Those misconceptions that make you rage everytime

[Anonymous No.5404756]

>There is no molecular movement at absolute zero

[Anonymous No.5404759]

>things get sucked into black holes

[Anonymous No.5404763]

>The universe expands outwards faster than light.

[Anonymous No.5404765]

>the theory of (macro)evolution is correct

[Anonymous No.5404770]

>We change the world just by observing it!

[Anonymous No.5404771]

[Anonymous No.5404777]

>biology is a science

[Anonymous No.5404778]

> real numbers are real and imaginary numbers aren't

[Anonymous No.5404779]

>>5404756

can you explain what exactly would occur?

[Anonymous No.5404780]

>Cable Guy was actually a good comedy, just misunderstood and way ahead of its time

[Anonymous No.5404782]

>/sci/ is the most intelligent board

[Anonymous No.5404785]

>>5404779
I don't know that much about the exteme physics involved.

However, it doesn't take a double Ph.D to know that quantum oscillators have zero-point energy

[Anonymous No.5404787]

>>5404782
>saging a science thread

Aw, you mad it isn't another race IQ of tfw no gf thread?

[Anonymous No.5404789]

>>5404756
But in Bohmian mechanics, there is no molecular movement at absolute zero.

[Anonymous No.5404791]

>.999... = 1

[Anonymous No.5404792]

Not really a misconception, but when people refer to black or even just tanned people as 'more colored' than paler people.

[Anonymous No.5404807]

>>5404791

[Anonymous No.5404810]

>>5404789
But that isn't reality.

Helium is still a liquid at absolute zero

[Anonymous No.5404815]

>>5404807
You didn't sage

[Anonymous No.5404821]

>>5404756
>>5404810
If molecules' motion is directly influenced by its temperature, and the lower the temperature the less movement a particle has, then there most be a temperature when they stop moving entirely; ie: absolute zero

[Anonymous No.5404823]

>Sincere /sci/entists in charge of /sci/.

[Anonymous No.5404825]

>>5404815
that's true. while i wanted to post the picture to respond to that single post, i did not want to sage the thread, which i find interested, and am enjoying reading.

on topic:
>people that think saging will somehow kick a thread to the bottom of the list, when other people are posting normally at the same time.
(not saying this is you, just a coincidence)

[Anonymous No.5404827]

>>5404765
Care to explain?

[Anonymous No.5404834]

>there is no such thing as negative kelvins

[Anonymous No.5404840]

doesnt this have to do with the uncertainty principle

if there was no movement at absolute 0 then we would know where the molecules are and that they arent moving so it would violate the uncertainty principle

correct me if im wrong

[Anonymous No.5404845]

>>5404810

How do you know? Absolute zero has never been observed. Helium could be a solid, anywhere between 0K-4K

[Anonymous No.5404856]

>>5404840
That is true.

But you can also solve the schrodinger equation for an anharmonic oscillator and see that the lowest energy state is still non-zero energy

[Anonymous No.5404860]

>>5404845
>you haven't seen it therefor it is allowed to violate like every fundamental physical principle

I guess you are going to tell me Jesus walked on water also

[Anonymous No.5404861]

>>5404763
>>5404759
I don't understand why some of these are wrong.

[Anonymous No.5404867]

I hate reading these threads because it's always trolls trolling trolls, and I'm not smart enough to tell which are which. :(

[Anonymous No.5404870]

>>5404867

Hopefully it will motivate you to look into it and see which ones are the truth.

[Anonymous No.5404875]

>>5404870
No, not really. I have too much of /sci/ threads archived for research to let this one pile up also.

[Anonymous No.5404881]

>>5404861

its just people trolling

[Anonymous No.5404886]

>>5404840
>particle not moving at all at absolute zero
>"observe" it, which causes a miniscule energy transfer
>particle is now moving, no longer at absolute zero

So you still have no clue where it is.

[Anonymous No.5404899]

>the Riemann zeta function has nontrivial zeros with real part > 1/2

[Anonymous No.5404914]

>>5404845

Zero-point energy, brah.

