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Do you think this is true?

>> No.5590660

>>5590658
in general?

no

>> No.5590663

>what engineers want to believe

>> No.5590684

Engineers think that money will make them happy, and that when they graduate and start earning, everything will be fantastic.
I think it's the disappointment that really kills them. Their lives may get better, but when they realise by how little, they are crushed. Every engineer to have posted here has talked about how boring and lifeless their job is/was. None of the engineering students seem to agree.

>> No.5590690

>>5590684
Not everyone who heads into engineering is in it for the money.

>> No.5590693

>>5590658
All of entertainment/advertizing/marketing are run by liberal arts majors. They tend to enjoy their work. Different personalities; the lib arts guy makes his degree while the STEM guy needs the degree for validation. A dork engineer would never last in the entertainment industry. I am a city civil guy in LA. Average job for average beta type people.

Here are a few off the top of my head.
Howard Stringer Sony Harvard history
Paul Lee ABC TV Oxford Portuguese/Russian
Les Moonves CBS Netword CEO Bucknell Spanish
Jeff Katzenburgh ex-NBC TV Harvard history
Roger Faxon EMI Entertainment Johs Hopkins international relations
Brady Dougan Credit Suisse University of Chicago economics
Jamie Dimon JPMorgan Chase Tufts psychology/economics
James McNerney Boeing Yale American studies also Harvard MBA
Andrea Jung Avon Princeton English literature

>> No.5590695

As far as the economic concept of quality of life? No it doesn't just jump up and down like that.

As far as overall satisfaction? Job satisfaction plays a slight role in that but job satisfaction has little to do with income.

>> No.5590697

I sure hope so.

>> No.5590699

>>5590693
Since when is economics liberal arts?

>> No.5590703

>engineers still feel the need to talk themselves up

Just come out of the closet already, it will do a lot for all this insecurity. And your happiness has little to do with other people

>> No.5590706

>>5590699
They got their majors then went into business. Non scientific majors have a lot more flexibility in what they can do (thought there are plenty of engineers who go into economics also)

>> No.5590709

>>5590706
>Non scientific majors have a lot more flexibility in what they can do.

Naturally, since non-scientific majors tend to lead to generalist roles, while scientific majors lead to technical roles.

The issue with that is that generalist roles are less and less needed while technical roles have higher employability.

I'm sure the liberal arts majors who actually got a job have a lot of fun, the issue is that the majority of liberal arts majors don't have a related job at all.

>> No.5590710

>>5590699

economics is a social science

you can get B.S. for them, but it's usually a B.A. hence liberal arts

>> No.5590713

>>5590699
According to /sci econ is shit tier. Besides we all know they added all the math just to make themselves look more scientific.

>> No.5590716

>>5590713
There's no rationality behind making a degree shit tier when it has such a high income potential.

>> No.5590721

I've seen a lot of technical people in my field switch careers because they got bored with the tedium of what they were doing. Some engineers design rockets, others have to work in water treatment plants. Even the high paying jobs like petroleum engineering can be incredibly monotonous.

TLDR: you can't just cluster people into groups of "liberal arts" and "engineers" because there's a couple hundred subsets of each

>> No.5590727

>>5590716
Theres no rationale for ranking "legitimacy" of degrees in the first place. But the best part of being a scientist isn't the science, its showing everyone that you are

>> No.5590736

>>5590727
Nobody cares about your imaginary hierarchy.

>>5590713
Only the mathematical component of macroeconomics is bullshit; everything else is pretty much as scientific as it can be.

>> No.5590740

>>5590716
well you could rank them by how important they are or something

>> No.5590763

>>5590716
/sci/ has never studied economics.

Just ignore them.

>> No.5590768

Of course not.

Your typical depressed, anti social engineer is still going to hate themselves after going into the real world. Sure they'll have a bit more money than the others, but money doesn't mean shit if you're not happy with who you are.

The typical LA major probably has an easier time finding happiness in life, so they'll be ok with earning less and having menial jobs.

>> No.5590784

Studies have found that gay men tend to live higher quality lives than straight ones.

>> No.5590810
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>>5590658
Do you think this is true?

>> No.5590813

>>5590810
>linux
>outgrow childish hobbies

Choose one.

>> No.5590816

>>5590813
>>>/v/

>> No.5590817

>>5590816
gb2 >>>/g/ to all the other plebs who can't afford a mac

>> No.5590823
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>> No.5590826

>>5590823
So true it makes me cry...

