>"I don't believe in evolution." How do you respond to something like this? An acquaintance of mine recently said this to me and now I can't look at them the same way.

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Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:43:00 2013 No.5575719 [Reply] [Original]

>"I don't believe in evolution."

How do you respond to something like this? An acquaintance of mine recently said this to me and now I can't look at them the same way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:44:14 2013 No.5575720 you're right anon its just a geuss

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:45:14 2013 No.5575724 >>5575719 > I can't look at them the same way. I think you start by getting over your religious atheism. It's called the THEORY of Evolution FOR A REASON!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:45:28 2013 No.5575726 >>5575719 >How do you respond to something like this? better question: why do you respond to something like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:47:28 2013 No.5575734 I dont really do anything because they usually have no major pull in science and therefore not a concern. If they were a biology professor at a well known school I'd be worried.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:50:15 2013 No.5575744 Don't do anything, just stop associating with them.

>>	metric !1tensorX8Q Sat Mar 2 00:50:15 2013 No.5575743 You don't respond to it. You'll just end up in a pointless argument. You're not going to change his mind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:50:59 2013 No.5575745 File: 19 KB, 250x166, Raymond Geuss.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5575720 >geuss

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:51:14 2013 No.5575746 >>5575719 >I didn't ask if you believe in evolution, but have you studied or understand evolution?

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:51:14 2013 No.5575748

>>5575719
"Existance had a concept of itself before it produced itself"

At one point or another this happened.
If things were redistributed after that then well fine & good.
Origional point defines itself to the comparison of: Well if this is not true then why don't you know everything there is?

And if that doesnt work just kill them and let society progress.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:52:14 2013 No.5575752

>>5575724
0/10

>>5575726
I didn't. I merely gave him and weird look and continued the conversation.

>>5575734
I just don't understand how someone can completely reject something that's been extensively studied. If I remember correctly, he said something about it disagreeing with his religion; he's a Lebanese Muslim.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:52:43 2013 No.5575753 >HAHA, right on brother. How can someone believe in evolution when its just a theory, a geuss

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:55:14 2013 No.5575760 >>5575752 most muslims are creationists, and soon most of the world will be muslim. so it kinda evens out. what's really cool though is that muslims still kill evolutionists as blasphemers, so science and medicine won't survive their rule.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:55:14 2013 No.5575761 >So you sayin' we came from monkeys? I die a little bit every time I hear that. >you will never escape these people Do they just ignore how similar humans, apes, and monkeys look anatomically?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 00:56:28 2013 No.5575765 >>5575761 why does the monkey thing bother you? cladistically speaking not only did we come from monkeys, but we ARE monkeys.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:00:14 2013 No.5575776 >>5575765 Because it shows a clear lack of understanding of what evolution is. Having a common ancestor doesn't mean that we somehow morphed from the monkeys in the jungle. Also, we're apes not monkeys.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:00:28 2013 No.5575777 >>5575765 because he's le atheist and fight over trivial semantics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:01:28 2013 No.5575780 >>5575777 Why did it somehow become le cool thing to think being atheist is edgy? I'm not atheist, anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:02:29 2013 No.5575782 >>5575777 >trivial semantics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape#Distinction_from_monkeys creationist pls go

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:03:15 2013 No.5575783 Why do you guys care so much? Nihilism has made my life so fuckin relaxed.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:03:59 2013 No.5575788

Asking them what they do believe in, then. Also why they believe it, and why they don't believe in evolution. Get some understanding as to why they have different views, then try to explain yours (without trying to alter what they believe). Have an intellectual discussion instead of just assuming they're retarded.