[Anonymous No.5404950]

>>5404881
>its just people trolling

No it isn't, those are both wrong. Black holes don't "suck" things, they just have gravity like anything else. And the universe doesn't expand "outwards" because there is no outwards, and it doesn't have a speed.

[Anonymous No.5404980]

>>5404860
Ice fishing

[Anonymous No.5404983]

>>5404950
>it doesn't have a speed.

either fucking moron or subtly trolling

not sure which

[Anonymous No.5405006]

I actually raged when my chem teacher in HS said the same thing OP.

Not /sci/ but rage worthy

>HS economics class
>"Can anybody describe Socialism?"
>raise hand
>Say verbatim, "A form of government where the workers have equal and direct ownership of the means of production."
>"Sorry anon, I think you have that confused with Capitalism. Socialism is when the government owns everything, and decides who gets what with no regard to peoples desires.
>Rage Hard on the inside
>never talk in that class again
>try to drop as many names/quotes/facts about economics in my papers as possible so that dumb slut might learn something about her class topic

[Anonymous No.5405010]

>>5405006
It's a little scary to read about marxist/socialist thought if you know anything about business. Businesses actually have incorporated a lot of marxist thinking into their practices.

[Anonymous No.5405016]

>>5404980
They walk on ice retard, not the water. Water is under the ice.

>HURR BOATS EXIST SO JESUS WALKED ON WATER

[Anonymous No.5405019]

>>5405010

>Businesses actually have incorporated a lot of marxist thinking into their practices.

like what? businesses are more like a dictatorship, the leaders make the orders and the people at the bottom follow them

[Anonymous No.5405021]

>>5405006
>>"Sorry anon, I think you have that confused with Capitalism. Socialism is when the government owns everything, and decides who gets what with no regard to peoples desires.
Wait, this is not.. true?

[Anonymous No.5405023]

>>5405006
Dude. Dude. Mine is worse. Our fucking textbook says Communism is always a dictatorship where the government owns everything and that Anarchism means that you don't own property.

[Anonymous No.5405027]

>>5405023
Did you honestly expect to learn anything true about the economy in The United "Fiscal Cliff" States of America?

[Anonymous No.5405032]

>>5405027
Not American. Swedish. I think we only got a shitty textbook really.

[Anonymous No.5405041]

>>5405023
Look at shit you learn in all your other classes.

In math class, you only cover maths up to stuff that is like 400 years old.

In science class, you learn completely wrong science (bohr model, macroevolution, no movement at absolute zero, you'd freeze to death in space)

In geography, you learn that most of africa is a desert

[Anonymous No.5405049]

>>5405041
>macroevolution
>freeze to death in space

no even subtle 0/10

[Anonymous No.5405052]

>>5404983
>either fucking moron or subtly trolling

Or: you don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.5405059]

>>5404983
Of course it doesn't have a speed! It has a rate.

Does gravity have a speed?

[Anonymous No.5405061]

>>5405010

>businesses have actually incorporated a lot of marxist thinking into their practices

Exactly. Thats why we need to be teaching it properly

[Anonymous No.5405062]

>>5405049
Do you actually believe that you would freeze to death in space?

>>5405052
I'm more interested in seeing why you think macroevolution is wrong.

[Anonymous No.5405063]

>>5404825
>>5404815
sage doesn't work when you post an image anyway

[Anonymous No.5405067]

>>5404983

So what's its speed, faggot?

[Anonymous No.5405069]

>>5405062
>Do you actually believe that you would freeze to death in space?

Do you actually believe outer space has an average temperature of 70 degrees Fahrenheit?

[Anonymous No.5405071]

>>5405049
You would be more likely to die from overheating in space.

There is very little air in which to act as a heat sink

[Anonymous No.5405075]

>>5405069
Do you know what a vacuum is?

[Anonymous No.5405082]

>>5405075
>inb4 "you'd explode in space immediately!"

[Anonymous No.5405085]

>>5405069
>doesn't know that human bodies generate fuck tons of heat
>doesn't know that without a heat sink, we'd burn up

[Anonymous No.5405086]

>>5405082
>using strawman arguments

[Anonymous No.5405087]

>>5405063

yes it does idiot thats just a common myth

[Anonymous No.5405089]

>>5405069

The only method of heat transfer in space is radiation, air is more of an immediate concern than freezing over some many many hours, or probably not at all if you're in view of the sun.

