/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.5623290]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21839684

>New nuclear power plant at Hinkley Point C is approved

>The first of a planned new generation of nuclear power plants in the UK has been given approval.

>Energy Secretary Ed Davey told MPs in the Commons that he was granting planning consent for French energy giant EDF to construct Hinkley Point C in Somerset.

>The proposed £14bn power plant would be capable of powering five million homes.

>Mr Davey said the project was "of crucial national importance" but environmental groups reacted angrily.

I'm really really excited. Not only because it's a step toward energy security but because of the potential to get nuclear engineering work experience in the future.

Who are these environmental groups? They need educated.

[Anonymous No.5623302]

>that feel when money better spent on fusion R&D

[Anonymous No.5623310]

>>5623302

But fusion is ten years away.

[Anonymous No.5623319]

>>5623310
No shit... It's scarcely being funded.

[Anonymous No.5623323]

>>5623319
Fusion is always ten years away
Always.

[Anonymous No.5623327]

>>5623323

[Anonymous No.5623325]

>>5623302
Fusion is always ten years away

[Anonymous No.5623328]

I thought it was always twenty years away. Hey, that's an improvement, right?

[Anonymous No.5623332]

>>5623328
scimind

[Anonymous No.5623333]

>>5623290
shut up pollutiting faggot

Nuclear power is the worse form of pollution and gives cancer to anyone that comes near it.

Chernobyl

CANCER city you will be killing millions if you do that, you will kill the animals and turn earth into a wasteland.

umad that im right

[Anonymous No.5623340]

>>5623333

[Anonymous No.5623339]

>>5623333

Troll detected

[Anonymous No.5623352]

>>5623339
>>5623340
Yea I was typing what all uneducated green energy activits would say. should have greentexted

[Anonymous No.5623421]

>>5623333

[Nuka-Cola; Alpha Apple No.5623444]

>>5623302
ha, amusing

also nice find OP. i also find it amusing that a french company is building it, they'll probably make it so damn well it'll last for 60 years or more.
them frenchies know how to nuke it

[Anonymous No.5623458]

>>5623290
>Trusting Govt and companies to not hash it up.
Meh, I'm cynical. Don't get me wrong, I know it's easy to say that, yup, Chernobyl and so on aren't that big a deal and we're so much more sensible nowadays... heh. Not to mention hidden costs like decommissioning, though supposedly the next generation will be easily decomissioned.

[Anonymous No.5623455]

it's called the UNSC

http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Security-Council-Resolutions-on-Iran

[Anonymous No.5623485]

>>5623458
People say that all the time and then they turn around to complain about huge industry fuckups across the board without ever realizing the irony of it.

[Anonymous No.5623488]

>>5623444

It's one of the few things the French actually do.

Merv from BBC comments

>Another foreign owned asset so profits will go abroad.
K.

>How much of the plant will be manufactured in this country - the bricks maybe?
Merv wants to fund developing manufacturing processes that others in the world have already mastered. Merv does not understand the implications of such an endeavor and fails to recognise how this will impact negatively on the cost efficiency of the plant and ultimately the cost to the consumer.

>How many construction workers will be from this country?
>Will the management and workers operating the plant be from this country?

I feel it is ultimately up to the companies responsible for completing the work to hire who they require to do the job to their quality standards.

>What arrangements are being made regarding the expense of decommisioning the plant at the end of its life?
Merv is blind to the other large projects that require decommissioning at the end of their lives and isn't honestly in a position to make a judgment on this case

[Anonymous No.5623504]

why don't we use fusion as a high yield neutron source to transmute thorium? it fixes the issue of thorium reactors not having enough neutrons to go about and the issue of fusion not making any energy.

[Anonymous No.5623506]

>>5623290

It's not nuclear and not really related but it's a cool large project

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21830846 - VIDEO
Does anyone know how to rip from BBC?

>Largest concentrated solar power plant opens in Abu Dhabi

>The oil-rich state of Abu Dhabi has officially opened the world's largest concentrated solar power plant.

>Shams 1 - which means 'the sun' in Arabic - uses advanced parabolic trough technology to harness the light from over 250,000 mirrors.

100MW

[Anonymous No.5623508]

>>5623504

Because fusion is 15 years away, why don't we use what we have now?

[Anonymous No.5623513]

>>5623508
we can do fusion, just not energy producing fusion. use a small fusion reactor to make neutrons to transmute thorium into uranium then use that as fuel.

[Anonymous No.5623521]

>>5623506

>250,000 mirrors, area equivalent to 285 football pitches
>equivalent to taking 15,000 cars off the road

[Anonymous No.5623524]

>>5623513

Thorium is 15 years away

[Anonymous No.5623529]

>>5623506
This is incredibly interesting.

[Anonymous No.5624225]

>>5623524
The future is 15 years away

[Anonymous No.5624488]

>>5624225

The future is now. This plant that has just been approved will be under construction for at least 8 years.

