/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.5412589]

Hello /sci/ I have this ridiculous idea. Bear with me its rather difficult to explain.
What if we invent a new language that allow us to communicate way faster than any other language. For example, we could shorten 'I want that cheeseburger.' to lets say ' adfvjn'? What I think I'm trying to say is that we can increase the amount of information stored per word, we could really increase speed of relaying information.
More importantly, I think that allocating more information per word would help to shorten our speed of processing information in our brain. Like we would be able to form a conclusion faster than if we were to use lets say English.
What do you think /sci/?

[Anonymous No.5412604]

Language doesn't work like that. If you try and bunch in all this information in to one syllable, it's gonna be near impossible to distinguish one phrase from another.

Take a linguistics class for christs sake. Or watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-B_ONJIEcE

[Anonymous No.5412625]

You mean like in "1984"?

[Anonymous No.5412626]

>>>/lit/

[Anonymous No.5412650]

>>5412589
(Causal) Japanese is already like that. You can compress shit endlessly

Tabenakutewaikimasen
Tabenakutewaikenee
Tabenakutewaikan
Tabenakuchaikan
Tabenakyaikan
Tabenyaikan
Tabenyakan
Tabenya
Tabya

All mean the same thing

Also a massive pain in the ass to figure out what the fuck people are saying

[Anonymous No.5412668]

>>5412650
I don't think those last two mean the same thing.

[Anonymous No.5412688]

>>5412650
>>5412668
I'm pretty sure most of those are just wrong. Unless it's all from weird dialects or something.

[Anonymous No.5412697]

>>5412650
>sorry for bad engrish
>i am japane
>konya how so tabya?

[Anonymous No.5412705]

If we could theoretically manage to put a language into such short terms then we would be a much smarter species. It would make things easily memorized thus enabling us to retain more information within a small period of time,thus giving us more time to use our knowledge.

[Anonymous No.5412707]

>>5412626
This is more so the study of psychology, less involved in literature.

[Anonymous No.5412709]

>>5412705
Having words for more abstract ideas plays a much larger part in that then the length of words.

It doesn't matter if your words for "feeling", "sad", etc are short if what you want to express is "melancholy"

[Anonymous No.5412717]

>>5412688
I fucked typing up the first one
TabenakutewaikEmasen 食べなくてはいけません
食べなくてはいけない
食べなくてはいけねえ
食べなくてはいかん
食べなくちゃいかん
食べなきゃいかん
食べにゃいかん
食べにゃかん
食べにゃ
食びゃ

>captcha
ghermit Nihon

[Anonymous No.5412722]

>>5412717
Yes, but beyond that, I've never seen the majority of those.

The fact that you didn't put 食べなきゃ (probably more common than anything you listed) doesn't help your case.

[Anonymous No.5412723]

>>5412705

Take a linguistics class you god damn retard. Language doesn't work and isn't born like this.

[Anonymous No.5412724]

>>5412589
It is called acronyms and abbreviations. This has been recognized since ages and is widely used in government and industry.

[Anonymous No.5412727]

>>5412724
In other words, short hand.

[Anonymous No.5412737]

Think about it logically. 0.1 is less precise than 0.1023, but they both accurately describe something.

"I want hot tea" and "I would enjoy an 8oz ceramic mug of 40 degree chamomile tea" are both accurate, but one is more precise. If we came up with a different word every time we wanted to be both accurate and precise we would never be able to learn an entire language in our lifetime, and communication would fall apart.

[Anonymous No.5412750]

>>5412722
I was going "stepwise" showing different partial contractions. I wasn't aiming for the common intermediate ones. I know stopping at kya is the most common, nya is usually too childish/cutesy, and bya is very rare unless they're actively trying to fuck with you.

[Anonymous No.5412751]

On an only slightly related note:

So, the Werner-Hopf hypothesis or whatever it's called. That the extent of our thinking is determined by the available language to describe the world?
Well, in a similar way to the op, I was thinking that if a "continuous" language were developed, our cognitive ability would be much more precise.
I don't know the correct terminology for this. But in essence, current languages are like the integers: we do not have words whose meanings are arbitrarily "close" to other words. Perhaps "continuous" is not the right word, because we could acheive this property with something analogous to the rational numbers.
For example, the correct term for my emotions right now might be at a "distance" ratio of 7:5:3:4 of happy, sad, angry, and jealous right now, in terms of meaning. But even if we were to create a new term for this word, we would not be able to account for all other ratios, and thus not be able to describe the potential reality of the world in its entirety.