>>5404756

The definition of absolute zero is a perfect crystal with perfectly ordered atoms. Being such it cannot have movement, and it cannot experience time. Hence also why we can never reach it.

It's pretty obvious that everyone here is under age, in highschool and has never taken post secondary education to any degree.

[Anonymous No.5405090]

>>5405087
going to test it fucker

[Anonymous No.5405091]

http://cryptome.org/2012/12/deception-detect.htm

detecting online deception (i.e. how to spot trolls)

[Anonymous No.5405093]

>>5405090
>>5405089
god damn it this other guy posted at the exact same time
RESULTS: inconclusive

[Anonymous No.5405096]

>>5405059
Yes. Just like light has a speed.

[Anonymous No.5405102]

>>5404780
Fuck you, it was a very good comedy.

[Anonymous No.5405109]

>>5405085
wat

[Anonymous No.5405132]

>>5404770
This is the worst. It's because of that one fucking popsci documentary.

[Anonymous No.5405135]

>>5405006
I'm sorry to tell you but you're an idiot, I lived under socialism in the Eastern Bloc and the workers didn't have an equal share, big shots from the gov took all the money and yes, the gov does decide what you get paid, when the lights turn off or the heat.It seems you get your 'facts' from propaganda.

[Anonymous No.5405147]

>>5405135
But, under Socialism there can't be any big shots, or it's not Socialism!

[Anonymous No.5405177]

>>5405147
Everyone is equal under socialism, in theory. In reality, some are always more equal than the others.

[Anonymous No.5405183]

>>5405147
Do you know where the most lavish structures on earth are? Is it France, the US, maybe the UK...no, it's in Socialists countries.Places like Kim Jonh-Il's palace ( he needs a subway to travel through it, it's that fucking big ), or The House of the People in Romania that is still one the buildings with the greatest volume on Earth if you count it's secret levels as well, not to mention it's made out of marble and lavish as fuck.More than 90% of all it's rooms have never been occupied, they just build it for the fuck of it.When you have an entire pop as slave labor you can afford to do whatever you want.
The stuff you read in books is written by people who want a socialist gov because under it they will be part of the privileged.
Once you understand that socialism was just a sham to enslave people by the elites it becomes clear, it was never a valid economical system, just a way to acquire vast wealth.Read this book if you want to find out the truth.

[Anonymous No.5405186]

>>5405135

not really socialism then

even in china they arent really communist, its more or less capitalist if you just look at the people at the top they are all filthy rich

[Anonymous No.5405187]

>>5405177
>Socialism strives for equality.
>Capitalism assumes equality.
>yfw for the very first time.

[Anonymous No.5405193]

>>5405187
Can you explain how capitalism assumes equality?

[Anonymous No.5405227]

>>5405193
Read the works of the Adam Smith and you will see that the father of capitalism predicated his economic theory on an equal and just social society. That is something mainstream textbooks and modern economic evangelists casually brush over and willfully omit.

[Anonymous No.5405225]

>>5405132
It's true, though.

[Anonymous No.5405239]

>>5405227
So... *can* you explain how capitalism assumes equality?

[Anonymous No.5405244]

>>5405227

Is it possible that by assuming equality it can be produced? The fact that the American poor live in more comfort than the average millionare only 30 years ago seems to indicate this.

[Anonymous No.5405249]

>>5405239
I can ignore your shitposts.

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.5405252]

>>5405244
>The fact that the American poor live in more comfort than the average millionare only 30 years ago seems to indicate this.
That's complete bullshit.

[Anonymous No.5405254]

>>5405249
I take that as a No.

[Anonymous No.5405269]

>>5404780
That scene in the medieval restaurant

[Anonymous No.5405276]

>>5405252

Statistically speaking almost anyone who is aware of a nearby library with computer accesses has more resources at his disposal than than the wealthiest of men even going only as far back as the seventies.

This doesn't even touch on the fact that more than half of them have cars, homes, and televisions.

[Anonymous No.5405281]

>>5404759
Yes they do.

>>5404765
It is.

>>5404770
We do.

