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5601103 No.5601103 [Reply] [Original]

Nature is perfect. Everything that happens in nature is fundamentally supposed to happen. Matter is created and changed so that planets and plants and animals exist. Life is just a way matter has organized. So is man. Nature makes no mistakes. So, since man is a product of nature, he is, essentially, just as flawless. Everything man does is supposed to happen as it's part of nature's way. You can't blame volcanoes for erupting or lions for killing their prey. Everything man creates is just a more complex form of organization of matter.
tl;dr Man is part of nature and everything he does is nature's way.
What do you think?

>> No.5601108
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>> No.5601111

>>5601103

smells like horseshit to me

but that's just a geuss

>> No.5601133

>>5601103
Basically what I am saying is that global warming, pollution, deforestation and things like that, that people are responsible for, are just natural processes like for example ice ages.

>> No.5601143

>Nature is perfect.
I disagree.

>> No.5601144

>>5601103
premise:
>nature is perfect

observation:
>"bad things" happen

conclusion:
>"bad things" are good

seems legit

>> No.5601145

Yes natural selection is a perfect process by many definitions. This is new how?

>> No.5601808

Nature is not perfect because nature is not benevolent. Nature will turn a blind eye to all the suffering in the world and do nothing to help. Nature does not care how much suffering it causes and it does not care about making anyone or anything happier.

>> No.5601828

>2013
>using objective concepts of "flawless" and "perfect" to establish broader claim about subjective concepts.
>hah

if you cross boundries of subjectivity and objectivity you get a lot of stupid beliefs. logic can only go up and down it cant jump like that

>> No.5601835

Man is separate from nature. Sentience removes you from natural law. You can claim that each human is governed by natural law at their core, but often human constructed contracts and social agreements prevent natural law from ever coming in to play. Hence humans who follow their upgraded form of law through sentience are no longer part of nature, but preside above it.

I would agree with you op that "nature is perfect" but once you claim that humans are part of that premise it gets shady.

>> No.5601842

>multiple definitions of perfect depending on poster
>no one has pointed this out
>continue to discuss without bringing this up

Kill yourselves.

>> No.5601847

>>5601842
>implying it wasn't brought up two posts above you

>> No.5601881

>>5601835
>Sentience removes you from natural law

Fuck off. Dualism goes to >>>/x/

>> No.5601909

>>5601881
I'm not saying that humans are completely removed from natural law, just that human communities and interaction when governed by some kind of social contract is no longer natural law, but something more than that. If you remove the contract, then yes humans are a part of natural law and will act on their baser instincts. If that's dualism, then fuck me and call me a dualist.

>> No.5601930

>>5601881
Trolling goes to >>>/b/.

>> No.5601937

>Nature is perfect.
Stopped reading there

>> No.5601957

I'm a newfag. Can some please explain to me if op is a troll or just retarded? Thank you.

>> No.5601962

>>5601957
>implying these two options are mutually exclusive

>> No.5601969

Oh my god. When will people understand this. Everyone from Christians to conservationists seem to have this wacked idea that there is some sort of "natural order" in the world, some divine intention for the way things are supposed to happen. Stop personifying nature.

>> No.5601974

>>5601962
>on /sci
>implying it couldn't have been an inclusive or

>> No.5601986

>>5601974
In this case the answer is trivially "yes".

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>>5601828

>> No.5602012

I reject your fist statement that nature is perfect

>> No.5602015

>>5602012
first*

>> No.5602028

>>5601103
>Man is part of nature and everything he does is nature's way

I also have had thoughts along these lines, although the way you worded the first part would probably remove any credibility in your argument.

But yes, to define man-made things as 'unnatural' does not seem right to me, given that we are a product of nature ourselves.

>> No.5602030

>>5602012
It's perfect enough to let you exist.