If that doesn't work, run to the nearest gun locker, chamber two rounds, and paint their beliefs all over the office wall, then spray your own over it, that way only yours can be seen and you come out superior.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:08:14 2013 No.5575794 >>5575776 >implying apes aren't monkeys ok boss, I'll just try to forget all those cladistics they teach nowadays. or maybe you should catch up. If we aren't monkeys then "monkey" isn't a thing anymore. see also, reptiles, fishes.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:09:29 2013 No.5575799

they insta-ssociate "evolution" with humans evolving from monkeys

it could just mean that they don't like the thought that they're monkeys, what's wrong with that

but if they don't believe in organisms evolving, then that's another thing...

make it very clear what you're asking next time, not everyone is a scifag who knows the definition of evolution by heart. there's 100 sub-types, so be specific.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:17:29 2013 No.5575809

>>5575799
I think we really need to finish with the apes-humans example of evolution. I mean yes, if you study biology or whatnot, it comes up, but I really think that for the general public, an example that's simple and disconnected from themselves ("Humans weren't apes, because I'm a human and that doesn't sit well with me"), i.e. bacteria, would help cement the idea of evolution in the uninformed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:19:44 2013 No.5575816 >>5575809 I don't think we need to improve a message that's being rejected on purely dogmatic grounds. nothing you do to better your argument will affect someone that doesn't want to hear it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:23:59 2013 No.5575823 >>5575794 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey >first sentence Enough with your affected contrarianism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:25:13 2013 No.5575828 >bible written by people who spoke english >adam and eve obviously spoke english >therefore why does anybody in the world speak languages other than english god 0 me 1

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:25:13 2013 No.5575827

>>5575809

Even Wikipedia starts off the "evolution" article with Darwin. If you want an opinion on Darwinism, ask if they believe in Darwinist theory. If you're asking about organisms in general, give examples of how viruses evolve and become more deadly... Everybody understands that.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:27:59 2013 No.5575833

>>5575823
from the article, since you can't be bothered to read beyond the first sentence:

>Scientific classifications are now more often based on monophyletic groups, that is groups consisting of all the descendants of a common ancestor. The New World monkeys and the Old World monkeys are each monophyletic groups, but their combination is not, since it excludes hominoids (apes and humans). Thus the term "monkey" no longer refers to a recognized scientific taxon.

Monkeys are no longer a thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:29:01 2013 No.5575837 >>5575828 Plebs were building a tower to reach the heavens. God punished plebs by dividing them linguistically. Me - 0 Plebs who edited the Bible in time - 1

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:29:13 2013 No.5575838 >>5575828 >bible written by people who spoke english

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:36:28 2013 No.5575848 funny how physics doesn't use the ideas of natural selection and recombinant particles to explain the origins of that domains favored unit, but this type of theory is considered success in biology

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:45:15 2013 No.5575858 >>5575848 that's because biology is orders of magnitude more complex than physics.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:51:13 2013 No.5575873

>>5575858
This reminds me:
why don't they just teach the sciences in order of most basic to most extrapolated? For example, alongside algebra/calculus/etc they should teach physics and then teach chemistry the following year, then biology, and so forth.

Is that too much to ask?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:56:16 2013 No.5575880 >>5575873 the decrease in complexity of the subject is accompanied by an exponential increase in the complexity of the study of it, presumably because simplicity lends itself to detailed modeling while complexity rarely shows itself completely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:59:29 2013 No.5575892 >>5575873 Because education is complete garbage here in the states. Things like arts and sports take precedence over STEM fields. It leads to potential talent here relegated to intellectual frustration, boredom and burnout.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 01:59:29 2013 No.5575893 File: 115 KB, 1000x1331, transmutation.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5575765 no we are not saiyans we are apes

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:00:00 2013 No.5575896 File: 44 KB, 324x411, 1354617520825.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5575893 didn't bother reading the thread, did you? fuck off, lazy moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:01:00 2013 No.5575897 >>5575873 Because: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PLC40D451D41DCA3AA&v=wBcU_QbsJoM#t=412s sadly

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:07:44 2013 No.5575907

>>5575719

You can try to enlighten the person if they're open minded and intellectually focused, however it's rare that this pans out for anything useful.

