/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.5355430]

Does /sci/ really believe that there are no differences between races?

How can you be so logical in all other fields, but just have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to race?

[Anonymous No.5355442]

>muh feelings
>muh egalitarianism

This pretty much sums up why most of /sci/ and in fact the world, denies racial differences, despite the obvious evidence suggesting otherwise.

[Anonymous No.5355457]

>>5355430
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.5355461]

>>5355430
I don't think anyone says that there are *no* differences, everyone can see the differences.

The point is that these differences don't really matter; any difference in intelligence is minimal, non-existant, or entirely due to environmental factors.

[Anonymous No.5355462]

>>5355457
thanks for proving >>5355442 right

[Anonymous No.5355467]

>>5355430
Why should I care?

[Anonymous No.5355475]

>>5355467
Because we're human beings dumbass,

[Anonymous No.5355473]

>>5355461
Hardly seems minimal when things can be so easily measured across racial lines, and Environmental factors can only influence so much, not to mention the obvious thought that their differences lead to their environment in the first place

[Anonymous No.5355477]

The fact that we seperate people by races just proves that they actually are in another category.

[Anonymous No.5355480]

>>5355475
How is this a reason? Explain please. Why should I give a fuck about "races"?

[Anonymous No.5355486]

>>5355480
Why should I give a fuck about cancer?

[Anonymous No.5355488]

>>5355486
Because cancer is a real problem, not a made up one.

[Anonymous No.5355489]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#Uniform_rearing_conditions

I think the table speaks for itself

[Anonymous No.5355490]

>>5355488
So races are made up... because you say so.

>/sci/

[Anonymous No.5355491]

>>5355488
> race not a problem
> 2012

[Anonymous No.5355495]

>>5355488
Actually, cancer is a made up problem, and race is a real one. Now what asshole?

[Anonymous No.5355496]

>>5355467
>Why should I care
>On a fucking science board
hahahah. That's like asking why should you care about the big bang? About evolution? Why Should I care about science?

[Anonymous No.5355497]

>>5355488
Black population increases, crime rate increases

Forced racial diversity is definitely a real problem.

[Anonymous No.5355494]

>>5355489
That's a table listing results of studies. Your point being what?

[Anonymous No.5355501]

>>5355490
Races may exist or not. It's just irrelevant. Like qualia. Does it have any consequences? No.

>>5355491
>you
>not an armchair-pseudophilosopher
Choose one.

[Anonymous No.5355502]

I think we can all agree black people are dumber and more violent on average.

No doubt due to their slightly different evolutionary needs in africa.

[Anonymous No.5355507]

There is obviously differences between black people, white people Hispanics etc.... That we can all agree on. However, that being said, I don't think that just because somebody is different means we have to reat them differently.

[Anonymous No.5355508]

>>5355461
>any difference in intelligence is minimal, non-existant
Black IQ is more than a full standard deviation below whites. That's hardly minimal.
These are just the facts and egalitarians can't argue with them, they just argue around them or make excuses ("white oppression") or just appeal to emotion ("that's what hitler thought")

[Anonymous No.5355509]

>>5355501
So if one race is quantifiably less intelligent and more criminal than one, due to inherent differences, it's irrelevant?

wut

[Anonymous No.5355513]

liberal scientists, liberal scientists everywhere
sage for cancer

[Anonymous No.5355515]

>>5355501
Evolution is irrelevant. No matter what we can't change or stop evolution. Does that mean we have to stop studying evolution?

[Anonymous No.5355516]

>>5355507
What's with the affirmative action then?

[Anonymous No.5355517]

>facts are racist
>muh opression
>muh environment

[Anonymous No.5355512]

>race egalitarians on /sci/

You can't be egalitarian and scientifically objective at once.

[Anonymous No.5355518]

>/sci/ in charge of not denying the basic principles of evolution

[Anonymous No.5355520]

>>5355515
Yes, anything else would be racist.

[Anonymous No.5355521]

>>5355495
>cancer is a made up problem
Are you le serious?

>>5355496
Why should I care about inane edgy pseudophilosophy questions that have no relevance? The concept of race has no explanatory value.

>>5355497
>crime rate increases
If that's the problem, then name it this way.

[Anonymous No.5355522]

>>5355516
>What's with the affirmative action then?
I don't know, ask someone who actually agrees with AA.

[Anonymous No.5355528]

If you knew how strongly people were manipulated by their environment you would know that almost all people have the ability to be extremely stupid and somewhat intelligent.

/thread

[Anonymous No.5355524]

>>5355507

Why shouldn't we treat them differently?

[Anonymous No.5355531]

>>5355516
No need to to treat them differently, unless they are white. Then it's suddenly socialy acceptable, and even encouraged.

[Anonymous No.5355532]

>>5355528
>what are averages

[Anonymous No.5355529]

>>5355524
>Why shouldn't we treat them differently?

Because that would be irrational and unjust.

[Anonymous No.5355534]

>>5355509
People on average are dumb and criminal. Your point being what?

>>5355515
Evolution has explantory power. Race doesn't.

[Anonymous No.5355538]

>>5355521
>Why should I care about inane edgy pseudophilosophy questions that have no relevance?
Again, nothing in science has any relevance, no matter what we do, science will still science. What's the point of biology? Why spend years of practice on researching plants? Science is about knowledge, knowledge you won't necessarily ever need to use in practice, but you just want to know.

[Anonymous No.5355539]

The problem with present day racial divisions is that they're largely based on pre-existing classifications dating back hundreds of years rather than on an impartial, objective comparison of genomes.

Or to put it simply - rather than looking at the genomes of a large group of people, seeing they're similar and saying "these people are all in group A", instead we say "these people are all in existing group B, therefore this is the group B genome".

[Anonymous No.5355541]

>>5355529

>irrational

doubtful, that's dependent upon philosophical views.

>unjust

Maybe, but the definition of what is human and "deserving" of those rights, according to the constitution, may not be applied to them.

[Anonymous No.5355544]

>>5355497
>Black population increases, crime rate increases

>people with black hair increase, crime increases

black hair causes crime.

racist logic.

[Anonymous No.5355545]

>>5355501
>Like qualia.
>hurr durr
>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.5355546]

>>5355521
>Are you le serious?
>race is a made up problem?
LOL LE ARE YOU LE SERIOUS? LEL
>>>/reddit/

>>5355522
Don't know, how about all the governments that enforce them?

>>5355528
>hurr durr it's environment! evolution only exist in OTHER species!
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.5355547]

>>5355539
To be fair, looking similar is usually pretty accurate to having similar genes.

[Anonymous No.5355540]

>>5355534
>People on average are dumb and criminal

Yeah, in Detroit maybe.

[Anonymous No.5355549]

>>5355541
>doubtful, that's dependent upon philosophical views.

No, it's just dumb.

>Maybe, but the definition of what is human and "deserving" of those rights, according to the constitution, may not be applied to them.

And that's even dumber.