[Anonymous No.5624523]

>>5624488

That's the wrong image.

This one is less shit.

[Anonymous No.5625475]

>>5623290
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/9941499/Hinkley-Point-C-deal-or-no-deal-for-UK-nuclear.html

>You’d think after all that, Britain might know whether it was about to see the construction of the first new nuclear power station for a generation. Think again. Planning permission for EDF Energy’s £14bn Hinkley Point C plant in Somerset clears the last big regulatory hurdle. But a trickier obstacle remains.

>No shovel can turn until the state-backed French energy group cuts a deal with the Government over the price consumers will pay for the electricity the plant generates. The stakes are indeed high. On the talks between the two sides turns not only 25,000 construction jobs – plus 900 full-time during the plant’s 60-year lifetime - at Hinkley Point, but the fate of Britain’s nuclear industry.

>Negotiations over what is known as the “strike price” have, in the parlance, gone critical. Naturally, neither side will show its hand. But EDF is thought to be holding out for a 40-year deal that guarantees it £95-£100 for each megawatt hour (MWh) generated – getting on for twice the current market price for electricity. The Government offered £80/MWh, though is said to have budged that up a bit since.

Planning permission is granted but they need to agree on a price. What do they mean about the 40-year deal? I don't economics, how does inflation come into this?

>Any agreement will have a massive global impact because we are the only country where people think expanding nuclear is a good idea. Every nuclear business is looking to Britain because they think it’s a market ripe for entry.”
>implying importance

>But the cost of building new plants rocketed after the Fukushima disaster in Japan, while cost overruns at EDF’s new Flamanville plant in France made investors increasingly nervous – not least with shale gas emerging as an alternative energy source.

I'm blaming militant anti-nuclear fuckwads for this.

[Anonymous No.5625494]

>>5623290
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-21687437

>Hinkley Point C: Building challenges
Local infrastructure
>-Park and ride sites at Cannington and Williton
>-Parking for 1,300 vehicles at junctions 23 and 24 of the M5
>-Building three workers' campuses at Bridgwater Rugby Club, the former Innovia site (in Bridgwater) and on site at Hinkley Point C
>-Development at Combwich Wharf to help bring construction materials on site - development could take up to 18 months

Power station build
>The nuclear power station site will cover about 170 hectares (420 acres). Among the main elements are two UK European pressurised water (EPR) reactors, turbine halls and an electricity substation.
>"There's about three million cubic metres of earth to be moved and that's got to happen before the main construction teams can come in and they've got to build some tunnels to take the cooling water and bring the cooling water out.
>"Those are over 3km long and so there is a huge tunnelling contract to be done and then you can start putting down foundations for the main construction."
>This is likely to start sometime in 2014, with mechanical and electrical works to start mid-2015.
>This will be followed by about nine months to one year of testing before it can start producing electricity.

People and supply chains
>During peak construction the project will employ about 5,600 workers.
>So far 1,000 local companies have registered to the EDF supply chain and are going through the accreditation process.
>"It has to be a very well-planned project so every day you've got to know exactly what you're doing in relation to all the other contractors working round you.
>"So the biggest challenge really is mobilising the workforce in a relatively short period of time, training them all and getting them working alongside each other together."

tl;dr A nuclear reactor is a fucking huge project

[Anonymous No.5625498]

>>5623290
The environmental groups are all faggots who read Stephen King's the Tommyknockers.

>No No No radiation turns you into alien ufo space rape.

[Anonymous No.5625596]

>>5625498

When people think nuclear they think Mr Burns.

I'm making a statement that this is a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.5625627]

That site is bs, they always try to make it sound legit with the use of signified gamma desolators

[Anonymous No.5625719]

>>5625596
The face when environmentalist rage about safer, cleaner and ultimately more environmentally responsible power. Few tonnes of nuclear waste in tanks that will be safe (eventually) and repurposed as tank shells or tonnes of CO2 that will spend the rest of its long stable life choaking the planet till we die. Planet doesn't need saving from anything.

[Anonymous No.5625723]

Just for memory. How finite is the materials used in these power plants?

[Anonymous No.5625754]

>>5623333
i am aware you are trolling, and the irony fits so well.

[Anonymous No.5625758]

a small golf ball size of uranium is enough to power a city for a small duration of time.

fucking liars

[Nuka-Cola; Alpha Apple No.5626221]

>>5623506
oh shit, that huge motherfucker is only a hundred megawatts?
you could stick a three core nuclear facility in the same area, including the exclusion zone, and produce like 2.5 gigawatts electrical easily.

[Anonymous No.5627929]

>>5626221

At least it works for a desert. Though I'm a little concerned by how much water they need to dust the mirrors, it looks wasteful but I don't really have any idea what water supply they have.