The Universe

[Zieg No.5571660]

I have come to my conclusion on existence and i have found that my explanation is proven in everything we've ever learned.

Lets have a discussion on the universe, its finity, and on existence and how it can be proven

[Anonymous No.5571667]

Let's hear that explanation.

[Zieg No.5571678]

>>5571667
A theory that explains the universe and existence is one hard cookie to crack.

To explain you must answer me this.

can you define space/time?

[Anonymous No.5571689]

>>5571678
It's your explanation, bud.

[Anonymous No.5571692]

what the balls is this.

[Zieg No.5571695]

>>5571689
Yes, but for you to understand it we have to set an agreed upon basis upon which my theory is based.

Do you agree/disagree that space/time is infinite?

[Anonymous No.5571698]

ooh look, unwarranted self-importance

[Anonymous No.5571699]

>>5571695
Agree.

[Zieg No.5571713]

>>5571699
Simply because space time is infinite I can prove the big bang, or at least show even more supporting evidence of such an event.

With space time being infinite there is no beginning or end unless you give time a finite dimension. Humans have been able to define time based on their point of reference. We have given time an end because as of now all we can see is that an end is supported by all.evidence based on our point of reference, earth. The sun will die, a meteor will hit us, we may even destroy ourselves

[Anonymous No.5571725]

You are a massive egotistical faggot OP. You are not special and nobody cares about you or your namefagging delusions

[Zieg No.5571732]

>>5571725
why are you here?

I'm looking for intelligent discourse so i can understand my external environment in a new light.

Not for losers who bring others down just so they can feel as though they have made an impact. Save your words because they are wasted on me.

[Anonymous No.5571734]

>>5571713
>there is no beginning or end unless you give time a finite dimension
like how there is no beginning or end to the set of natural numbers unless you say it is finite

[Zieg No.5571748]

>>5571734
We as humans strive to define everything so we can grasp it in our own terms.As of now it seems that the idea of heat death is the final solution, we have given our universe a finite end because we believe that our universe is all that is. My explanation stems from the fact that our universe has a focal point, the Big Bang.

[Anonymous No.5571759]

hey op, show the statistics, your experimentation, 1000 people replicating your research, and a general acceptance in the scientific field before you start this maniacal bs train

[Zieg No.5571769]

>>5571759
All the research has already been done, and finished by humanity..I can glean my theory from everything we have already learned, I wouldn't be sharing it if i hadn't had back up to it.

My theory is that everything can be, will be, and is.

[Anonymous No.5571775]

>>5571769
plz go pseudo-intellectual faggot

or alternatively stop trolling

[Anonymous No.5571772]

>infinity?
>no start
>no end
=
no infinity
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.but
>infinity?
>is start
>no end

no end can be considered as adding O and 1 to the universe`s source.

source must be something atleast.

yes.infinity
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the other option is: negative infinity ( -1; -2; -3 etc), static infinity ( only 0, but the 0 is looping itself and repeating itself) and positive inifnity ( +1; +2 etc)
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infinity is infinite and no other explanation is needed. infinity in its essence posses the chance to be infinite in different ways.
wtf... are you stoopid or what?.

[Anonymous No.5571782]

>>5571775
this

[Zieg No.5571813]

>>5571772
why do you add a polarity to infinity? It is a term we've developed that im using to describe that if space and time is unending and has no start, then we can only determine as much as our environment has to give. If we look at the universe as the infinite yet finite space we've come to live in, we can see an end, If we look at the space that must exist outside our own universe, think of our universe of a grid with x,y,and z axis's, we can glean that there is space outside OUR universe, and that something must exist beyond. We can determine what may be beyond by looking at the forces acting in our own universe.

Imagine with me if you will our universe as we know it. Dark energy is pushing everything away from each other until we end up in the end, or as we describe it as heat death. Now by seeing that this is a force we have perceived to exist we must think like we always do, what can this explain? Well with the idea of infinite space time we can agree that a force that instead of pulling us apart, pushes everything together. This energy can be compared to gravity, however, we have seen no influence of a force pushing the entirety of our universe together because the dark energy is perhaps too powerful for the external force mentioned prior. When heat death occurs in our universe, there will be no energy because the universe cannot react without itself. That is the end. However that would mean that without the outward force, the opposite force can take control until another reaction occurs.
What if we can say the big bang is a result of all of the matter that exists within the bounds of the gravity like force being forced together and forced to react, creating whatever it creates which just so happens to be the universe. Like a star dying, gravity takes over and it explodes.