[Anonymous No.5355550]

>>5355534
>Evolution has explantory power. Race doesn't.
>Still not seeing how race and evolution are like bread and butter
>Guys, let's study the evolution of man but ignore race ok? It's irrelevant to the subject

[Anonymous No.5355553]

>>5355549

And this is /sci/ trying to argue. back to your equations, autist.

[Anonymous No.5355555]

>>5355538
Are you retarded? Scientific theories give explanations to observations. Your "race" nonsense is neither properly defined not is it needed for any explanation.

>>5355540
Nope, everywhere.

>>5355545
The comparison was valid.

>>5355546
What's your le problem? Can't you come up with an argument?

>>5355550
Give me a definition of "race". You can't even define your nonsense.

[Anonymous No.5355558]

>>5355549
>That's just dumb.
>And that's even dumber
Wow, this is how you /sci/entists argue? At least on /pol/ we try to avoid logical fallacies.

[Anonymous No.5355560]

>>5355547
I had a girl in my Organic Chem class who's considered "Black" despite more than half of her heritage being Indian.l

[Anonymous No.5355559]

>>5355555
>people are on average criminals, EVERYWHERE

But that's wrong, you fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.5355563]

Stop this bigotry, dogs are dogs, but there are races known to be more aggressive, so why should this no apply to the humans. Just because we are humans we can ignore that there a differences in a species, but for all non-human species we scientifically take differences into account.

[Anonymous No.5355564]

>>5355559
Sorry to hear that you are a spoiled and privileged upper class kid. Maybe you should go outside one day.

[Anonymous No.5355566]

>>5355560

considered black by what criteria?

[Anonymous No.5355569]

>>5355553

It was as much of an argument as you gave. "that's dependent on philosophical views" is literally saying nothing. It's... wait for it... dumb.

It is irrational to treat people based on arbitrary groupings rather than what they're actually like individually. Ok, so black people are less smart on average. But there are still millions of black people smarter than you. You see? (Probably not, because you're a troll trying to be edgy.)

[Anonymous No.5355570]

>>5355559
Are you denying that humans evolved from animals? Are you a christfag who believes in morality? Don't make me laugh.

[Anonymous No.5355573]

>>5355558
>At least on /pol/ we try to avoid logical fallacies.

0/1000000

[Anonymous No.5355574]

>>5355555
>Give me a definition of "race". You can't even define your nonsense.
The difference between Black people, White people, Asiatics, South Americans. Wait what? You thought that we are all biologically the same?
And by the way, nice arguments there "Nope, everywhere." "The comparison was valid. " Really informative

[Anonymous No.5355579]

>>5355508
yes but that is due to circumstance, upbringing and environment, not genetics.

[Anonymous No.5355583]

>>5355574
>The difference between Black people, White people, Asiatics, South Americans.

hurr the difference is the difference

[Anonymous No.5355584]

>>5355564
>>5355570
For people to be criminals on average that would put over 75% of the population as committed a crime you dumb fucks.

[Anonymous No.5355585]

>>5355573
Sorry, but on /pol/ if somebody states his argument, the majority of time someone will provide counter evidence, not just say "Nope" and strut around like a victorious hen.

[Anonymous No.5355587]

>>5355579
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.5355581]

>>5355555
>What's your le problem? Can't you come up with an argument?
What do you mean? My argument was exactly the same as your argument.

[Anonymous No.5355582]

>>5355574
That's not a useful definition. What are you trying to say? Skin color is race? Nationality is race? That's politics, not science, and it is not needed for any explanation. Post a scientific definiton please.

[Anonymous No.5355589]

>>5355581
Then you are agreeing with me? Good to see I convinced you that thinking about "race" is an inane waste of time.

[Anonymous No.5355591]

>>5355579
This is evolutionary bullshit. Different breeds over thousands of years, and you tell us that the intelligence magically converges to the same? Yeah Nature is known to only converge to one spot, all the time.

[Anonymous No.5355592]

>>5355544
Got stats to support a correlation between hair colour and crime rate?

[Anonymous No.5355594]

>>5355579
The infinitely more simple answer would be a genetic/biological difference.

There is no proof for upbrining and environment somehow affecting the vast majority of the black population, so why do you assume its this?

[Anonymous No.5355595]

>>5355589
Then you are agreeing with me, too. Good to see I convinced you that thinking about "cancer" is an inane waste of time.

[Anonymous No.5355599]

>>5355585

You didn't make an argument, you made an assertion. Barely even that. And then YOU complain about "logical fallacies?" gtfo back to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.5355600]

>>5355582
>Skin color is race?
No, but it's a factor when talking about race
>Nationality is race?
Nationality has nothing to do with race, I don't know where you pulled that from. I didn't even mention nationality
And Skin color is not fucking politics, what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.5355603]

>>5355584
>75%
Oh wow. How can someone be that bad at math? Did you not even pass elementary school?

[Anonymous No.5355605]

>>5355569

I called out your fallacious argument: my calling out is hardly nothing.

Why is it irrational? you don't actually provide any evidence; you just state, like a pleb, regurgitating ideas not thought up by you.


>smarter than you

You don't have any concrete, viable, or appropriate evidence to make that claim, nice try, fag.

[Anonymous No.5355610]

>>5355600
Then what is "race"? I'm waiting for a definiton. You sure can define "race", can't you? You wouldn't just talk vague hogwash based on emotions, would you?

[Anonymous No.5355611]

"Evolution stopped at the neck"

- /sci/

[Anonymous No.5355620]

>>5355599
I did make an argument, I quoted the words straight from the horses mouth, I don't know better evidence than that.

>That's just dumb.
>And that's even dumber

>DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE FOR THAT?

[Anonymous No.5355615]

>>5355544
Are you serious? That's such a strawman.

The contention is that the same genes that cause black people to have lower IQs are also responsible for increased crime rate. Therefore black brains cause crime, not black hair.

[Anonymous No.5355621]

>>5355546
You realize evolution take thousands of years and a shit load of enviromental pressure right?

You also realize that majority of Mexican people today came from spain around 1521
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_conquest_of_the_Aztec_Empire

There has been no environmental pressure for people to evolve since the spanish settled in mexico.

Doesn't it sound just a little bit more likely that because when mexicans get to america they have no money so they have shitty education which often ends up in low intelligence?

Also Read this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations

I'm done, reported, either listen to reason or take your shit to >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.5355623]

>>5355610
>In biology, races are distinct genetically divergent populations within the same species with relatively small morphological and genetic differences.
>Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by heritable phenotypic characteristics (physical appearance), geographic ancestry,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacy

And any of the infographics posted in this thread so far, which are all verifiable.

[Anonymous No.5355624]

How is it that nobody disagrees that blacks are stronger build and better endurance. So yeah, obviously there is a difference between blacks and asians or whites. Now when we talk about something like Cognitive capacity we magically overstep a red line where the discussions need to end.. Doesn't make sense to me.