>>5404777
You got me here.

[Anonymous No.5405285]

>>5405023
>Mine is worse. Our fucking textbook says Communism is always a dictatorship where the government owns everything

It is. Communism requires the state to have control over the entire economy. Stop raging like a little hipster, faggot. You're not special and misunderstood and edgy. You're fucking wrong and stupid.

[Anonymous No.5405313]

>falsifiability is a weakness in science
>all journals are equally rigorous
>>5404756
>There is no molecular movement at absolute zero
I actually had to argue with my 13rd grade (Europoor) physics teacher about that. I even provided sources. He still stuck with that misconception.
>>5405285
>Communism requires the state to have control over the entire economy.
No, it doesn't. No country in history has regarded itself as communist. Communism is only a theoretical concept and in it, there is no government. If you want to say socialism is always a dictatorship, I'm not the person to argue with that. But please don't call some other anon wrong and stupid when that's a great description of you judging from your posts ITT.

[Anonymous No.5405316]

>>5405023
That is Communism in practice.
>B-b-but my theory will never be fully achieved so it can't be wrong!

[Anonymous No.5405323]

-there is one scientific method or that a majority of scientists even utilize it
-backlash at creationists causing people to perpetuate the falsehood that a theory is a fact when in reality it's a tentative, unifying description of what is known at any given time. lots of theories have been debunked like phlogiston while some theories can't simply be divided into absolute truth like color theory. even disregarding non-scientific theories, history shows that they're not hard-set facts.
-big bang was an explosion
-evolution is one phenomena instead of an umbrella term for many
-gravity is caused by mass (this is some 1800's shit). it's caused by energy and momentum. If gravity was only caused by mass, light wouldn't be bent by gravity

[Anonymous No.5405332]

>god exists

[Anonymous No.5405335]

>>5405316
>>B-b-but my theory will never be fully achieved so it can't be wrong!
What do think are the odds you're arguing with a communist? The thing is, whether something is feasible or not, you can't just make claims about it that are antithetical to its premise. I agree communism will never be achieved and that's why it's wrong. But that isn't enough for you. Although communism is basically dead intellectually, you still feel the need to be dishonest in its representation. Classy.

[Anonymous No.5405336]

>>>"The Great Wall of China can be seen from space"

Seriously, I have never understood how anyone who's thought about this for more than a second could possibly believe it,

[Anonymous No.5405339]

- "phenomena" is singular

[Anonymous No.5405349]

>>5405135
No. Socialism is what he said, your country just doesn't apply it correctly.
My country also claimed to be socialist while it wasn't.

It is EXTREMELLY hard to live in a true socialist society today, because either America or any other member of the Capitalism Defense Force will try to interfere.

[Anonymous No.5405354]

>>5405323
But... energy = mass, no?
Isn't it just the warping of space time by mass?

[Anonymous No.5405360]

>>5405249
>trying to tell others something is true when you don't understand it yourself

[Anonymous No.5405363]

>>5405227
>thinking Adam Smith can not be wrong just because he is one of the fathers of Economy.

He is outdated and has been proven wrong many times. He is worth studying mainly for historic purposes.

[Anonymous No.5405368]

>>5405336

[Anonymous No.5405457]

>>5405183
I'm not a socialist. I was being satirical. Though theoretically it's still true.

[Anonymous No.5405544]

>>5405354
>energy = mass

No. E=mc^2 is only for things at rest.

>As is noted above, two different definitions of mass have been used in special relativity, and also two different definitions of energy. The simple equation E = mc2 is not generally applicable to all these types of mass and energy, except in the special case that the total additive momentum is zero for the system under consideration.

[Anonymous No.5405600]

>>5405019
the NFL

regardless of money and shit all teams split it evenly, the worst teams get first pick of better players, all teams have same salary cap ect

in turn this makes the league more competitive which means more fans which means more money overall for everyone

compared to something like MLB which is struggling at the moment its genius really

[Anonymous No.5405620]

>blackholes
>FTL
>universe expansion
>absolute zero
>copenhagen interpretation

>no one in this thread has any idea what they are talking about, making misconception impossible because they literally have no conception of the topics they parrot forward

[Anonymous No.5405736]

>>5405059
>Does gravity have a speed?
Well, according to SR and GR it should be the same as the speed of light.

