690039]

>>5690034
>>5689964
I think Fort Napoleon and Fort Josephine are two different places, although I can't figure out where Fort Josephine is located.

[Anonymous No.5690051]

>>5690009
We can assume that J.B. are the initials of whoever made the map and code. He was probably a nobody low-tier lord with a lot of time on his hand and investment in Guadeloupe. A lot of ciphers like this used to exist for the purpose of fancy-dan treasure hunts and the like. Our scavenger hunt today actually came from shit like this. J.B. might of gave someone a cipher at some point that led to the mirror, and no one could figure it out because he's an asshole and 4chan didn't exist in the 19th century and everyone forgot about it.

[Anonymous No.5690053]

>>5690035
>Joséphine de Beauharnais
>>5690039

I found Fort Josephine, it's on the island to the NW of Fort Napoleon, but it's a ruin so it isn't noted in google maps. The island is "Îlet à Cabrit"

from wikipedia
>The ruins of the lazaretto and "Joséphine Fort" on îlet à Cabrit

from "Les Saintes" article

pic related

[Anonymous No.5690061]

>>5690053
also, I did some googling and found a picture taken from Fort Josephine to Fort Napoleon, across the bay (about 1.5 km).

[Anonymous No.5690069]

>>5690053
Yeah I just realized that after trying to dig up more history about the island.

I like my interpretation
>>5689964
Because Fort Napoleon is on a hill, and perhaps the triangle indicates the peak? I think the author may have decided to stick with triangles instead of circles as the triangles aren't like any natural geographic formation.

And considering that Fort Napoleon was used as a prison, perhaps the author was some J.B. imprisoned who got a note out to friends/family?

A bit of a stretch.

[Anonymous No.5690080]

>>5690069
Fort Josephine is on top of Morne Josephine hill.

[Anonymous No.5690095]

>>5690080
And it was supposedly also used as a prison/leprosy camp.

I suppose it is more fitting if we allow J.B. to stand for Joséphine de Beauharnais for which the fort was named. The lat/long coords are still pretty close, though the left map doesn't really fit as well IMO

[Anonymous No.5690111]

I think this is as far as /sci/ will be able to figure out without OP.

What could have been the motivation for this cipher. It wasn't very convoluted, so it wouldn't be very good defense would it? Or maybe it was from a time when so many people were illiterate that most wouldn't be able to figure it out?

Either way, it's probably not something of dire importance. Perhaps it's just instructions from this JB fellow to a friend or a military compatriot to meet at Fort Napoleon.

But I'm still very interested in seeing if OP can track down the origins of this.

[Anonymous No.5690133]

>>5687187
>THE EAST COAST TO THE THIRD CAP OEST THE NORTH COAST
>>5687190
>THE NORTH COAST
>THE THIRD CAPE
>TOWARD THE WEST ("oest" is presumably a misspelling for "ouest")
>THE EAST COAST


My 2 cents. The decoded text that appears to be directions refers to this location on Îlet à Cabrit. Fort Josephine is just to help you identify the island, as it is the only man-made structure on the island.

[tn No.5690138]

>>5689904
Wohoooo, I had guessed Guadeloupe in >>5688161 based only on the triangle and the French language. What do I win? :>

Damn guys, we're getting close. I'm so excited right now. Best thread on /sci/ for a long while.

[Anonymous No.5690143]

>>5690133

> Fort Josephine is just to help you identify the island, as it is the only man-made structure on the island.

This makes sense, the location may be given by the coordinates, triangle and whatnot, Fort Josephine being just an initial reference.

[Anonymous No.5690151]

>>5690138
Everyone doesnt seem to agree with that
chanarchive dot org/4chan/sci
better start giving it some good ratings or it wont be archived

[Anonymous No.5690154]

>>5690151

https://archive.installgentoo.net/sci/thread/5684052

[Anonymous No.5690155]

>>5690151
http://archive.installgentoo.net/sci/thread/S5684052

[TAUMAN MOTHERFUCKER !!MMesqba6gpA No.5690158]

>>5690151
>>5690154
>>5690155
Good ... good ...