[Anonymous No.5355627]

>>5355610
>White people
>Black People
>Hispanics
>Asians
>Indians
>etc...

>each have different skin colors
>each have different facial features
>each have skills superior to other groups

But no, we're all the same.

[Anonymous No.5355628]

>>5355430

Race does not exist.
Geographic Origin what you mean when you say race

Aboriginals and Africans are both dark skinned. They are from two different areas geographic origins and have no similarities in disease tendencies or other factors besides their skin color to Africans.

Just like the Nuitsuit Indians and the Mayans. You can call them both "Native Americans" racially. But their point of geographic origin is radically different and differ in many ways.

People from India can have MUCH darker skin from some peoples in Sub-saharan Africa. They are not both considered black. Skin color is not an appropriate sole criterion for categorization.

One simply cannot scientifically use "race" as a legitimate term for anything. Only "geographic origin" exists as a distinguishing factor.

Keep in mind "race" as we know it didn't even EXIST until relatively recently. In the 1700s. It was highlander v. lowlander or other such classifications people used to kill each other.

Race was a relatively recent invention used to allow rich Europeans to subvert poor Europeans to join them against a "different looking" enemy so that rich Europeans could avoid civil wars.

tl;dr: Race does not exist. It is not the scientific basis for anything and stop using the terminology as such, assuming you are at all interested in actual science. If you are an idiot, continue forth.

[Anonymous No.5355631]

>>5355594
Because we are morally forbidden from reaching the only other possible conclusion. It MUST be the environment, we literally do not have a choice

[Anonymous No.5355632]

>>5355621
>implying we're talking about mexicans

[Anonymous No.5355633]

>>5355628
Yeah but in the meantime every other animal on earth is been classified by races.. But of course humans not, how political incorrect.

[Anonymous No.5355639]

>>5355632
OK, I am fucking sure you are a troll now.

[Anonymous No.5355640]

>>5355628
How about skull shapes?

[Anonymous No.5355645]

>>5355621
>You also realize that majority of Mexican people today came from spain around 1521
Try 10%, stupid. The vast majority are Amerindians speaking Spanish.

[Anonymous No.5355642]

>people talking about enviromental factors

They tested for example, black people that were brought up in rich homes and even black people that were brought up by white families and there were still large differences in IQ and overall performance.

Blaming environmental factors or saying that they can't operate within our society is moronic because we live in this society and we can't magically change that. To believe that in some magical society with fundamentally different rules and cultures, lesser races would be able to operate, is irrelevant for we don't live in that society.

[Anonymous No.5355643]

>>5355623
>distinct genetically divergent populations

How can such thing exist today? No population is isolated anymore. The trend is genetic convergence, not divergence.

[Anonymous No.5355647]

>>5355621
lmao listen to this guy. not only does he know fuck all about genetics or evolution, he doesn't know anything about history either.
>You also realize that majority of Mexican people today came from spain around 1521
Have you ever even seen an Iberian person? The majority of Mexico is Mestizo, meaning a mixture between Spanish and indigenous Amerindian. I can't believe anyone has to be explained this.

>Doesn't it sound just a little bit more likely that because when mexicans get to america they have no money so they have shitty education which often ends up in low intelligence?
Not if their IQ stays on the same rate after several generations of quality education. Source: reality.

>You realize evolution take thousands of years and a shit load of enviromental pressure right?
sup Stephen Jay Gould? if that's true, how come out of all Jews only Ashkenazim are highly intelligent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10,000_Year_Explosion

[Anonymous No.5355648]

Why isn't homosexuality a metal illness? There is no gay gene it's been scientifically proven.

[Anonymous No.5355652]

People, what is the actual reason that sub-saharan Africans didn't have any scientific achievement or progress of any sort? Millions of years, and yeah just mud-huts and sticks to slap goats.. Oh year in the meantime white men conquered the world and revolutionized science

[Anonymous No.5355653]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.5355655]

>>5355628

>Race was a relatively recent invention used to allow rich Europeans to subvert poor Europeans to join them against a "different looking" enemy so that rich Europeans could avoid civil wars.

Agreed with everything but that. I'm sure Nationality came first before race, but before all of that it was my small town vs your small town or my small city vs your small city.

[Anonymous No.5355657]

>>5355643
>no population is isolated anymore
>anymore
Here you go dumbass, the answer to your question.

[Anonymous No.5355658]

>>5355640
how politically incorrect

[Anonymous No.5355660]

>>5355643

Large amounts of the population are isolated because they don't have the resources to travel to other areas. Just look at Africa, it's an incredibly racially diverse place because the different populations cannot converge due to distances, between them, which cannot be traveled.

[Anonymous No.5355661]

>>5355467

Because of all the bad destructive policies coming from the insane racial egalitarians.

[Anonymous No.5355667]

>>5355643
Europeans in Europe and Africans in Africa are becoming more genetically distant with every generation, because it's the beginnings of speciation just like every other organism. The artificial recent trend of mass global mobility (among a minority of the world's population) is NOT representative of genetic trends at large. What you just said is politicized globalist garbage.

[Anonymous No.5355664]

"Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners"

"One of the world's most eminent scientists was embroiled in an extraordinary row last night after he claimed that black people were less intelligent than white people and the idea that "equal powers of reason" were shared across racial groups was a delusion.

James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unraveling of DNA who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, drew widespread condemnation for comments he made ahead of his arrival in Britain today for a speaking tour at venues including the Science Museum in London...

"Dr Watson told The Sunday Times that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really". He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true"."

>mfw I realized how powerful political correctness was, and how even as pure as science is not except from its scrutiny

[Anonymous No.5355668]

>>5355642

You still haven't factored in the influence of cultural factors which black people have deal with. If you see yourself as stupid then most likely your performance in society will reflect that kind of stunted attitude.

[Anonymous No.5355670]

>>5355528
Just because environment has a large effect on who a person is doesn't mean that genetics don't play an equally large part.

Trying to argue nature over nurture, or vice versa, is fucking ignorant and stupid.

They BOTH play a very significant role in human development and NEITHER can be ignored.

[Anonymous No.5355672]

wait what? races exist?

[Anonymous No.5355673]

>>5355645
I doubt that, the Aztecs and most natives were exterminated, survivors impregnated with the Spanish blood.

Same with large areas of South America, Catholic priests impregentated most of the native population.

[Anonymous No.5355674]

Everyone here should go watch PBS's "Lord of the Ants". It goes into a bit about the PC insanity destroying science. Reality is harsh, too bad mentally ill and insane egalitarians don't have the maturity and neurons to realize that.

[Anonymous No.5355675]

>>5355667
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.5355669]

>>5355657
If no population is isolated anymore and we all share a global genepool nowadays, the concept of "race" has lost its meaning. No matter whether it may have been relevant in the 18th century, nowadays it is not an issue anymore.