As you get older you'll continue to intellectually develop and they'll just remain stunted. It'll get to the point where they're so far below you, that you no longer want to speak or associate with them. That's just the way it gets.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:08:59 2013 No.5575911 File: 1.34 MB, 244x109, 1362110355593.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5575896 the fuck does that have to do with anything shitsucking nigger

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:09:45 2013 No.5575916 >>5575752 >Muslim There's your problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:13:14 2013 No.5575922 >>5575916 Fuck em they're just as retarded as Christians

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:14:59 2013 No.5575925
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>>5575893
>>5575911
allow me to sum up-

>no we are not saiyans
no shit.
saiyans don't exist
do you mean "simians"?
we are simians, look the word up.
apes are also simians.
"simian" =/= "monkey"

>we are apes
yes
we are also monkeys, reptiles, and fish
or
monkeys, reptiles, fish aren't really things.
if you read back a ways, or take biology 101 you'll learn which answer is correct.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:16:44 2013 No.5575933

>>5575916

well tell him this - since the world was flat and a lot of creatures fell off the edges, monkeys evolved by developing longer, stronger arms and thus preserving their species

but then the white man found a way to make the earth round, so monkeys didn't need long arms anymore, so that's how the human evolved

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:18:44 2013 No.5575936 http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-family-tree show him this, also explain carbon dating if he miraculously doesn't seem to understand that either

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:21:44 2013 No.5575941 >>5575936 but carbon dating has nothing to do with evolution. It barely covers recent archaeology.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:25:43 2013 No.5575946 >sum1 duznt beleeb my preshus theery wut do i do guise? plz halp i am so sad. lol atheism

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:25:43 2013 No.5575947 I usually just ask them why, and let them spill spaghetti trying to qualify their argument with bullshit they learned in church and from there give very easy refutations. The worst thing to do is just give them a pass and say "I respect your beliefs"

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:25:59 2013 No.5575949 Depending on the neighborhood he lives in, he really could deduce that there's no evolution :/

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:26:29 2013 No.5575951 >>5575941 Explain, it was an example. Half-life of certain elements proves age right? So wouldn't it be very convincing if you have species slowly changing that you can prove were right after each other?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:26:44 2013 No.5575952 File: 1.90 MB, 220x160, 1360637779171.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5575925 >saiyans have a tail >monkeys have a tail >Apes don't have a tail >HUMANS DON'T HAVE A TAIL that's the joke

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:26:58 2013 No.5575953 >>5575941 Hey that's dangerous thinking. Better watch out, the evolution gestapo are going to take you away forever. We all love evolution here. We're all men of science right? nudge nudge say yes you fool

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:29:59 2013 No.5575958 >>5575952 apologies, I'm much too autistic to understand a joke. now that you've explained I'm still a bit confused. I'll write you off as intoxicated and get back to acting arrogant and superior.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:32:44 2013 No.5575960 File: 184 KB, 1202x2349, gestapo_copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5575953 Did someone say carbon dating is inaccurate? Surely no....Creationist is lurking here, right citizen?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:33:13 2013 No.5575961 >>5575958 no you're doing it wrong, you're supposed to hijack the thread and talk about your addiction to plastic soldiers (Wo'amma) https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FeGaffIJvHM#t=270s

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:34:43 2013 No.5575962 >>5575960 lol niceboots

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:35:29 2013 No.5575964 File: 345 KB, 1202x2349, gestapo_copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It is crime to be Creationist, ja? Verstehen Sie?

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:36:58 2013 No.5575966

>>5575953
carbon dating only goes back about 60,000 years ago. Life has been evolving for about 3,500,000,000 years, and modern humans have been around for about 200,000 years.

carbon dating doesn't even tell us how long ago humans evolved, it's simply not capable of reading times that old.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:36:58 2013 No.5575970 File: 400 KB, 1202x2349, gestapo_copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You know the punishment for advocating Creationist beliefs, don't you citizen?