[Zieg No.5571823]

>>5571813
"""imagine our universe as a sphere on a 3 dimensional grid"""

[Anonymous No.5571830]

>>5571813

[Zieg No.5571835]

>>5571830
No?

Is there evidence that disproves this?
I would honestly value that input.

[Anonymous No.5571851]

>>5571835
>Is there evidence that disproves this?

It seems you don't understand how science works.

[Anonymous No.5571854]

>>5571813
Hold up.
I will explain in detail why our current conception of universe is misunderstood as 3d universe rather than 4d universe. Let me draw it for you. Why it is so and that it is the only explanation possible.

[Zieg No.5571853]

>>5571851
Im confused by your statement, I'm describing a theory, not fact.I want all information I can get.

[Anonymous No.5571863]

>>5571853
It's not a theory if there is no way of testing it.

You have effectively proposed something that is impossible to test and said "you can't disprove it." In the same way that religion is not science, this is not science.

[Anonymous No.5571866]

>>5571813
>>5571854
Deal?

captcha ingpspo powerful

[Zieg No.5571871]

>>5571866
if i understand correctly, yeah, please show me

[Zieg No.5571888]

>>5571863
>>5571863
however, religion can be explain. Religion started as a tool of explanation. Religion is primative science.

[Anonymous No.5571891]

Talking dramatically is the same as being wise, right?

[Zieg No.5571894]

>>5571891
To be honest, i wish i could find easier words to describe what i speak of. I hate coming off as pompous or egotistical just because of the words i choose.

[Zieg No.5571924]

>>5571888
Better stated, modern day religion is the result of what we learned from believing in an omniscient being. We used an omniscient being to explain everything. Its simply the product of scientific intrigue.

[Anonymous No.5571938]

>>5571866
in the 2nd image. We would see a 3d world. The x,y,z axis. And the default rgb colors. If we would be able to percieve only those axis we would only see Squares and triangles because of the way how light enters and exits eye and other objects. But we are able to percieve spheres as well. Only the 1. image is able to project a sphere when spinned and thus comes possible the illusion of a round ball. But if you spin the 2nd image - it would end up being a square only illusion.
hence... we are mislead about what is dimensions.
It all comes down density of light itself.
If there would exit only 1 color that in time would turn red and after some more time it would become blue and then green. Thus making waves and "existing itself'. Think of it - there is no absolute black color. It would be infinitly dark. But not black as ''total black-out' ever.

[Anonymous No.5571946]

The addition of 4th dimension, an second projection of first dimension but in different plane. And making possible for term "curve; circle, sphere' to have a meaning in a visual way.
Our eye percieves a tiny fraction of the total ammount of light that is around us. Kinda funny..

[Zieg No.5571948]

>>5571938
I'm unsure why this applies. Forgive my ignorance.

[Anonymous No.5571952]

>>5571938
Think of it as prime number in math. Like, prime figures in geometry.

[Anonymous No.5571954]

>>5571813
>However that would mean that without the outward force, the opposite force can take control until another reaction occurs.
What if we can say the big bang is a result of all of the matter that exists within the bounds of the gravity like force being forced together and forced to react, creating whatever it creates which just so happens to be the universe. Like a star dying, gravity takes over and it explodes.

Sorry what?

OP you remind me of my friends and I back when we were in middle school. We'd walk down to the local coffee shop, get some cups of joe, and talk about this stuff. Hypothesize over ideas like a Hawkings-Hartle sort of scenario or the multiverse and its philosophical implications (that every possible scenario could play out given enough time).

It's fun.

So, I'll listen to what you have to say with interest. I'm always encouraged by curious young minds doing this.

But you need to understand that the concepts we value in science, when you cut down to it, are a matter of evidence and induction rather than the course of hypothesis and deduction you're taking. Not all hypothetical scenarios are wrong. Most certainly are, but not all are. However, in order to make sense of them you must offer evidence to support your case otherwise you might be building a valid argument (or seemingly valid argument) on unsound premises.