[Anonymous No.5355678]

Modern leftist philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science, objective reality and to insist that everything is culturally relative. It is true that one can ask serious questions about the foundations of scientific knowledge and about how, if at all, the concept of objective reality can be defined. But it is obvious that modern leftist philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge. They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality. They attack these concepts because of their own psychological needs. For one thing, their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power. More importantly, the leftist hates science and rationality because they classify certain beliefs as true (i.e., successful, superior) and other beliefs as false (i.e., failed, inferior). The leftist's feelings of inferiority run so deep that he cannot tolerate any classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior. This also underlies the rejection by many leftists of the concept of mental illness and of the utility of IQ tests. Leftists are antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior because such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior or inferior to others. Leftists prefer to give society the credit or blame for an individual's ability or lack of it. Thus if a person is "inferior" it is not his fault, but society's, because he has not been brought up properly.

[Anonymous No.5355679]

>>5355555

LE RACE IS LE SOCIAL CONSTRUCT

[Anonymous No.5355683]

>“It is likely that human races are evolving away from each other,” says University of Utah anthropologist Henry Harpending, who coauthored a major paper on recent human evolution. “We are getting less alike, not merging into a single mixed humanity.”

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/mar/09-they-dont-make-homo-sapiens-like-they-used-to

B-but muh egalitarianism!

we're all the same right guys!

[Anonymous No.5355685]

>>5355534
>People on average are dumb and criminal. Your point being what?
Except that they aren't.

You're dumbing down your opinion of your fellow man to account for your ignorant views of race.

You refuse to acknowledge that some races are less intelligent or more violent than others, so you simply attribute all the lowest-common-denominator traits to ALL humans.

You can sit there and try to ignore reality... but you won't be able to deny the consequences for your ignorance.

[Anonymous No.5355686]

>>5355669
Except mixed people are still a tiny minority and all of the races still exist, and continue to display the same achievement and IQ gaps.

[Anonymous No.5355688]

Evolution exists for everything except people.

[Anonymous No.5355689]

hows it going /sci/.

now you guys know how I feel after starting to hang around /pol/ since the election and trying to deal with that shithole.

that being said, come on, race is not a social construct. denying its reality is not a tactic that is going to help you against these morons.

[Anonymous No.5355691]

>>5355669
We don't share a global genepool nowadays either. Quit the fallacies already. Races self-segregate at every scale, and if you went outside for just one second you'd be able to see it yourself.

[Anonymous No.5355695]

>>5355544
What a bullshit excuse for an argument.

Racists point out the simple fact that there is a distinct correlation between race and crime.

But fools like you refuse to even acknowledge the correlation, let alone looking into it further to determine the cause.

[Anonymous No.5355696]

>>5355686
>Except mixed people are still a tiny minority

Everyone in the world is mixed race.

[Anonymous No.5355697]

>>5355689

>if it makes me hysterically angry and frustrated, then it must be a shit hole

[Anonymous No.5355698]

>>5355668
Cultural factors, yeah, no other race has had a negative culture on it.

Look at the fuckign Irish, they were treated and thought of as WORSE than blacks until the 1920s or so.

Yet they are doing FUCKING FINE.

How about in native africa? where there is no majority white population to inflict their terrible cultural opression on the struggling noble black man.

Oh wait, they're even worse there.

[Anonymous No.5355700]

>>5355660
How many races are there in Africa? How do you make the distinction between them?

>>5355679
Cool argument, shitposter. If it hurts your emotions, you sholdn't be here.

>>5355685
>Except that they aren't.
Have you ever left your basement and went outside? Obviously not.

>>5355686
>a tiny minority
Sure is 19th century in here.

[Anonymous No.5355694]

>>5355627

RACE IS SKIN DEEP

EVOLUTION STOPPED AT THE HEAD

[Anonymous No.5355701]

>>5355688
>strawman

[Anonymous No.5355707]

I hate racists

I hate you all white nazis ITT

[Anonymous No.5355708]

>>5355700
>How many races are there in Africa? How do you make the distinction between them?

google it?

[Anonymous No.5355709]

>>5355701
How is that?

[Anonymous No.5355710]

>/sci/ - science is racist and wrong

[Anonymous No.5355712]

>>5355579
Most likely yes.

>>5355581
Cranial capacity means absolutely nothing in the human species past a certain point. Cortical density, sure, but cranial capacity is old and outdated data.
>>5355587
Not only are these classifications subjective but this study looks barely scientific after researching it.
Age of first intercourse? Intermediate? LEL REALLY? and you're buying this?

>>5355623
Verifiable but incorrect. What white are they testing? English speaking Americans living in CT? What Blacks "Southern uneducated African Americans?" "Subsaharan Congolese speaking blacks"? Are they including Algerians who are African but are sometimes black and sometimes not?

Part of being a scientist is analyzing and criticizing data when it has flaws. These "infographics" have inherent flaws you need to check before you believe them.
>>5355624
I disagree with this. This is not a true statement. African American blacks MAY BE a stronger breed but they were "BRED" to be such by slave owners. AA's who didn't fit this mold were killed off as they were useless to slave owners.

There are many scrawny and normal Africans who live in Africa are are of that build even after being fed properly their whole life.

In the same way, not everyone in Kenya and Ethopia is an endurance machine. There are a lot, probably because of a genetic difference in elevation like increased EPO or hemoglobin count based on GEOGRAPHIC ORIGIN, but that doesn't translate to great running speeds in the population. Most of the beasts who win, train their whole lives.

[Anonymous No.5355713]

>>5355708
I thought you were educated on the topic. Seems my assumption was wrong. So you don't know the answer?

[Anonymous No.5355715]

>>5355707

>if you argue about race, then you are a nazi.

[Anonymous No.5355716]

Oh /sci/... I thought you were better than this. Hell, didn't we just talk recently about how niggers have pretty much ZERO nobel laureates in any field worth a damn?

[Anonymous No.5355717]

>>5355707
>recognising differences in race makes you a nazi
>recognising the earth is round makes you a heathen
>recognising modern medicine makes you a witch
>/sci/

[Anonymous No.5355718]

>/sci/ getting rustled by /pol/ shitposters

[Anonymous No.5355720]

>>5355628

Check out some actual science instead of make belief leftshit blank slater crap insane race creationist.

[Anonymous No.5355721]

>>5355689

Genetic variation across groups of people is obviously real, but "race," in the sense of distinct groups of black and white and so forth, is indeed a social construct. There is no scientific definition of "black person," and it's simply not useful as a real category.

"Those morons" can't understand the difference, but that's not for lack of people explaining it.

[Anonymous No.5355724]

>>5355696
No they aren't.

[Anonymous No.5355726]

[Anonymous No.5355730]

>why should i care about evolution/stars/osmosis/atoms

[Anonymous No.5355725]

>>5355713

You should have your own knowledge brought to this discussion. i'm not here to teach you.

[Anonymous No.5355731]

[Anonymous No.5355734]

>>5355633
Because these races are indeed different. Humans are not.