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:38:29 2013 No.5575971
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>>5575960
>thinks carbon dating is used in evolutionary paleontology

that's creationist thinking right there.

on a side note I love how /sci/ lacks an 8th grade understanding of evolution.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:38:58 2013 No.5575973 >>5575966 Oooh, well any way to prove older dates? They have the dates somehow, OP can just use said methods and convince muhammad he is wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:39:28 2013 No.5575976 File: 399 KB, 1202x2349, gestapo_copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why, you seem upset citizen. If you have nothing to hide, why do you appear so stressed? Perhaps you need bedrest. That's all this is, right citizen?

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:41:30 2013 No.5575981

>>5575971
Evolution in terms of the specifics about dating methods was vague to say the least in my schooling. I knew layers of the earth and relative dating and depth and such but I was looking for an example of almost definite proof of age to show alongside species development for OP hence why I was first in this thread to mention carbon dating

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:42:13 2013 No.5575983 >>5575973 indeed. we just need to be specific, because plenty of creationists know carbon dating won't work and pretend that's what we use- it's a strawman kinda thing.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:44:29 2013 No.5575984
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There, there, relax citizen. The Ministry of Science is here to provide for you. We are not unlike music industry, or food industry. We simply fill a need that you have, a religious one if you will.

Except unlike filthy vile Bible, we let you do whatever you want.

Freedom is nice, isn't it citizen?

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:45:43 2013 No.5575986
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>>5575981
understood.

in my biology class 20+ years ago we covered carbon dating as an example of radiometric dating, but also examined why carbon dating in particular isn't used to date evolution.

you aren't the only one I'm criticizing, I'm still a bit amazed that people don't know that we evolved from monkeys and (informally speaking) are monkeys.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:51:13 2013 No.5575995
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Let's all stand for the anthem of evolution.

Evolution, Evolution
Powerful revolution!
Science is True
As the red, white, & blue
Nothing burns brighter
Than a Bible with a lighter

Oh Evolution, Evolution
POWERFUL REVOLUTION!

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 02:55:13 2013 No.5576004

>>5575983
Haha, interesting mistake I made then

>>5575986
Yes we evolved from monkeys but not chimps. People are always hurr durr I'm no gorilla amirite? jesus god 6000 years. I linked the smithsonian webpage earlier and its clear we evolved from man-ape sasquath like things, not what we think of as monkeys. Am I upset by this? No, we're all animals, just intelligent ones and sharing ancestry with what you consider inferior doesn't make you a monkey because we are still human obviously.

Also, can anyone explain than for me how we obtain the age of fossils in a way that cannot be denied? I'm too lazy to google it right now and it can be explained more simply here

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 03:04:44 2013 No.5576011
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>>5576004
well, to the modern zoologist we are just a peculiar sort of fish. And our last common ancestor with chimps would be classified as a chimp, so it's not far off to say we evolved from chimps- just not modern chimps.

regarding fossil dating, we use decay rates of radioactive isotopes to date them, primarily uranium-lead dating. however the explanation isn't particularly simple and the model of carbon dating is a fair example of the principles involved.

mostly we find uranium in zircon and decide how long it's been sitting around by how far the uranium has decayed into lead.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 03:09:29 2013 No.5576012
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>>5576004
it's also interesting to note that after humans and chimps seperated we at least once went back and fucked chimps, so modern humans are technically a human/chimp hybrid. Possibly more than once.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 03:18:44 2013 No.5576019 >>5576012 Then did the ancient spacemen come and mix their dna with us too, or were they too busy having sex with chimps? Tell me oh wise science man.