[Anonymous No.5405740]

>>5405082
The point is that "temperature" is an irrelevant concept in a vacuum, you halfwit.

[Anonymous No.5405814]

>>5404756
>There is no molecular movement at absolute zero
>>5405323
>gravity is caused by mass (this is some 1800's shit)

http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

[Anonymous No.5406862]

>>5405349
No it isn't, go read the book I posted and you'll understand that socialism is just a way for the very rich to become even more rich, so basically it's a form of perverted capitalism where only those in power can accumulate capital while the pop works as slaves under the illusion that they are all equal and nobody makes more money than the other, which even that is a lie.
You would think /sci/ out of all the boards would understand the diff between empirical evidence and propaganda, after all every time someone posts a religion thread here you all point out how God doesn't exist just because it says so in the Bible but somehow you believe socialism exists simply because it says so in books written by either by disillusioned individuals or PR agents hired by rich elites.
IMO socialism shouldn't be studied as an economical system, it should be studied as a psychological method to make people submissive.If you think about it, in any society there are goods and currency is used to represent value and since currency exists someone must have it all and it just so happens that in every socialistic country it's the state that holds all the 'cards' while telling the pop that they're just holding all that money for them, but that's bullshit of course, if you go in front of your gov and ask for your share they'll just shoot you.Basically in socialism there's one big corporation, the state, and those who run the state accumulate the capital while the rest of the losers work for peanuts.Like I said, socialism is a psychological mechanism.

[Anonymous No.5406875]

>>5405814
>"John, when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong"

There's not really much evidence that people honestly thought the world was flat. Surely not since the dawn of civilization. The myth/urban legend that says otherwise originated much later. People thinking everyone in the ancient world thought the world was flat is a peeve of mine.

Just because it's Asimov, don't assume it's correct.

[Anonymous No.5406912]

>>5406862

Unfortunately, you are neither the Oxford or Webster dictionary. You do not get to define words, or other people's theories.

Here is an example of a truly socialistic practice:

Say there is a company which has stock. All employees in the company own an equal amount of this stock. No outside shareholder owns more stock than any single employee.

Notice how what I DIDNT say was: the owner of the company assumes ownership of all profits, and pays salaries as he sees fit. Thats called Capitalism I believe

[Anonymous No.5406924]

>>5404785
So, you are annoyed because other people know different rules apply to atoms than to quantum particles?

[Anonymous No.5406927]

>>5404914

You're replying to a guy that (incorrectly) claims 0K hasn't been achieved, with a theoretical?

[Anonymous No.5406934]

>>5405027
>Did you honestly expect to learn anything true about the economy in The United "Fiscal Cliff" States of America?


The recent 'fiscal cliff' of the USA doesn't reveal any misunderstanding in economy.

It reflects a, let's say 'flexible' attitude about taxation.
That is a political process.

It's also quite unfair to criticize just the USA handling of their economy when several shortsighted EU members have so drastically destroyed their own economies with stupid arrangements.

[Anonymous No.5406938]

>>5404765

oh he mad

>creationists are faggots

>>5404770

>implying that a person doesnt act differently when they know they are being watched
>implying there arent paralells in atomic physics

>>5404777

it is a science, bitch

>>5404810

correction, helium solidifies at 1-2 degrees above absolute zero.

that however doesnt change the fact that zero point energy exists within the system even when all elementary (particle) movement has ceased

>>5405006

bring a gun to school and shoot the bitch

bitch doesnt know what capitalism is, or socialism, and she seems to think that socialism is communism

and she is probably too arrogant to ever learn the error of her ways

>bullets are the only cure

>>5405021

no, its not. capitalism is where money is king and those without it receive nothing and must rely on charity from others.
socialism is where the government uses some of its tax money to buffer the poor and unemployed from destitution so they can more easily get back into the workforce when they are made redundant.
communism is where the government owns everything.

>>5405023

anarchism means you own whatever you are able to protect yourself. "finders keepers" in societal form.