Do you know humans that lay eggs? Or humans that glow in the dark? Because I don't.

[Anonymous No.5355735]

>>5355707
I don't think they are nazis. Nazis didn't give a shit about armchair philosophy. The wannabe racists ITT are just degenerated children. If the nazis won the war, people like them would have been exterminated just like any other kind of mentally handicapped cretin.

[Anonymous No.5355736]

>>5355430
>niggers and jews bad news
You niggas need to get red pilled

[Anonymous No.5355737]

>>5355709
>How is that?

In that you're arguing against something that no one is claiming. You're also just appealing to ridicule.

[Anonymous No.5355738]

[Anonymous No.5355733]

>>5355707
>only whites believe in racialism

I'm indian, fuck you.

[Anonymous No.5355740]

>>5355721

>but "race," in the sense of distinct groups of black and white and so forth

If only science had some useful concept such as "spectrum" that could somehow be put to use here.

[Anonymous No.5355741]

>>5355724
Yes they are.

[Anonymous No.5355742]

It's the weekend. Of course it's going to bring out these disgusting naive niggerloving kids indoctrinated by shitty public education with all their diversity propaganda.

[Anonymous No.5355743]

>>5355725
If you can't even explain the basics of your topic, you surely aren't entitled to talk about it.

[Anonymous No.5355745]

So much liberal butthurt ITT

[Anonymous No.5355748]

>>5355712
>Most likely yes.
[citation needed]
>Cranial capacity means absolutely nothing in the human species past a certain point. Cortical density, sure, but cranial capacity is old and outdated data.
[citation needed]
>Not only are these classifications subjective but this study looks barely scientific after researching it.
If you go on your university database (>implying you're even in uni) or sciencedirect you'll find the exact papers these come from if you type in race
>Age of first intercourse? Intermediate? LEL REALLY? and you're buying this?
Why? Are you doubting that the average American black person has sex earlier than the average American white person and the average American white person earlier than the average American Asian person?

>Verifiable but incorrect.
So you didn't verify it, but you came to the conclusion it was incorrect? THAT makes sense. It's from The Bell Curve by the way.
>These "infographics" have inherent flaws you need to check before you believe them.
Yeah, such as?

>I disagree with this. This is not a true statement. African American blacks MAY BE a stronger breed but they were "BRED" to be such by slave owners.
[citation needed]
But really, let's just assume this is true. Can we then also assume white Americans naturally became more intelligent as a result? Yes or no?

[Anonymous No.5355757]

Is this just one spamming /pol/fag or are we being raided?

[Anonymous No.5355753]

>>5355745
You are the only butthurt poster ITT. You are spamming shitposts of the worst kind. You are making racists look bad.

[Anonymous No.5355758]

Fucking objective reality! How dare facts, statistics, and peer reviewed science be racist! My delusional racial egalitarianism and naive ignorance trumps your factual knowledge!

Here, have some peer reviewed science

>"If the defendant has any African ancestry, this could bring up a question of how well the genotype of that particular gene could relate to his personal behaviour," Moffitt says.
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091030/full/news.2009.1050.html

[Anonymous No.5355759]

>>5355753
>You are making racists look bad.

all racists are looking bad using 1930 pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.5355760]

I'm sorry it had to be like this /sci/. I would have warned you.

[Anonymous No.5355761]

Well it's ok, since /pol/ and /diy/ this board has been nothing but /highschoolmath/ and the liberal teens than strut around thinking they're better than everyone else congregate here. You people are as anti-science as the evangelical church you hate so much.

[Anonymous No.5355762]

>>5355735

You sound upset you poor conditioned faggot.

[Anonymous No.5355763]

>>5355757
I think it's a liberal who wants to make racists look like stupid and uneducated retards who can't do anything but flame and insult. Just ignore him.

[Anonymous No.5355765]

>>5355494
I'm not him, but I read it like this:
>environment wins, make sure your children are rised by a white couple.
>being rised by a single mother is worse than being rised by blacks.

[Anonymous No.5355766]

>>5355743
What basics have YOU or any of the other environmentalists given us? Absolutely none. Fuck off with your double standards. Some even started off doubting race differences existed at all. That is pure and condensed anti-scientific thought, literally no scientist will agree with you on that. The only dispute there even is is whether or not the differences are genetic.

[Anonymous No.5355768]

>>5355762
I'm sorry to hear that the truth upsets you.

[Anonymous No.5355769]

>>5355698

I'm not denying in the 1920s cultural factors held the Irish down, but those negative influences have gone away while the ones on black people have not.

[Anonymous No.5355772]

Oh and for the delusional libtards still here, you know that cripple you worship of much? Ya know, FDR? He HATED niggers. Oh and I'll leave you with this

When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.
H.P. Lovecraft

[Anonymous No.5355777]

>>5355766
Excuse me, but where did I ever claim to be an "environmentalist"? Do you even into reading comprehension, you retarded piece of shit? Are you a liberal?

[Anonymous No.5355779]

>>5355769
So within two generations of freedom, the Irish have prospered.

But within two generations of freedom, the blacks have done shit, perhaps even gotten worse.

Sounds like Blacks are to blame, not the opressors.

[Anonymous No.5355780]

>>5355633
No, they really haven't been classified into race by skin (pelt) color. A tan pitbull and a black pitbull are still of the same breed and are both pitbulls.

>>5355640
What about skull shapes? They differ by geographic origin too. This doesn't mean very much on it's own. If you're implying something about the brain, again, you'll note that brain activity is about density of neuronal connection vs. size of skull.

>>5355652
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kingdoms_in_pre-colonial_Africa
You just killed your own Argument.

>>5355655
That's correct, I overgeneralized a bit too much, my bad. Thanks

[Anonymous No.5355782]

i never see racists pointing out the difference between atheist and religious IQ

[Anonymous No.5355785]

fun fact, all non-african ethnicities contain neanderthal dna.

[Anonymous No.5355786]

>>5355759

DEY RACIS DEY NAZIS

If denial and anger is your only coping mechanism when you are faced with data that destroy your preconceived notions I feel sorry for you.

[Anonymous No.5355789]

>>5355782
Because that clearly isn't genetic.

[Anonymous No.5355790]

>>5355786
Try harder, you cretinous liberal.

[Anonymous No.5355794]

this is what happens when you leave /pol/ to fester in it's own stupidity /sci/. please start coming there and educating these idiots. I can't do it by myself. just like fifteen minutes a day each. every little bit helps.

[Anonymous No.5355796]

>>5355782
Because we don't all fit your stereotype? Many of us have no belief or are atheist.

[Anonymous No.5355797]

>>5355772
well that picture sounds all like made up crap

mahatma gandhi makes no sense since kaffir is just an islamic name for unbelievers and gandhi was not islamic

[Anonymous No.5355798]

>>5355777
Environmentalist is lingo for those who believe it's nurture rather than nature, dipshit. Check your fucking disprivilege.