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 03:21:30 2013 No.5576024
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>>5576019
just chimps.

spaceman dna would show up as a sudden change to the genome, which we don't have.

oh, you're joking.
damn my autism. I had my sense of humor shot off in the Gulf War.

have a picture of the sort of thing paleontologists find amusing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 03:21:44 2013 No.5576026 >>5576019 The aliens breeded with fish, that's why dolphins are somewhat intelligent and still breathe air

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 03:27:14 2013 No.5576035 >>5576026 WOW DUDE LE BLOWN MY LE MIND LE SCIENCE XD

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 03:34:44 2013 No.5576044 File: 59 KB, 480x746, 3772501+_28497f9c809a7a277af2e45200e8c9c9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5576035 I knew somebody would believe me! The end of sheeple draws near!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 03:41:58 2013 No.5576061 >>5576035 what is shitposting

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 05:28:30 2013 No.5576230 I hate the argument that says "I don't believe in evolution because I've never seen it happen".

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 06:19:58 2013 No.5576281 >>5575922 But more violent

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 06:36:14 2013 No.5576291 >>5575719 you move on to another subject who the fuck talks about science like it's some pop culture shit anyways talk about sports, music, dance or some real life shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 06:40:14 2013 No.5576296 >>5576291 Hurr durr sciens is a serious buisness

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 07:48:30 2013 No.5576360 >>5575837 So, I see god thinks space elevators were a waste of time as well then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 10:18:45 2013 No.5576531 >>5575719 >"I don't believe in evolution." >How do you respond to something like this? "That's only because you don't know what it means."

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 10:25:59 2013 No.5576550 Push him down, son.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 10:27:46 2013 No.5576555 Is he a friend? Use lube. If not, don't use lube.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:02:29 2013 No.5576641 File: 95 KB, 316x324, antoine-dodson[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5575724 Though it's a reasonably obvious troll... when people actually say this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:06:15 2013 No.5576649 File: 45 KB, 600x400, glenn-beck-600_s640x427[1].jpg_73b8e21685896c3f2859310aaa5adb253919.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5575837 My favey bit is when the bears kill the kids.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:14:59 2013 No.5576660 The funny thing about facts is that they don't care whether or not you "believe" in them - they remain facts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:26:45 2013 No.5576687 Believe what you want to, whatever it takes to make you happy. Please, just don't press your opinion onto anybody else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:28:13 2013 No.5576693 Science doesn't require belief to work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:28:43 2013 No.5576696 I don't believe in the moon, it's just the back of the sun

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:33:00 2013 No.5576708

OP, it's the same way people can deny climate change.
99.84% of all scientific papers published on the issue from 1995 to 2012 agree that global warming is real. That leaves a number of papers in the double digits.
The people that morons listen to, i.e. politicians, are paid by oil and energy companies to keep on saying that the jury is still out.
Same shit with evolution.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:35:45 2013 No.5576713 >>5575719 >I don't believe in evolution I don't believe in you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:49:58 2013 No.5576755 File: 256 KB, 630x420, 0211_horsemeat_630x420[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If evolution isn't true, then how did the horsemeat get into the beef lasagne?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 11:51:16 2013 No.5576762 >>5575719 >belief is not science related Then you proceed to tell him >>>/lit/ truestory.jpg thankmelater.exe

Anonymous Sat Mar 2 12:15:29 2013 No.5576806

>>5575760
>>5575916

Now there are muslims who try to say that evolution is in the qu'ran. Based on a few phrases or one phrase actually. Some people will cling on to anything to keep their faith. Or maybe they're self-concious. I used to be a muslim till I found out it was all just a big circle-jerk with bullshit thrown in as lube.

>>	naturalist butthurt scavenger !!W3G3jdIwCDC Sat Mar 2 12:30:14 2013 No.5576852 >hurr i can't tolerate someone that has a different opinion than me jesus it's fukken sperglords like u that probably have internet arguments in real life also, obvious troll thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 14:56:01 2013 No.5577184 >>5576852 What are internet arguments?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 2 15:06:46 2013 No.5577212 >>5575719 you just accept they have no actually learned about in it in an unbiased way. they are blocked by their beliefs. don't say anything. who fucking cares. just don't let them tell you that you are wrong if they try to challenge you

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