>>5405041

macroevolution is a word used by faggots who dont understand that microevolution and macroevolution are the exact same thing, the only difference is the timespan involved. there is only "evolution"

if you cant understand it, you have no bussiness in /sci/, get the fuck out.

>>5405062
>I'm more interested in seeing why you think macroevolution is wrong.

translation:

>i'm more interested in feeding a troll

FIX'D

>>5405069

ever heard of a vaccum flask? that a vaccum is an insulator that prevents heat transfer?

ever heard that spacesuits used in the moon landings actually had to use evaporative cooling to prevent the astronauts from overheating?

fucking idiot

>>5405135

correction: you lived under CORRUPT socialism. australia, canada and the UK are all socialist

[BurnedHard_Reimann !umZm8xhWf6 No.5406944]

>>5404807
>A simple proof by induction
>induction

>implying that's a valid proof

2/10, if only for spotting a troll.

[BurnedHard_Reimann !umZm8xhWf6 No.5406947]

>>5404899
My namesake is turning over in his grave.

[Anonymous No.5406956]

>>5405177

everyone is equal under COMMUNISM YOU STUPID FUCK

a socialist government is a welfare state. nothing more.

>>5405239

by assuming that the job market is not discriminatory in nature and that there are enough jobs to go around.

>>5405244

nope. americans are actually poorer than they were 30 years ago. just check the ratio of income to median house price.

>>5405354

yes, but mass is energy, and photons have only energy, no mass, yet they warp spacetime

>>5406862

that is CORRUPT SOCIALISM YOU STUPID FAGGOT

non corrupt socialism is as rare as hens teeth, same as non corrupt communism. the fact that nobody is capable of implementing such ideas does not make those ideas inherently wrong. it just makes them unacheivable.

>>5406912

this guy gets it

>>5406924

>implying that atoms arent affected by quantum mechanics
>implying that buckyballs (C-60 mollecules) havent been successfully used in double slit experiments, proving that they too are subject to the laws of quantum mechanics

[Anonymous No.5406966]

>>5404785
In general, there will be zero molecular motion at 0K. There are theorized "time crystals" (ridiculous name) that have repetitive zero point motion, but those are the exception.

Also, those in glass houses etc

[Anonymous No.5406968]

>But gravity is just a theory and hasn't been proven to exist. This means god exists.
Every fucking time.

[Anonymous No.5406971]

>>5404845
>>5404856
Stop repeatedly dropping the term "zero point energy" until you've actually learned what it entails. It's pretty clear you've (at most) only taken undergrad QM1

[Anonymous No.5406981]

>>5406938
>helium solidifies at 1-2 degrees above absolute zero

That is true only if you apply tremendous pressure. Under it's own vapor pressure, it won't solidify. It will be a liquid down to arbitrarily low temperatures (a few milliKelvin).

Look at the phase diagram, Jesus.

[Anonymous No.5406997]

>>5406956
>that's not socialism/communism!

sounds like one of those things that doesn't correspond to reality, if it can't simply be implemented. remember, this is supposed to be a system for organizing real life people. if it doesn't organize them, it isn't a system.

well, it does organize them. lots of countries have tried really hard to imitate marxist theory, and they all end up as tyranny. it's a fancy way of following the usual cycle of government:

oligopoly-> anarchy -> tyranny -> repeat

the US revolutionized government by incorporating this cycle into the separation of powers. the courts are the aristocrats, congress is the people, and the president is the strong man.

marx had no consideration for the waves in political thought, or how people react to different forms of government. the odds of a socialist government staying in place for very long are about the same as flipping a coin and landing on the edge.

[Anonymous No.5407003]

>>5406997
>The autism it burns

[Anonymous No.5407008]

>>5407003
autism,: internet slang for shy or careful

[Anonymous No.5407014]

>>5404950
>Black holes don't "suck" things, they just have gravity like anything else.
But gravity is an attractive force and by its very nature produces a suction effect and since black holes are far more massive and dense than other things, they tend to divert the normal flow of things and directly attract and only attract them save a miniscule amount of radiation.

[Anonymous No.5407041]

>>5406956

No one said anyone was equal under socialism you illiterate. In the scenario, they just owned an equal portion of their companies stock.