[Anonymous No.5355799]

>>5355780
Jesus, Africa had even less kingdoms than I thought, thats pretty pathetic.

[Anonymous No.5355802]

>>5355794
>/sci/
>"educating" anyone

[Anonymous No.5355804]

>diversity
>strength
>good

Pick one

My Darwin, you niggers fucking suck at biology.

io9.com/5863666/why-inbreeding-really-isnt-as-bad-as-you-think-it-is

It's pretty funny too. Kikes are inbred as fuck but they're smart, apparently. Same with the Japs, they're among the most inbred nations (cousin marriages pretty much among the most common in the world among them and among the absolute highest in inbred index).

Let's look at the logical conclusions of diversity. Hispanics are pretty much that (diversity of two races) but they're sure as hell not as smart or strong as us.

[Anonymous No.5355805]

>>5355794
>educating

Funny, as you post no proof, just typical hollow sentences with a distinct smell of smug cunt.

[Anonymous No.5355811]

>>5355798
I know what it means, fucktard. Why are you accusing me of something I never claimed to be? Are you mentally impaired?

[Anonymous No.5355812]

>>5355716

according to that the aboriginals of australia are the most highly evolved humans

[Anonymous No.5355813]

>>5355794

We'd be happy to debate you, unlike sci we actually give counter arguments and evidence, not just call them "racist", fling strawmans, and ask for them to be banned

If you ever have a legitimate argument feel free to post it there

[Anonymous No.5355815]

>>5355780
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kingdoms_in_pre-colonial_Africa
>You just killed your own Argument.
You have got to be kidding me here. You're seriously trying to tell me someone making the claim that Africa has no significant scientific progress or civilization is wrong with a link to African states on Wikipedia?

>well that picture sounds all like made up crap
>mahatma gandhi makes no sense since kaffir is just an islamic name for unbelievers and gandhi was not islamic
Kaffir in South Africa refers to people with black skin colour
Gandhi - not sure, don't know if it's true to begin with
Che - from his Motorcycle Diaries
Darwin - from his book Descent of Man
Lincoln - it's from a debate, Google it

/sci/ really knows nothing about history

[Anonymous No.5355818]

>>5355782
don't forget about the scientific evidence that conservatism is correlated with a hyperactive disgust response, lower IQ, and badly functioning mirror neurons.

this is what you brainiacs need to pound into /pol/s shit thick skulls on a daily basis.

it's your duty, as rational intelligent people, to shut these racist morons down.

[Anonymous No.5355820]

this is now about how Australian Aboriginals are the master race

[Anonymous No.5355823]

PROUD BLACKMAN HERE

YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR FUCKIGN WHITE PRIVILKEGE YOU ENSLAVED US BLACK RACE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND YOU GET ANGRY WHEN WE ARENT ALL SMART LIKE YOU FUCK YOU

YOU ALL JUST FUCKING JEALUS THAT YOUR WHITE WOMAN WANT OUR BIG BLACK COCKS!!!!!!!

FUCKING RACISTS

[Anonymous No.5355824]

>>5355430
"Race" isn't a valid taxonomic unit and is phylogenetically hardly relevant.

Even if we apply subspecies' status to genetically dinstinct lineages like Bushmen and Oceanian natives that would create chaotic polytomies to the rest of humanity's phylogenetic tree and would render most other subspecies paraphyletic and even polyphyletic.

tl;dr: race is only politically, sociologically or medically relevant

[Anonymous No.5355816]

>>5355794

>we have to go and educate those yokels because they are using evidence contrary to our views!

[Anonymous No.5355827]

>>5355811
If you're arguing against /pol/ about any subject related to race, you're an environmentalist. Now stop talking about this and provide some sources to prove your claim that don't breach Lewontin's fallacy.

[Anonymous No.5355828]

>>5355818

>Implying /pol/ is conservative

It's mainly a mixture of libertarians and national socialists

[Anonymous No.5355831]

>>5355818
>he thinks we're all conservatives

[Anonymous No.5355833]

>>5355797
kaffir is a racial slur in south africa its meaning is basically 'nigger'

[Anonymous No.5355835]

>>5355828

This, I'd say /pol/ is at least 95% libertarian

[Anonymous No.5355836]

This thread needs a healthy dose of Guns, Germs, and Steel.

STAT

[Anonymous No.5355838]

>>5355827
I didn't make any claims. Once again you show your illiteracy. Why do you want to make /pol/ look stupid?

[Anonymous No.5355840]

>>5355828
>and national socialists
Are you for real?? I know it's 4chan but seriously nazis?? Some things should just be off limits...

[Anonymous No.5355845]

>>5355828
You rightwings look all the same to me.

[Anonymous No.5355847]

>>5355833
Got any source for that?

Wikipedia says it's arabic for non-muslim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

[Anonymous No.5355848]

>>5355836
That bullshit book full of fallacies?

no thanks

[Anonymous No.5355842]

>>5355831

I don't think you are all conservatives. You are all generally really stupid though.

[Anonymous No.5355850]

>>5355836
An unscientific book that recycles all the politically-correct propaganda without adding any new information or taking into account any dissenting viewpoints. Yes, we should all read that.

[Anonymous No.5355851]

>>5355845
>Generalising is wrong!
>You rightwings look all the same to me.

[Anonymous No.5355849]

>>5355840
Nobody here is a real nazi. They are just edgy kids who want to spout opinions they are not allowed to say in real life.

[Anonymous No.5355856]

>>5355640
How is that even tangentially related to merit differences between people? Are you fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.5355857]

>>5355836

We've all watched that shitty documentary, it';s filled with strawman after strawman and right at the beginning the host dismisses an explanation on race because "I met a few smart new-Guineans once", doesn't sound very scientific

[Anonymous No.5355861]

>>5355840
>Some things should just be off limits...

Why? They're as free to voice themselves as you are you fascist cunt.

[Anonymous No.5355862]

>>5355847
In its common usage it means "nigger."
The origin probably stems back from when the majority of non-muslim people encountered by muslims were black. The other word for them is zanj زنج

[Anonymous No.5355863]

Races are all equal, anyone who disagrees should be sent to the gulags

[Anonymous No.5355865]

>>5355840
>your rights end where my feelings begin

[Anonymous No.5355866]

>>5355758

Have you even read that article? You're contradicting yourself you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.5355868]

>>5355836
Yeah the same book written by a Jew that argues that Africans never amounted to anything because their life was idyllic and Africa lacked resources. Well if life was so good in Africa, there was no need to select for intelligence, now was there?

[Anonymous No.5355870]

>mfw /sci/ is composed of edgy libtard redditors that worship neil degrasse tyson cock

[Anonymous No.5355871]

>>5355849
I can understand that, I would probably also be bitter if I was bullied by physically superior black kids that steal our white women.