[Anonymous No.5690166]

>>5690133
Me again, wait a second, the original cypher never mentions Fort Josephine, only the initials J.B. which "might" refer to Josephine de Beauharnais, Napoleon's Wife.

So, the reader is meant to be directed to Fort Napoleon by the drawn map / coordinates and then to Îlet à Cabrit by the initials J.B. referring to Napoleon's wife and THEN follow the directions that refer to a specific cape on J.B.'s island.

Anyone have a better idea?

[Anonymous No.5690170]

>>5690166
but why draw the zoomed in map on the left that refers to Fort Napoleon when you could just as easily have drawn a map of Îlet à Cabrit and the three capes?

Because it's a cypher.

Yeah I don't really have much confidence in my theory, /shrug

[Anonymous No.5690172]

Well, what do you think ?

Third cape to the west, tha map matches.

[Anonymous No.5690176]

>>5690172

[Anonymous No.5690179]

>>5690172
>Third cape to the west

Mind explaining? Also, scroll up, we've been on to that location for a while now, but I don't see how it matches the cape description.

[Anonymous No.5690183]

>>5690172
>>5690176
are the same as
>>5689964

In which can is can be implied the triangle and arrow refer to the hill and Fort Napoleon.

>>5690133
Possible, though we already used the text to locate the location as Les Saintes. Unless you think it is used twice.

>>5690143
Coordinates already gave us the general location near Guadeloupe

[Anonymous No.5690187]

>>5690183
>locate the island of Les Saintes*

>>5690179
It's right there bro. I see three capes with the most westward cape being the THIRD cape. A cape can be seen as anything jutting out of the water.

Besides, this cape most closely matches the drawing:
>>5690172
>>5689964

[Anonymous No.5690189]

>>5690183

I believe the arrow has been used to decipher the text, the latter not yet having been used.

[Anonymous No.5690190]

>>5690183
The arrow gives the number of skipped in the caeser cipher shift.

[Anonymous No.5690192]

>>5690189
Arrow decodes the text.

Lat/long coords, right hand drawing, and decoded text seem to indicate Les Saintes.

All thats left is 1 drawing and "J.B."

[Anonymous No.5690197]

>>5690183

Just to be clear, the elements we have are

A set of numbers that we think are lat/long coordinates
Some directions in french that refer to a specific "cape"
The drawn map which we think is a zoomed out and zoomed in version
The initials J.B.

Is that everything?

[Anonymous No.5690204]

>>5690192
Could Les Saintes be found with only the right hand drawing and the lattitude / longitude coords?

[Anonymous No.5690210]

>>5690172

The triangle on the map as someone said earlier might be indicating a hill, so the "treasure" must be located on the highest point of the circled area.

[Anonymous No.5690211]

>>5690204
Yeah, see:

>>5689852
>>5689904


IMO the triangle in the right hand drawing CONTAINS Les Saintes.

[Anonymous No.5690214]

we may want to coss post to /x/. They're good at pattern recognition.

Anyway, apart from finding the exact location, what can this message possibly be??

We have a ciphered message hidden inside a mirror.
It's pretty clear the message indicates a location.
But the indications seems to be generic, not detailed enough to find something hidden.

Why would someone write a ciphered message of a generic location and hide it inside a mirror?

[Anonymous No.5690216]

>>5690210

Or perhaps buried down, as everything is "mirrored".

[Anonymous No.5690219]

>>5690214
>we may want to cross post to /x/

You're a funny guy

[Anonymous No.5690222]

>>5690214

The mirror may have been to both hide the message and to give a hint on how to solve it (mirror the numbers).

Perhaps there's something more hidden in it? Look for encrusted writings on the mirror or even "invisible" paint (written with lime)

[Anonymous No.5690224]

>>5690214
I speculated some here:

>>5689684

[Anonymous No.5690247]

>>5690219
i wasn't the only one suggesting it. I don't browse /x/ but i know what kind of people hang there. Most people who believe in paranormal stuff or conspiracies have higher than normal dopamine levels which increases their pattern recognition abilities (which often means they get many false positives, like seeing ghosts and what not). The intellectual work has been done, now we need someone to do the legwork and find the best match for that map, and people from /x/ may be the right people for this task.
Just a suggestion, i won't post there cause i don't like the place...