[Anonymous No.5407064]

>>5406938
Muh Australia is socialist? Could you explain how?

>>5406956
Photons warp spacetime?
So... is one able to say both mass and energy warp space time in that case?

[Anonymous No.5407083]

>Dopamine is the pleasure chemical

As a neuroscientist this ones pisses me off way more than "we only use 10% of our brains" because at least most people know that one's fucking wrong.

[Anonymous No.5407133]

>>5406912
I didn't define any words you just don't have even the basic knowledge of what socialism is, to prove this I only have to point to your example with the company and the stock.Socialism only functions inside a society that's ruled by a public institution, a company is private.There's a diff between private and public law just go ask a lawfag if you don't believe me.Private law is only possible when you have an authority that enforces it, that's why you learn in law school that private agreements between people have power because the law says so.
Your example is wrong on another point as well, in socialism the workers have ownership of the means of production, not it's profits.
In order to understand this system you have to understand law and psychology as much as economics, you'll also have to look back in history to read about the people that started this system and why.Socialism was first created in the US as a way to make the pop work for the elites for nothing.They tried to implement it but they failed due to opposition so then they tried exporting to other countries, that's why the first country in the world with a socialistic constitution is Mexico not the USSR, that's also why before the USSR The Communist International used to hold it's meetings in western Europe, under the protection of the local elites who were financing them.
People don't understand socialism because they can't read the fine print, I've spent years of my life learning law and only after a while you can understand it.From a legal perspective if a society has only the ownership of the means of production but no rights to exercise them, decide what to do with them or even verify what the gov does with them, than the right doesn't exist.
You just don't understand this because you're uneducated, that's why it's always the poor and stupid who promote socialism, the moment they read equality they lose their shit and the little brain they have stops thinking.

[Anonymous No.5407150]

>>5407083

What is the pleasure chemical then?

[Anonymous No.5407152]

>>5407150
there's no pleasure chemical... there are just a few pleasure circuits, and they're metered by basically every chemical in your brain in one way or another

[Anonymous No.5407155]

>>5407133

You have been proven wrong several times. Read a book. Sorry that you grew up in whats actually called "State Capitalism"

[Anonymous No.5407163]

>>5404785
Isn't zero-point energy what Syndrome used in the incredibles?

[Anonymous No.5407165]

>>5407014
suction is the wrong word though

it gets the idea across but it also can create misconceptions

[Anonymous No.5407168]

>>5406927
0k hasn't been achieved

[Anonymous No.5407174]

>>5404834
There aren't

[Anonymous No.5407180]

>you can drown in lava

[Anonymous No.5407182]

>>5405740
No it isn't asshat

You'd still lose heat to (this is probably going to be the wrong word but) convection

[Anonymous No.5407211]

>>5405135
You are the idiot. Socialism is what Marx and Engels described in their theory. The definition of Socialism is: "An intermediate stage between Capitalism and Communism during which the Vanguard Party guides the people in transitioning from Capitalism to Communism." Communism is NOT to be confused with Socialism. There is no government in Communism. The Vanguard party is supposed to self-disassemble immediately after Communism has been achieved. The Eastern Bloc was not Communist, because they hadn't achieved a classless and stateless society. The more correct term to use when describing the Soviet Union would be Socialist. However they where not really socialist, because the Bolshevik Party leaders, being greedy and corrupt, did not adhere to the correct Socialist practices (equality, redistribution of wealth, etc) and there arose inequalities, famine, severe management issues and strict censorship.

tl;dr Communism has never been achieved and probably never will, because when people try it they get stuck in the stage of Socialism. That however is not because of faults in the theoretical description of Communism, but because of human selfishness.

[Anonymous No.5407212]

>>5407182
Not that guy, but you are wrong, and the things you are saying are stupid.

When hot particles are near cold particles, the hot particles get colder and the cold particles get hotter. That is what conduction and convection are - the transfer of heat between particles in contact/proximity.

Space is a vacuum. See where this is going? Vacuum's don't have a lot of particles, do they? The particles in space are very, very, very cold. But the particles in space are very, very, very spread apart. They are so spread apart that you don't touch enough of them for them to cool you down through convection.