[Anonymous No.5355874]

>>5355742

FTFY

[Anonymous No.5355880]

[Anonymous No.5355883]

>>5355874
Thats funny, because all the racists i've known have lived around other races for long periods of time, and all the strict egalitarians I know, tend to live in all white suburbs.

[Anonymous No.5355885]

>>5355845
>You rightwings look all the same to me.

Do you english?

[Anonymous No.5355876]

>>5355842
>You are all generally really stupid though.

Aww, because you have no evidence to refute us? Because your feelies are hurt? Is that it, anyone who doesn't agree with you is dumb?

You anti-science faggots are disgusting.

>b-b-bu-but you're stupid!

[Anonymous No.5355877]

>>5355856
Because differences in skull shape and volume (indisputable) prove differences in brain shape and size (indisputable) and then you have to take an ideological leap of faith to claim that brain size and volume have NO effect on brain function and development.

[Anonymous No.5355878]

>>5355847
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaffir_%28racial_term%29

>>5355836
"That is, in mental ability New Guineans are probably genetically superior to Westerners, and they surely are superior in escaping the devastating developmental disadvantages under which most children in industrialized societies now grow up."
-- Jared Diamondberg, the kosher kike "scientist" as approved by the ADL
this is from page 15 or 16 look it up

[Anonymous No.5355887]

>>5355883

That is a lie and we both know it, so why are you even telling it?

[Anonymous No.5355888]

Ban racist science!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.5355890]

All of this shit you are seeing in this thread is the kind of garbage that goes unchallenged and actually passes for legitimate debate in /pol/. Yesterday they were talking about rounding up and slaughtering the Aspies. just poke your heads in there like a couple times a week and help bring that place into the now. that's all I ask.

[Anonymous No.5355891]

>>5355861
But Nazism has shown itself to be the most barbaric and destructive ideology on the planet. We already know what happens if we allow Nazis to speak. The safety of mankind is more important than a few losers' freedom of speech.

[Anonymous No.5355892]

>>5355871
>by physically superior black kids that steal our white women

/sci/ has it's own cuckfag. makes sense.

[Anonymous No.5355898]

>>5355887
It's the truth, I guess it's why leftists always move away from blacks, to preserve their world view.

[Anonymous No.5355899]

>>5355847
yeah sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eMVNjMF1Suo#t=574s

die antwoord south african rap group video
he calls them white kaffirs (sounds like gaffas because of the accent)

[Anonymous No.5355900]

>>5355865
Making soap out of people isn't exactly your basic human rights. (especially when said people are more intelligent -thus more worthy to live- than you are according to your ideology and the data you present.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

[Anonymous No.5355904]

>>5355890
Even the dumbest /pol/ argument has more credence than anything I've seen in this thread against /pol/.

[Anonymous No.5355905]

>>5355695
Correlation is not causation. Racism - a social trait - runs rampant in any country and cause people from another ethnicity to suffer from degraded conditions and chances to prove [s]he's as competent and civil as any other one. .

[Anonymous No.5355909]

>>5355887
...he said from within his white suburb

[Anonymous No.5355911]

>>5355898

Why do you think Tim Wise lives in a 99% white area.

[Anonymous No.5355913]

>muh white genes

/pol/ is just extremely thick headed

good thing they have their own board tho

[Anonymous No.5355914]

>>5355823

[Anonymous No.5355903]

>>5355890

>"garbage"

You mean facts and statistics /sci/ cant refute?

[Anonymous No.5355915]

>>5355900
>Srawman

The intelligence of the Ashkenazi jew doesn't matter, race doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.5355916]

>>5355900
OMG don't even go there hahahaha. You can't use the jew-soap story, that's finally been admitted by "holocaust scholars" to be a lie.

[Anonymous No.5355919]

>>5355695

[Anonymous No.5355920]

>>5355890
I didn't think it was possible to sniff your own fart in a text based medium.

>Hi, we're /sci/, we like math, atheism and acting smug, anything controversial is bad, 300 years ago we'd have locked you up for believing the earth was round and didn't revolve around god.

[Anonymous No.5355922]

>>5355891
>communism has shown itself to be the most barbaric and destructive ideology on the planet

Fixed, now how about we ban all those T-shirts with Che Guevara on them? and all those Hammer and Sickle banners.

The Nazis have done far more for mankind than communists, and with far less death,.

[Anonymous No.5355924]

>>5355891
And communism?

[Anonymous No.5355927]

>>5355900
>soap out of people
Seems legit.

[Anonymous No.5355928]

>>5355919
I think these statistics show that high crime rates are causing a higher percentage of black citizens.

[Anonymous No.5355929]

If race doesn't exist, then how can we pinpoint someone's race and racial heritage by looking at their DNA?

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/magazine/16-01/ps_dna

Also, IQ is largely genetic judging by every twin study ever conducted. .77 similarity for twins REARED APART.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62jZENi1ed8&list=FL9eDOwp3nDsHdo8yCM3BhAA

Here I thought there was pure science, but unfortunately, we have the liberal RELIGION of egalitarianism
That's right. I call it a religion. Because that's how people confronted with hard scientific evidence act when confronted with scientific evidence that runs contrary to their entire worldview.

IF these people were truly objective, they would NEVER automatically assume the races are equal. There's no evidence to make that claim, and thus they are placing the burden of proof in the form of unfalsifiable hypotheses. Objective onlookers will simply claim that they don't think there is clear evidence either way, and will not make a judgement on either perspective. I could respect that. HOWEVER. They DEFAULT to the assumption that all races are equal in ability, and THAT'S why it is a religion.

If anyone here honestly believes that all people are completely intellectually equal in ability no matter their race, then you are not an objective thinker. The facts clearly do not matter to you.

[Anonymous No.5355923]

>>5355900

Everyone knows Jews are smarter, they are still a destructive force to society though

Jews are the only people that have been kicked out of every country in history and have absolutely no idea why

[Anonymous No.5355931]

>>5355892
>/sci/ has it's own cuckfag. makes sense.
It's not like you ever managed to debunk it.

[Anonymous No.5355932]

>>5355924
At least communism had good intentions.

[Anonymous No.5355934]

>>5355932
So does National Socialism.

[Anonymous No.5355938]

>>5355887

Watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3q9OAqxFbE&list=FL9eDOwp3nDsHdo8yCM3BhAA

[Anonymous No.5355940]

>>5355932
ahahahahahahahahaha

those double standards

>at least national socialism has good intentions, same economics, but for its own people

you're fucking delusional.

[Anonymous No.5355943]

>>5355898

If it's the truth, why are white supremacist movements strongest in suburban and rural areas? If leftists are the deluded ones, and people who live near other races are the ones who know the truth, why do all the major cities vote left by a wide margin? Why is it that whenever a white supremacist is arrested over bullshit, we see he lived in a cozy white suburb?