[Anonymous No.5690272]

The arrow thing looks like an inequality with a number line

[Anonymous No.5690280]

>>5690247

/x/ is too busy trying to have sex with their tulpas and talking about that time they got scared walking home to be of any use. /pol/ is just as if not more paranoid and might be up for a treasure hunt, if you really think it'll help.

At any rate the best solution would be for OP to contact the original seller if possible and trace the history of the mirror. We aren't even sure if it's from England or France or what. Can we figure out what kind of wood it's made of? The mirror itself isn't incredibly important (probably?) but it might specify a region. Or it might be a tree the can be found from Ireland to Turkey.

[Anonymous No.5690283]

>>5690280
Honestly the paper can't be older than the mid 1800s, and even then European culture was pretty well mixed. There's no pretext to narrow it down to France because the note is in French, similarly it's unlikely that the mirror was made in the same area where the note was placed inside.

[Encrypted Message in a Mirror No.5690297]

>>5690283
>There's no pretext to narrow it down to France

I don't understand. You're saying that just because the note is in french doesn't mean the mirror came from France?

I think that makes it very likely that the mirror came from France. Besides, the important thing is where the note was written, and if it was written in French it was likely written in France.

[Anonymous No.5690301]

>>5690297
Like I said, you don't have to live in France to speak french. Considering the author took the time to encode the message, it's not out of the question he also translated it. This could explain the spelling error.

Although our guesses indicate that the clues lead to a French island, so who really knows.

At this point, OP tracking down the history of the mirror will be the fastest way of determining if we're on the right track.

[Anonymous No.5690322]

As far as I'm concerned, the coordinates combined with the map on the right unambiguously point to Les Saintes islands - a set of islands thousands of miles away from France where people just so happen to speak French.

It's not just a coincidence that the directions are written in French, the coords point to a French colony and the drawn map matches the arrangement of the islands at the coordinates exactly.

This much of the puzzle is solved.

[Anonymous No.5690348]

>>5690322
Personally I feel that the map refers to Fort Napoleon. This for was used as a prison for years, and so the map may have been made by a prisoner in haste, hidden in a mirror that was to be shipped back to France, and meant to be intercepted by someone. This would explain the odd hiding space and perhaps the error in the latitude and longitude coordinates. Similarly, it was written on a scrap of paper since paper wasn't readily available to prisoners.

I have serious doubts that it has anything to do with treasure.

[Talimar No.5690384]

The writing itself reminds me quite a bit of my Grandfather's handwriting; and would likely point to Catholic French Schooling. I had recalled where I saw similar script; but simply couldn't place it until now. Jean-Baptiste ?

(to be precise, it would be Canadian East Coast Catholicism.)

I was looking ages ago on older junk / money bonds etc. for CE and AF; but couldn't place them. I do recall seeing CE used before for a specific abreviation...

[Anonymous No.5690459]

A letter written by Jean-Baptiste written to Thomas Jefferson has been posted and the handwriting does not match.

[Anonymous No.5690465]

A letter written by Jean-Baptiste to Thomas Jefferson has been posted and the handwriting does not match.

[tn No.5690490]

>>5690151
Damn, this made me sad... It's an entertaining thread involving problem solving, Caesar cyphers, and /sci/ works collaboratively to help OP. While it's not very deep scientifically or mathematically, the fact that it involves collaborative work makes it really good in my opinion.

Crowdsourcing is awesome and threads that involves a tangible amount of crowdsourcing are usually my favorite.

It appears that, it's just, like, my opinion man :/

[Anonymous No.5690523]

>>5690490
Did you look at the replies to that post?

[pipe No.5690613]

I composed four maps of the area from the years 1775 to 1856.

As you can see, maps from the time weren't very accurate, I assume most coastlines were just "qualified random guessing".