Does this make sense?

For instance: What is the "inward force" you are describing following heat death? Gravity is a property of mass, right? Heat death is an ending scenario here: mass itself will eventually succumb to entropy.

[Anonymous No.5571969]

>>5571954
When I use the terms "valid" and "sound/unsound" they have very specific meanings.

"Valid" arguments can be false if they are unsound.

Sound arguments can be false if they are invalid (a formal fallacy, if my memory serves).

[Anonymous No.5571972]

OP is giant faglord and likes big cocks.
Go smoke more Deew and pretend you know things.

[Zieg No.5571987]

>>5571954
Did we not come to the agreement that space time is infinite? Can we not determine that through the entirety of human existence we have always discovered that there is more than we knew? Can that fact be denied? The past has proven that we are always learning more about our external environment and acting upon that knowledge. I'm just proposing an idea, please tell me im wrong or that im forgetting something because then the idea can evolve.

[Anonymous No.5571991]

op

[Zieg No.5571996]

>>5571987
Take this idea:
"Every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction."

I based my theory of a force that acts as the opposite of dark energy. A force we do not yet know of but can exist because the information i have learned tells me that it is a viable option.

[Anonymous No.5572003]

op irl

[medfag !BqcQeeA4HA No.5572007]

>>5571987
>Did we not come to the agreement that space time is infinite?
>Can we not determine that through the entirety of human existence we have always discovered that there is more than we knew?
>Can that fact be denied?

Nobody is denying these facts

And, I'm not here to troll you. I think minds like yours are the sort that eventually mature into fantastic scientists when they apply themselves to the rigors of education.

Your idea is fun to think about, but the premises you have currently described, as have been pointed out by myself (regarding heat death) and the guy who helped explained a 4 dimensional universe, are unsound.

>>5571996
That's a law of motion.

there is not, insofar as we know, an "equal but opposite" reaction to entropy degradation or gravitation (except Fn, but that's a property of two solid objects on a surface that gravity is acting on).

There is no "opposite" force to dark energy which, in itself, is not a force

[Zieg No.5572010]

>>5572007
Perfect. Thank you for clearing up my ignorance.

Why is Dark energy not a force?

[Zieg No.5572029]

>>5572010
I have a better statement.

Einstein proposed the idea of a cyclic model of the universe. Adding a force that affects the universe externally one its life ends brings a possible solution the the idea of the universe being cyclic.

[Zieg No.5572038]

sadly ill be back /sci/. Back to expand my knowledge and to argue and speculate the universe.

[Anonymous No.5572151]

>>5572007
Need more people like you on sci. I don't know why it's so demonized around here to try and further understand scientific concepts, even if it does come from a place of ignorance. You would think all of the high and mighty scientists and mathematicians on this board would be happy that the laymen is taking interest in what they do.

[Anonymous No.5572152]

Here is an hypothesis for you.
Lets say that the content of the universe is infinite in regards to energy and space, but obviously there is more space than energy.
Then let us say that due to the infinite nature of both, there is a constant force of gravity throughout the universe slowing down the expansion of space (nearly) uniformly due to its completely distributed nature. Space wants to expand at an infinite speed but is hindered by the semi evenly distributed energy condensed into matter due to the nature of matter having gravity which affects space. If there was no matter due to heat death, and therefor no gravity, space could expand at its desired pace. This would of course mean that over time, the rate of expansion of space would increase as matter decreased. Eventually, once space begins nearing this "second teir" of infiniteness it will once again start producing and infinite amount of matter/energy due to vacuum energy and matter/antimatter asymmetry. Since there is instantly infinite more space, there is suddenly infinite more matter at the new scale of space, hence a cyclical universe. This is of course only a very confined view of a "local" universe at play and certainly doesn't pertain to all that MIGHT exist, but I believe it feeds in to the original post in an interesting way.

[Zieg No.5572434]

>>5572152
A grand hypothesis i must say

[Zieg No.5572451]

>>5572151
I agree. Why do people on teh 4chans attack others with idea that the other is being ignorant or haughty?