/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.5578358]

>tqw you try to explain how you move your arm and find it impossible

We can explain how to tie our shoes, build rockets and the neural activity involved in moving our arms, but we can't describe what we do when we move our arms up and down, how to do it.

Why is there such a huge explanatory gap surrounding our minds and will and what our experiences feel like?

[Anonymous No.5578362]

>what is biology

stop talking about "we"

just becuase your to stupid to google how it works, doesnt mean others dont know.

[Anonymous No.5578361]

>qualia
>>>/x/

>minds and will and what our experiences feel like
Untestable pseudoscience bullshit without evidence. Magical souls go to >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.5578374]

>>5578362

So how would you explain to somehow how you move your arms?

Lets say you had to teach someone how to do it, like how you teach them to tie their shoes.

[Anonymous No.5578373]

nice filename

[Anonymous No.5578380]

>>5578362
>just becuase your to stupid to google how it works, doesnt mean others dont know.

but he already addressed this:

>we can explain...the neural activity involved in moving our arms

[Anonymous No.5578381]

>>5578358
that quale when

[Anonymous No.5578404]

>>5578374
Visualize your arm moving, now fucking move it. Protip: Use these spinal nerves: C4,C5,C6,C7,C8 and T1.

[Anonymous No.5578413]

>>5578404
OK. Now explain how you just explained how to move your arm

[Anonymous No.5578429]

>>5578413
Easy, I stimulated my brachial plexuses in a way i could move my fingers to type the previous statements. My brain sends the stimuli through neurotransmitters and ions that went through the synapse, you know, stuff goes from axon to dendrites.

[Anonymous No.5578433]

>>5578429
But how did you stimulate your brachial plexuses?

[Anonymous No.5578437]

>>5578404
>now fucking move it

That's about as much as we can explain.

We're equally retarded when it comes to feels, experiences, consciousness, etc

how do I form a thought?

[Anonymous No.5578441]

>>5578429

>he has to consciously stimulate every cell in order to move his arm

that's not how it works buddy lol so dumb

[Anonymous No.5578445]

>>5578433
I already told you.
>My brain sends the stimuli through neurotransmitters and ions that went through the synapse, you know, stuff goes from axon to dendrites.

>>5578441
>>he has to consciously stimulate every cell
>consciously

No, some nerves magically stimulate themselves, i'm talking about the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.

[Anonymous No.5578448]

>>5578445
so you stimulate your brachial plexuses in a way that stimulates your brachial plexuses in a way that makes your fingers type out the previous statement?

[Anonymous No.5578452]

>>5578448
Exactly. Next question?

[Anonymous No.5578453]

>>5578445
>some nerves magically stimulate themselves

so your arms move kind of like how your stomach digests, without your consent and knowledge

you dont actually know how to move your arms?

join the club

[Anonymous No.5578457]

>>5578452
So how do you stimulate your brachial plexuses in a way stimulates your brachial plexuses in a way that stimulates your brachial plexuses in a way that makes your fingers type out the previous statement?

[Anonymous No.5578469]

>>5578453
>you dont actually know how to move your arms?

Yes, i actually do. in my previous post i said we have some autonomous nerves and some that we can move ourselves, The ones that control our arms are part of this group, they form part of the somatic nervous system. We know how to move them through a cognitive process called syneidesis. You know, it's very hard to explain and i guess you won't be able to understand it, so i won't do it today, besides, it's to late for explaining that kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.5578481]

>>5578448
>>5578452
consciousness is not a single point, but a multitude of perspectives held within all of your brain. Obviously there are some parts of the brain that don't perceive any sensual stimuli, but still have their role to play. Most of your explicit awareness is generated by the cerebral cortex.

Basically, you move your arm by sending bio-electrical impulses down to the muscles in your arm. where the impulse comes from is from the motor cortex, which can receive signals from the conscious and reason driven part of your brain (cerebral cortex and frontal lobe, which decide you would like to move your arm for a specific reason) or it can get the signal from the more reflexive unconscious parts of the brain (like the spinal cord when you touch something hot.) All the neurons work together to make a network of organized information. The purpose of which is to self preserve and preserve the other parts of the body.

[Anonymous No.5578480]

>>5578469

there is no description for how to translate an intention into behavior; which is why you find it hard to explain

[Anonymous No.5578484]

>>5578469
>syneidesis
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.5578488]

>>5578481
Shh. Don't say consciousness or the consciousness guy will come to rape this thread. Instead, you can replace the word with it's greek equivalent "syneidesis" that means the same and sounds more scientific.

>Captcha: Soulnst exchequer

[Anonymous No.5578492]

>>5578484
>>5578488

Fuck. He's already here.

[Anonymous No.5578493]

>>5578481
>>5578488
Non-interacting invisible rape demons are not a topic of science. Get that crap off the science board.

[Anonymous No.5578496]

>>5578493
For the record, I didn't bring rape demons into this.
At least not on purpose.

[Anonymous No.5578500]

>>5578496
I don't care about irrelevant metaphysical distinctions. Untestable dualism nonsense is not a topic of science or math.

[Anonymous No.5578510]

>>5578500
CONSCIOUSNESS

[Anonymous No.5578518]

>>5578500

consciousness is testable and observable through inference, like how we infer the existence of forces and gravity through their effects

[Anonymous No.5578516]

>>5578510
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.5578522]

>>5578516
Not while I remain... CONSCIOUS

[Anonymous No.5578526]

>>5578500
philosophy, math, and science (applied math), have been together for a while. Great chunks of progress in mathematics were thanks to philosophers.

[Anonymous No.5578530]

>>5578518
also, this.

[Anonymous No.5578531]

>>5578358
i used to wonder the same thing OP except I thought about what it would be like to have a tail and how you would move it. For humans, having a tail is unfathomable

[Anonymous No.5578534]

>>5578500
>>5578518
>>5578526

[Anonymous No.5578541]

>>5578531
I imagine it would be incorporated into one's proprioception over time, much like our usual limbs.

[Anonymous No.5578584]

>>5578445
My brain send the stimuli through the neuro....

Where is the stimuli coming from?

Aren't neurotransmitters inside your brain

[Anonymous No.5578588]

>>5578457

[Anonymous No.5578590]

>>5578584