The features we now can see from google earth and similar, was just not available back then, which explains the crude match of the drawings in the cipher.

[Anonymous No.5690639]

>>5690613
this is why i hate /sci/, you see direct evidence of a chainging island over 100 years, and assume that millions of people must have not known what they were doing instead of the most likely conclusion that the island did indeed change, some months ago Australia moved down almost overnight, and you people denied that too. /x/ has a theory that this is because 2 timelines merged and thats why some things seem to change.

[Anonymous No.5690656]

>>5690639

[Anonymous No.5690659]

>>5690639

[Anonymous No.5690777]

>>5690176

The circle doesn't seem to include the fort, but is very close to it nonetheless. It might be that the sketch is meant to be of the whole cape (or, in other words, a larger piece of the island), which would place the triangle and dot somewhat closer to the fort. Remember that the sketch is rough and like pointed out detailed maps may not have been available for the writer at the time, so the match does not need to be exact. It makes the most sense that the writer indicates the location of the fort, unless that smaller area shown in the post I quoted contains something of interest.

Like many have pointed out, we have gone through almost all of the message now and nothing seems quite specific enough to find something like treasure. This and the fort lead me to agree with other anons that the purpose of the message is to point out the location of the fort.

[Anonymous No.5690782]

This is wild speculation and not very useful on my part:

If the fort has been used as a prison at the time of the message, then the most obvious thing is that a prisoner wrote it and hid it anywhere he could. A message like this, even if caught by guards/etc. would not be so serious as they might simply consider it some memos and doodles like I initially did.

However, this leads to an interesting question: what sort of prisoner is knowledgeable enough to write a message like this, and how would this message aid in his rescue? Simply telling the location of the prison is not much of a call for help, we don't even know who it is that wrote this.

So the recipient of the message must have known the writer, that the writer is held in prison SOMEWHERE, but not exactly where, and been close enough to want to help. If he knew the writer of the message, the simple arrival of a message in cipher (not something many are capable of) would be enough to identify the author.

Another possibility is that the message was written by someone else, who wanted to communicate the location of the prisoner to another person. This would also cover the discrepancy of a prisoner being able to send a mirror to a specific person from a prison when he wasn't even allowed to tell them where he was. However, why would they bother with such secrecy? It's not like a simple message saying 'Fort Napoleon' would be very discriminatory, and could easily replace this whole thing.

[pipe No.5690790]

>>5690777
I don't think it's good to focus too much on the actual fort. There would be easier ways to describe the fort, and it's not like the fort is a secret to anyone.

I'm more inclined to agree with
>>5690172
and
>>5690176

The shape there matches pretty good, and it may be that the dot in the map actually matches something that's obvious if one walks around in the area.

[Anonymous No.5690796]

>>5690790

I suppose I'm inclined to agree, mostly because the point about this being an unnecessarily complicated way to point out a fort is very true.

But if what you said is true, the only thing we can really do from here is to get someone to go there, or track down the path of the mirror/message.

This is the best thread in /sci/ for a while.

[Anonymous No.5690806]

FWIW, the nails are clearly machine wrought. Round machine wrought nails, as they appear to be in >>5684405 were developed in 1880 at the earliest. If they are actually angular (I'm not a hundred percent sure from the photo which is the case) they can be from 1830 at the earliest.

I'm not familiar with a machining process from that era that would leave those kind of notches, but I'm investigating. Hope this helps a little, I'm ass at cryptography.
Hope

[Anonymous No.5690817]

>>5690790
But this theory is incomplete until it incorporates the directions to a specific cape.

IMO the correct translation of the french is pretty much still up in the air. The directions seem to be relative to a position, though, and it seems reasonable to conclude that that position is the one pinpointed on the map.

Possible translations so far:
THE EAST COAST TO THE THIRD CAP WEST THE NORTH COAST

or...
THE NORTH COAST
THE THIRD CAPE
TOWARD THE WEST
THE EAST COAST

or...
The east coast toward/to the west, the third cape, the north coast

Obviously, the ordering of the words and the syntax of the translation is really important to getting the right directions.