If you don't touch cold things, they can't make you colder, so the fact that the things in space are cold doesn't fucking matter because you will not touch enough of those things.

[Anonymous No.5407223]

Oh! I got one!
Myth
>Libertarianism and libertarian ideology is a respected political/economic theory in America

Truth
Libertarians are the fashionable non-conformists of the right and cling to the tired, pedantic arguments of the same five or six kooks over the tens of thousands of other economists in the field who think their theories are outdated and mathematically imbecilic (Ludwig Von Mises explicitly argued that he didn't need to use math to justify his economic theories, only semantic rationalism a.k.a talking points... sound familiar?) . The misconception that it is popular in America comes from the fact that disenfranchised right-wing college-age males spend most of their free time bickering about it over the internet instead of, you know, actually going out and being a capitalist.

(economics is technically a science, right?)

[Anonymous No.5407224]

>>5404899
>implying it has trivial zeroes with real part > 1/2

[Anonymous No.5407237]

>/sci/ consists of something more than an effluent of uneducated pop sci pseudo-intellectual reddit kids and the 10 or so semi-decent folk who only come here because of a craving for the smell of shit

[Anonymous No.5407249]

>>5407212
>convention, conduction
You missed one. "Black body radiation".

[Anonymous No.5407251]

>>5407211
>>5407211
Slight correction: you can't force Communism over the span of a single legislative period. The transition from feudalism to capitalism was a gradual process that took many decades of social development and modern socialist theories reject Marx's assertion that there would be a final class war and insist that the transition from capitalism to socialism can be a peaceful, gradual, democratic action, while true communism is a transition that might not occur for centuries.

Also, the Soviet Union fell into chaos and tyranny for the same reason the French Revolution did: too many chefs in the kitchen pushing their pet ideology onto the government and bitterly opposing efforts to compromise, creating a politically useless governing apparatus. Within such a divided landscape, the strong man rises to the top and creates a totalitarian dictatorship in order to secure his seizure of total power. The Soviet Union was never a Socialism (and certainly wasn't a Communism), they just built a cult of personality around Karl Marx to draw attention away from the fact that they were a state-capitalism (a political system where the bourgeoisie, the Capital-owning class, has merged with the political class)

[Anonymous No.5407264]

>>5407251
You didn't actually contradict what I said, I was describing what is inherently wrong with socialism and why people don't understand it.My analysis was first of all from a legal perspective, since it's the law that says who owns what, this analysis is far more important than anything else because it's the law that defines the economical system not the either way around, than I talked about historical facts ( mentioning only some of them ) that prove why was socialism created in the first place, which again you didn't contradict and this leads us the psychological factor which again you didn't address.
I don't understand why you're quoting me.
>>5407211
Forget about it, you're to stupid to understand.Just keep believing what makes you feel better ok cupcake.

[Anonymous No.5407270]

>You perceive deformation on old church windows due to the material and its own weight

[Anonymous No.5407323]

>>5407174
yes, there are. Take a course in statistical mechanics

[Anonymous No.5407353]

>>5407174
a gas in which all the molecules are moving in the exact same direction has a negative temperature

[Anonymous No.5407359]

>>5404756
>>5404759
>>5404763
>>5404765
>>5404770
These are not misconceptions, they're misuses of scientific vocabulary. The concepts are well described in those examples, the words used to express those concepts are incorrect.

[Anonymous No.5407364]

>>5406956
>non corrupt socialism is as rare as hens teeth, same as non corrupt communism
you forgot to add non corrupt capitalism

[Anonymous No.5407413]

Why did this thread turn into /pol/ ?

[Anonymous No.5407424]

>>5404787
>sage is a downvote

[Anonymous No.5407476]

>>5407180

You "could" drown in lava. You are just more likely to burn up first.

>>5404759

Depends if I create the black hole on Earth or not. If I create it here and gravity sucks in some air creating a vacuum it is likely I will get "sucked" in due to the vacuum.

[Anonymous No.5407500]

>something about toilets flushing on different hemisphere
No, shut up, you don't know shit you babbling monkey.
Doesn't make me cringe but:
>There are literally electrical impulses traveling through your nerves
>Black holes eventually suck up everything around themselves
>homeopathy