>> No.5590835
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5590835

>engineering major
>not going to parties everyday

do you even college?

>> No.5590851

>people still setting college graduation as the definitive moment in life

Is there really nobody on /sci/ older than 20?

>> No.5590868

>>5590823

i'd agree with that, if you showed the fourier transform of that graph instead

>> No.5590874

>>5590684
Yes, this got me to thinking of working for a company that had a high-job satisfaction rate as apposed to solely good pay. I heard Boeing is a good place to work for if your an engineer, so I might try that. And there's this little Texas oil company that just sounds ever so wonderful.

>> No.5590902

I really don't understand engineering majors who spend all their time studying. You can get really important life experiences and maybe even have FUN when you attend parties. All the succesful engineers I know myself have had fun while they were at college and they didn't stress even if they failed some of their courses at the first try.

>> No.5590905

>>5590851
pretty sure there's at least 3 of us in mid/late 30s and at least 1 in his 40s

>> No.5590908

>>5590902
This.

I don't think you can discern happiness by what degree you pursue, it has more to do with your mindset.

If you spend all your time holed up inside, never going to parties, hoping to excel at your degree, naturally your life is gonna go down the shithole when you realise money won't buy you happiness.

>> No.5590910

>>5590902
Oh yes, I realized at some point that I'd probably have to repeat a class or two because a few or them are notoriously difficult. I'm trying my best to take it easy.

>> No.5590915

>>5590874
>James McNerney Boeing Yale American studies also Harvard MBA

So you want to work for a liberal arts major?

>> No.5590918

>>5590910

I got seriously depressed going to school. In my 3rd year, I took a year off.

Now, to keep myself from going crazy I've resorted to being a really bad student. I can still keep a B average though.

>> No.5590923

>>5590902
Most, or maybe around half, of all engineering students are in it because of their parents. These kids are deathly afraid of their parents and they aren't going to risk disappointing them.

>> No.5590927

>>5590918
Oh yeah, I got depressed because there was a chance that I wouldn't have pasted Calc 1 on my first try, but I still ended still passing with a C so I didn't sweat it. Now I'm learned to just take it easy.
>>5590923
Hmm, I never though of that.

>> No.5590948

>>5590658
no

after graduation, engineers work in cubicles

>> No.5591021

Seems to simplistic to me op.

>> No.5591037

>>5590874

I have heard from a few friends of mine at Boeing that engineers are actually striking. Lockheed-Martin on the other hand... I understand they treat their engineers very nicely!

>>5590684

I don't know who you've been talking to, but as an engineer I can tell you I love it.

>>5590851

I'm 23 but yes, I would say very few people here are not freshmen STEM majors or high schoolers.

OP is wrong. The quality of life is pretty high pre/post-graduation IF YOU LIKE ENGINEERING (meaning you don't care about the salary or prestige).

>> No.5591067

>>5591037
> as an engineer I can tell you I love it
> 23
come back in 13 years and let me know what you think kiddo. I'm not saying I hate my life but everything gets dull as fuck when you do it for someone else, and you are always doing it for someone else, because either they're your boss and you have to listen to them, or they're your customer(s) and you have to listen to them.

>> No.5591075

>>5591067
That's true of a lot of white collar jobs, I'd assume.

>> No.5591090

>>5591075
About the only lifestyle I can think of that this doesn't happen would be "starving artist" or something similar, where you just do whatever and cross your fingers that it makes you some money to pay rent.

>> No.5591094

>>5590690
Completely agree, mainly the people in it for the money are the first to be disappointed.

>> No.5591096

>>5590915
Look, if it makes you happy, why would you forgo that based on a stupid cross-discipline rivalry?

>> No.5591101

>>5591067

>kiddo

Mature.

Yes, you will be doing things for someone else in authority. The big thing for me is that I grew up and learned to deal with that early. Such is life. It's much easier when you like what you do though.

>> No.5591114

>>5591101
> getting buttmad over kiddo
see you in a decade, champ

>> No.5591124

>>5591114
wow epic joke friend you shure showed him lol my sides are invisible

>> No.5591133

>>5591101
> using 'mature' ironically
female or beta?

>> No.5591141

>>5590658
So, at the point of graduation, both an engineer and a liberal arts student have infinitely many qualities of life?
Shitty graph is shitty.