IMO we've got to prioritize figuring this out.

[pipe No.5690819]

>>5690806
Any help in dating the mirror would be great. But I assume nails could have been replaced over time?

[Anonymous No.5690842]

>>5690806
Actually, it turns out I've been biased by my English speaking background. The French apparently had wire-cut round nails as early as 1855, and usage spread quickly.

[Anonymous No.5690851]

>>5690819
They certainly could have, however, most people don't bother unless they fail or break, and then we'd have mismatched nails. Unless all were replaced, in which case the replacer likely would have found the message.

OP suggested that the wooden back piece was newer than the rest of the mirror and yet the nails had lost much grip; I cannot prove it, but I think it's very unlikely that the message is older than the attachment of the back piece.

[Anonymous No.5690925]

Around 1855 the international language was French, so a message between two different nationalities would probably be written in French.

Because the note was still in mirror, I think it's safe to say that the note never arrived at the correct person. So England doesn't actually help you, just like Sweden doesn't help you.

I think it's dangerous to already cross countries from the list, and that secret is in the nonsensical coordinates.

[Anonymous No.5691028]

French spelling has changed a lot through the years. I'm wondering if "oest" could be not a spelling mistake or a cyphering mistake, but maybe the actual spelling of "ouest" from some time ago.

If "oest" is indeed an old spelling, it can give a small clue about the date (though if it's really old, I'd go back to thinking it's just a spelling mistake).

Similarly, maybe we can figure out when "troisieme" got its final spelling (modulo the accent). It appears that "troisiesme" and "troizieme" were used in the past, even though it looks like it's at most XVIII-th century.

[Anonymous No.5691069]

>>5691028
I don't think so.
I've made these screen shots from a french dictionary scanned by google dating from 1838.
I actually have the older version dating from 1819 sitting on my desk and the word is written as "Ouest".
So it's either older , a mistake or a hidden meaning.

[Anonymous No.5691072]

>>5691028
I just checked, it is a spelling error, or just a shortcut. There is no such thing as "oest" in the ancien dictionaries.
"Troisième" is the final spelling since the end of the XVIII century.

[Anonymous No.5691115]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Elet_%C3%A0_Cabrit

The fort is not named after Joséphine de Beauharnais, so the J.B initials might indicate something else.

Pic related is a 1874 map of Les Saintes, if needed.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5691120]

Guadeloupe?!?! Les Saintes?!?! Fort Napoleon?!?
You actually found the place!!! Holy shit.

...

I weren't planning on going abroad anytime soon. But I guess it wouldn't hurt (more than my economy) to have a closer look at those islands. Perhaps this summer or something...

I don't know. Might find SOMETHING.


On another note, the previous owner called me back today. Her cousin's husband apparently got it from his aunt sometime during the late 70's - early 80's. Apart from that he didn't know much about the mirror either.

So I asked her to ask her cousin to ask her husband to ask his aunt about the mirror, but instead she gave me the telephone number to her cousin and her husband.

And no one seems to be at home atm.


Oh and also,

their surname starts with a B.

Coincidence?!?

[Anonymous No.5691156]

[Anonymous No.5691168]

>>5691120

It seems like a nice place.

Good job with tracking the mirror, keep at it.

[Anonymous No.5691192]

>>5684052
>mfw OP ends up finding a treasure of dragon dildos

[Anonymous No.5691233]

toasting in epic bread

[Anonymous No.5691239]

>>5684926
indeed

[Anonymous No.5691240]

>>5691120
Anon who did the coordinates here.

Something still feels wrong. The coordinates I found were encoded with the same cipher, but why weren't theh mirrored like the text above? Why did the author include minutes for the North coordinate, but not the West? And even then it was off. Maybe the original message was Intercepted by the author? I think Fort Napoleon was used as a prison in WWI and WWII, maybe a German intercepted the message and wrote down all he could hear? I don't think we're done yet.

[Anonymous No.5691244]

>>5691240
And maybe the initials are encoded too? Maybe they are actually "P.H."? Could that be a ship that was at 15 degrees 53 minutes North, 61 degrees West? Why would such a simple cipher be used during WWI or WWII? Could the maps and coordinates have been added before or after the text?