[Anonymous No.5412763]

>>5412750
The point was that you just made up half of those. And using words you made up doesn't make a good argument for the characteristics of a language.

[Anonymous No.5412767]

>>5412751
People do make up new words though. It's just that people, English teachers, look down upon and discourage it. People in rural arias make up words all the time, but it's seen as ignorance.

[Anonymous No.5412771]

>>5412767
*area

sorry it's 2 am.

[Anonymous No.5412775]

>>5412707
>psychology

>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.5412789]

>>5412775

Typical ignorant /sci/ user. I'm glad that not all /sci/ posters are this autistic. Proven by the thread yesterday

[Anonymous No.5412800]

>>5412763
>made up
There's nothing made up on that list

>いけません->いけない short form
>ない->ねえ common (vulgar) speech
>いけない->いかん common substitution
>ては->ちゃ common way of saying tewa
>なくちゃ->なきゃ common contraction
>なきゃ->にゃ valid contraction that's used occasionally
>いかん->かん common practice to drop いs where ever you can
>べにゃ->びゃ rare but valid

[Anonymous No.5412801]

>>5412767
no, it wouldn't be enough to simply make up new words. You would still have a discrete vocabulary where words do not exist which are arbitrarily close to other words.

[Anonymous No.5412808]

>>5412800
>なきゃ->にゃ valid contraction that's used occasionally
>いかん->かん common practice to drop いs where ever you can
>べにゃ->びゃ rare but valid
Provide examples. Particularly the last one. Preferably in speech that is standard enough that it doesn't seem its just a single author making up contractions to make a character distinctive.

[Anonymous No.5412816]

>>5412808
>Provide examples.
https://www.google.com/search?q=食べにゃ#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q="食べにゃ"&oq="食べにゃ"
https://www.google.com/search?q=食びゃ#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q="食びゃ"&oq="食びゃ"

[Anonymous No.5412819]

>>5412625
fuck, ninja'd

[Anonymous No.5412821]

>>5412789
my face when I'm that autistic

[Anonymous No.5412823]

>>5412816
this is how you win an argument. good work, sir

[Anonymous No.5412825]

>>5412816
The majority of results for >食べにゃ are people saying things like 食べにゃい, doing cat-speak

And nothing in 食びゃ seems relavent. A couple links on the first page describe usages in obscure as fuck 下北弁 which are completely different from what you described.

[Anonymous No.5412830]

>>5412825
Give up, you clearly lost.

[Anonymous No.5412837]

>>5412825
食べにゃ is supposed to come off as cutesy/childish and you would see it more often spoken then written

[Anonymous No.5412838]

>>5412830
I guess failing to convince an idiot of their stupidity could be considered losing ;_; I'll stop.

[Anonymous No.5412840]

>>5412589
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loglan

[Anonymous No.5412873]

>>5412589
I don't find it ridiculous. If you're so inclined why don't you just write your own language then

[Anonymous No.5412954]

I see no value in ordering one's mind after language at all.

Aside from being immensely inefficient, the structure of language itself creates hilarious pitfalls in logic and reasoning.

Communication, I think, is not something that necessitates expediency.

I'd be inclined to argue in the opposite direction. Impatience is one of the greatest barriers to understanding. We are always in a rush, and what we say is rarely what we mean or wish.

[Anonymous No.5413006]

>>5412775
sending someone to /x/
>any year
>any board

[Anonymous No.5413021]

If you ask me, I would say either Chinese or Korean would be most suited to your needs. Chinese uses set symbols, while Korean can be extremely compact because about two to three syllables can be compacted into one symbol.

[Anonymous No.5413042]

>>5413021

To prove my point, let's use your example:

I want that cheeseburger.
我想,起司汉堡。 (Simplified Chinese)
나는 치즈 버거 싶습니다. (Korean)

Depending how you want to look at it, the Chinese and Korean versions are typed with 10 characters or less, whereas the English phrase uses 21 characters, not including spaces and the punctuation.

Now if you were speaking though, the amount of syllables you might use to speak may differ in each language. According to Google Translate, the English and Chinese versions of the phrase are the same amount of spoken syllables while the Korean version uses more than both.