>> No.5591144

>>5591133
Neither being young nor female are negative traits to have (don't feel superior because you've gone longer without dying, its not really an impressive skill to have)

And the beta comment reeks of /v/ or /fit/ so im going to suggest you go there

>> No.5591145

>>5591114

>Your provoking
>effective

Choose only one.

>>5591124

This.

>> No.5591162

>>5591145
funny seemed to piss you kids off enough to get 2 responses

>> No.5591165

Does it even matter? A degree in EE is 10x better than a degree in arts.

>> No.5591171

>>5591144
DAY 1, Subject Beta (Anonymous Poster)
"Subject is seen trying to argue against the use of words and titles that are commonly seen and used on 4chan.org. Not only does subject show discomfort (Rustling of Jimmies) at the use of "kiddo" (frequently used word to show condescension on 4chan) but he also attempts to argue the mildly derogatory use of the words "Female" and "Beta". While such arguments may be appropriate in everyday person to person discussion, subject shows little awareness of the fact that 4chan.org boards tend to deviate from what is socially acceptable. We find that this lack of situational awareness is most likely due to a combination of "Being new here" and "Underageb&". General beta characteristics also observed.

>> No.5591175

>>5590817
how does it feel to not have any knowledge whatsoever about price/performance ratio?

>> No.5591185

>>5590709

I think a LA major could do almost any job that is not as specialized as engineering, but could eng majors do anything at all other than maths + engineering?

>> No.5591193

>>5591185
Major is irrelevant; intelligence is the key. An intelligent LA or eng major can do anything.

>> No.5591226

>>5591165
False, what if you want to be a movie agent. I would argue a history degree from Yale is better than an EE degree from Shit Tier State University.

>> No.5591254

Biomedical Engineer took most satisfying job last year but Marketing Consultant (a job many LA majors go into) took #2 (and had the higher median pay rate)

Really if you think all engineers are happy and all LA majors are sad you're a fucking imbecile

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>> No.5591301

>>5591185
ROFL, you have it backwards. A science person can do anything, a LA person can do anything non-technical.

Honestly, I will never understand the logic behind having LAs as CEOs. What the fuck do they know about anything? Their analysis skills are shit compared to someone who has a math, physics, or engineering degree. They have no mathematical background for analyzing trends or economics.

The only thing they MIGHT have is people skills, which is why I think they're promoted up there. Not because they're actually capable, but they can talk to people and climb to the top.

>> No.5591315

>>5591301
People skills are all it takes.
People are retarded like that. They'd rather be lead by the guy who can talk them into doing shit over the guy who knows how to do shit.

>> No.5591317

>>5591301
>A science person can do anything, a LA person can do anything non-technical.

I can confirm personally that while I can write technical papers like a boss I am probably the worst writer/visual designer I have ever met in my life. We're talking just horrendous power points. Succeeding in one area does not equate to succeeding in all

>> No.5591340

>>5591298
using independent variable of x and not t.

get out of here with your shit tier deltas.

>> No.5591345

>>5591317
Really? Someone should be a CEO because they can make powerpoints?

If someone can write proofs of complex mathematical theorems, I can think we can confidently say that they're probably just as capable of analyzing history or a piece of fiction as well as a LA major.

Now, they might not be able to actually WRITE a piece of fiction, but I'm sure their analysis skills are just as good, if not better.

When I took a class on analyzing texts, I was wowing the LA majors because I was owning them in their own field.

>> No.5591348

>>5591298
>x
>not t
you are this pleb

>> No.5591354

>>5591301
>What the fuck do they know about anything?
Not the CEOs job to know everything. He/she has underlings to do that stuff.
>The only thing they MIGHT have is people skills...
Boeing is run by a Yale LA grad because of those skills. Who do you send to close a big arms deal, the slick Ivy Leaguer or the dork engineer?

>> No.5591358

>>5591345
Im not saying that, I'm just pointing out that assuming someone will make a good anything because they are a good engineer is dumb as hell

>> No.5591362

>>5591345
>If someone can write proofs of complex mathematical theorems, I can think we can confidently say that they're probably just as capable of analyzing history or a piece of fiction as well as a LA major.

>just as capable

Your argument was superior, which is unfounded. Even your own wording betrays this

>> No.5591371

>>5590868

I think you need to review Fourier transforms of elementary functions