[Anonymous No.5691245]

>>5691240

I don't know bro but it's too much of a coincidence for the map sketch to match the same area as your coordinates.

[Anonymous No.5691261]

>>5691245
This is interesting:

http://www.cindyvallar.com/privateers.html

The French Navy has has ships named Jean Bart in the past.

[Anonymous No.5691292]

>>5691261
Fascinating.

[Anonymous No.5691300]

>>5691240
I could be wrong, but historically measuring longitude has been a lot harder than measuring latitude. Think of it as providing significant digits: you only include them if you know them to be correct. In other words the actual location is somewhere between 60.5 and 61.5 degrees W.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5691359]

I just got the phone number to the aunt.

She's living in the countryside near Liverpool.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5691364]

Oh, and she's also close to 90 years old. This might actually bring us way back in time if we're lucky.

[Anonymous No.5691384]

>>5691359
I live in Liverpool. If there turns out there's any places of interest or anything I will gladly go and take pictures or something. Pretty invested in this

[Anonymous No.5691385]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.5691425]

Why did you link this in #lisp?

[Anonymous No.5691428]

>>5691385
I just have to say, this image cracks me up

[Anonymous No.5691432]

>>5691425
Yeah. Cool thread an all, but not really lisp related.

[Anonymous No.5691444]

I don't want to break the mood but in France you cannot legally search for a treasure without the consent of the ministry of culture.
Plus, 50% of the discovered goods belong to the French state.

However if you found it unintentionally (read without detector or diging for another reason), you must not touch it, you must report it to the authorities (city hall), then they will judge if further researches have to be made on it.
Then 50% of the goods will belong to the owner of the terrain (I don't know what happens if the terrain doesn't belong to anyone).


Don't hope to tell anyone about it and just fly off with it.

[Anonymous No.5691447]

>>5691444
If you find it, fucking take that shit and tell no one. Fuck the law. You find it, then its yours. Plain and fucking simple.

[Anonymous No.5691450]

>>5691444
well fuck all of that. The state dont have to know

[Anonymous No.5691454]

>>5691364
Honestly I would be surprised if a 90 year old woman remembered a mirror she used to own.

>>5691444
Meh, at this point I seriously doubt there is treasure involved. The maps and clues are not specific enough to really pick out a region on land.

In my opinion, this note was either written by a prisoner held in Fort Napoleon or possibly an intercepted message encoded and hidden.

[Anonymous No.5691457]

>>5691444
Tell someone about it but try and get a history channel reality mini series out of the deal first. Make bank off the findings and the journey.

[Anonymous No.5691461]

>>5691447
>>5691450

How will you go through the security with a 2 centuries old treasure without any official document proving you can bring it with you ?

If this is a small or common thing, I think it won't cause any trouble, or if you came there all the way on your boat/private jet/whatever.

[Anonymous No.5691481]

>The fort is not named after Joséphine de Beauharnais

How do you figure that?

[Anonymous No.5691482]

>>5691115
>The fort is not named after Joséphine de Beauharnais

How do you figure that? That's not the first time that wikipedia article has been referenced in this thread.

[Anonymous No.5691484]

>>5690639
This is why I hate /x/. You see direct evidence and derive the most exciting conclusions, instead of the more likely ones.

oh fuck.... i've been trolled haven't i?

[Anonymous No.5691487]

guyz, is this thread archived somewhere?

[Anonymous No.5691508]

>>5691487
ctrl+f ----> archive

[Anonymous No.5691509]

>>5691482
Misread

>In 1851, a penitentiary was built on Petite Martinique island, which became renamed îlet à Cabrit; in 1856 a prison reserved for women replaced it. It was destroyed in 1865 by a hurricane. The fort, begun during Louis-Philippe's reign, was finished in 1867 in the reign of Napoleon III who baptised it Fort Napoléon in honour of his uncle, Napoleon I. Fort de la Reine was renamed Fort Joséphine at the same time. A lazaretto was opened in 1871 instead of the penitentiary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Eles_des_Saintes

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5691513]

>>5690782
But then, why's it in a mirror?

Just speculation, but wouldn't a ship's captain have been much more likely to hide a note in his personal mirror than some inmate on an island? It looks like a nice mirror, nicer than perhaps what prisoners or guards might have use.

But nonetheless, why is it in a mirror? Think about the last time you hid something. It was probably something valuable to you, in something you owned. You probably aren't going to hide your grandmother's war ration stamps in the back of your television. Why would a person have kept this note if it wasn't personal?

But furthermore, why is OP the one who found it, and not the intended recipient some 100+ years ago?

[Jarl Sagan !!3rYN5G3P3OE No.5691560]

Furthermore, why isn't this stickied yet?

Mods, I'm looking at you. Certainly this is a good example of collaborative analysis?

[Anonymous No.5691578]

>>5691115
>>5691482

My bad, The article doesn't tell it was named after Joséphine de Beauharnais, but it doesn't say it's not named after her either. Plus she was the spouse of Napoleon I, which fort Napoleon is named after.

So yeah, J.B can still be referencing the fort.

[Anonymous No.5691592]

>>5691560

This.
We need this thread stickied so forther research can be made and progress pics posted by OP or whoever can go on the field.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5691622]

OKAY.

So I think I just had the weirdest conversation of my entire life.

This old lady finally picked up the phone, and she started yelling and crying about bombs and houses and her dad and metal boxes and toxic parks?!? I couldn't really catch much of what she were saying, she had such a strong dialect.

And then she started making some weird noises and hung up on me.

???

I'm positive; she sounded very, very senile. I think I'll try again tomorrow. The poor woman has had enough for today, I'm sure.

I just hope I didn't kill her...

[Anonymous No.5691629]

>>5691622
She did all that immediately before you even get to say anything?

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5691635]

>>5691629
More or less.

[Anonymous No.5691638]

>>5691629
Sounds like how a typical conversation with a Brit goes.

[Anonymous No.5691639]

>>5691622
Record your conversation with her next time. Vocaroo bitch

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5691643]

>>5691639
I don't think that would be a pretty nice thing to do.

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5691644]

Is it just me or won't this thread bump anymore?

[Anonymous No.5691647]

>>5691644
Well /sci/ isn't that fast.This thread could still be up by tomorrow even without bumps.
You can then make a new thread if you have any updates.

[Anonymous No.5691658]

>>5691425
>>5691432

I fucking love lisp and I fucking love this thread, so I shared with you guys.

Sorry if you didn't enjoy.

[Anonymous No.5691678]

>>5689852
I've done an analysis of the coords, assuming the ones in this post are correct.

Hope this helps.

[Anonymous No.5691690]

>>5691678
I should also add that it makes sense that they would not be more specific with the Longitute coordinate (61 W). I happen to be in an oceanography class this semester and remember the textbook going in to detail about how difficult it has been, historically, to figure out exact Longitudes. Although devices were invented about 200 - 250 years ago that could do it, it took more than a century after that for them to be both portable and affordable, so even a hundred years ago it would be difficult for someone to know the longitudinal coordinates exactly.

Therefore, if you give a more precise latitude that only crosses the island in one small spot, that would be good enough.

[Anonymous No.5691700]

apparently napoleon was into codes.

http://www.napoleon-series.org/research/napoleon/c_Talisman.html

[Anonymous No.5691757]

>>5691385
what is that in this picture, is it a really big equasion or some pseudo intellectual faggotry just to look smart

[Anonymous No.5691761]

this is fucking amazing! good job everyone.

[pipe No.5691775]

>>5691384
Maybe you can help by trying to call that old lady or find out if she has a daughter or son? We're not that bad at English in Sweden, but thick accents spoken by old people over the phone are close to impossible..

>>5691622
OP, do you think it could work to have someone in England call?

[pipe No.5691876]

>>5691757

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

[karta !lZYbUQpbTk No.5691915]

New thread:
>>5691848
Don't post here.