You're full of shit and you know it. What's more, you're on the science board. We don't really give a shit about your emotional socio-political bullshit based on a need to dominate others. We care about demonstrable, empirical facts, repeatable experiments, mathematical proofs and peer reviewed works. Your 70 year old bullshit made up by some guy who was saying what his government wanted to hear so he could roll in cash does not impress us, and all this thread has done so far is entertain us, like watching clowns acting stupid. Except not as scary, because fuck clowns.

[Anonymous No.5355946]

>>5355919

That's a nice source you have there. Totally not made up bullshit.

[Anonymous No.5355952]

>>5355943
Go cry some more, pussy.

pic related, it's you.

Come back when you have some facts and statistics to back up your shit.

[Anonymous No.5355953]

>>5355785

redhead masterrace

[Anonymous No.5355950]

>>5355932
Yeah, National Socialism/Fascism is pure evil. That makes sense, right?

>Mexico is ethnically Spanish
>Subsaharan Africa had a high level of civilization
>kaffir isn't an insult in South Africa
>National Socialism is pure evil while communism has good intentions
Seriously, does this fucking shit really fly for history, here on /sci/? This board is fucking trash.

[Anonymous No.5355954]

>>5355943
Wasnt the infamous bell curve funded by a dodgy group? I cant recall what it was

[Anonymous No.5355955]

>>5355915
What part of "according to your ideology" did not you get?

No. I don't think the Ashkenazj kikes should enjoy special privileges.

That doesn't make your claims any less self-contradicting.

[Anonymous No.5355959]

>>5355943

Because if a white supremacist was open about his views in a black neighborhood he'd get fucking shot

>We care about demonstrable, empirical facts, repeatable experiments, mathematical proofs and peer reviewed works

Obviously not since you've dismissed all evidence contrary to your agenda offhand as "racist"

[Anonymous No.5355960]

>>5355911

http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/tennessee/nashville.html#.UM0ZwDPg2jY

>In 2010 the city violent crime rate in Nashville was higher than the violent crime rate in Tennessee by 85.04% and the city property crime rate in Nashville was higher than the property crime rate in Tennessee by 35.36%.

Crime rates correlate to population density, not race.

[Anonymous No.5355961]

>>5355943

Here unscientific faggot read a scientific paper for once and get educated.


http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/getfile.php?file=Race.pd

[Anonymous No.5355962]

>>5355927
if they can do it from whales why not from humans?

[Anonymous No.5355965]

>>5355943
>that whole post

[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.5355970]

>>5355953

this is now a redhead thread.

[Anonymous No.5355971]

>>5355489
>>5355489

>table generally supports the hereditarian model for ethnic differneces

>Gains in Minnesota adoption study were negligible when controlling for Flynn Effect

>Studies showing major gains tend to have very low population sizes or severe and obvious methodological faults.

How is that intellectual bubble treating you? Keeping the bad thoughts away?

Can't wait for the strawmen and ad hominem.

"Arguing that the differences are wholly genetic is absurd, you facile moron!"

"Do you feel no shame, you autistic sociopath virgin?!?!"

[Anonymous No.5355974]

>>5355919
>ignoring the correlation of being black/hispanic with poverty, unemployement and illiteracy

Time to search for the causation behind these...

[Anonymous No.5355968]

>>5355943
>We care about demonstrable, empirical facts, repeatable experiments, mathematical proofs and peer reviewed works.

Then why don't you accept these empirically researched facts?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304898704577478482432277706.html

http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/woodley-2009-is-homo-sapiens-polytypic-human
-taxonomic-diversity-and-its-implications.pdf

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/full/mp201185a.html

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx

"[I am] inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa [because] all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours—whereas all the testing says not really."

""I turned against the left wing because they don't like genetics, because genetics implies that sometimes in life we fail because we have bad genes. They want all failure in life to be due to the evil system."

--Dr. James Watson, co-discoverer of DNA

[Anonymous No.5355975]

>>5355961

>Crime rates correlate to population density, not race

Blacks commit 52% of the homicides despite making up only 12% of the population

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

[Anonymous No.5355976]

>>5355952

Cool story bro. Now offer some actual retort.

>>5355959

Unsourced charts are hardly evidence of anything. Here, I have one too. As you see, the closer a person gets to being you, the stupider they get.

[Anonymous No.5355977]

>>5355962

It was proven to be a wartime myth.

Did you know that in the Cold War, many Americans thought all Russians ate their own children?

[Anonymous No.5355978]

>>5355943

>citation needed

for pretty much everything you said.

Stormfags back their shit up with sources why cant sci.

[Anonymous No.5355979]

>>5355960
How does that link prove your hypothesis?

[Anonymous No.5355980]

>>5355960

And so it happens that blacks live in inner cities. But yeah it must be the population density any other explanation might be offensive to someone so it is out of bounds. You guys are worse than the people who think rap music is responsible for the white black IQ gap.

[Anonymous No.5355983]

>>5355952

Cool story bro. Now offer some actual retort.

>>5355959

Unsourced charts are hardly evidence of anything. Here, I have one too. As you see, the closer a person gets to being you, the stupider they get.

[Anonymous No.5355984]

>>5355911
this looks like ASR

[Anonymous No.5355986]

>>5355960

>Crime rates correlate to population density, not race

Blacks commit 52% of the homicides despite making up only 12% of the population

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

[Anonymous No.5355987]

>>5355962
Mass graves.
Ovens.

Using the hair, believable.
Fat ? When was it preleved ?

[Anonymous No.5355989]

The minnesota transracial adoption study found that adopted white babies raised by white upper-middle class, high iq families had a mean IQ that was a whole standard deviation above that of negroid babies adopted by white, upper-middle class , high iq families. the means were 106 to 89 respectively.
sample size of about 200.

You should have enough knowledge of statistics to know that the central limit theorem means that if you take two samples of size ~ 100 from the same underlying population, the chance that those samples will have means that differ by more than a standard deviation is highly unlikely. Infact it's extremely unlikely. It's so unlikely, it's well above the normal threshold for statistical significance.
This is strong evidence that negroes and white europeans do not share the same underlying distribution of intelligence, and that the intelligence distribution for negroes is significantly lower than for white europeans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

Furthermore, non-racial adoption studies have shown that the correlation in intelligence between biological parents and their adopted babies adopted babies is much higher than for the adoptee parents and adopted babies. Infact there's no correlation between the IQ of an adopted baby and its adopted parents at all.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0vbf_hjernevask-brainwashing-english-part-2-the-parental-effect_n
ews

[Anonymous No.5355990]

>>5355960
>>5355960

>In 2010 the city violent crime rate in Nashville was higher than the violent crime rate in Tennessee by 85.04% and the city property crime rate in Nashville was higher than the property crime rate in Tennessee by 35.36%.


>using an isolated variable to refute a broad correlation

pls go

[Anonymous No.5355985]

>>5355974
>there are no poor, illiterate and unemployed white/asian people

[Anonymous No.5355993]

>>5355976

See this >>5355968 and this >>5355929

Your religion is crumbling, and you know it. If you default to the unfounded assumption that all races are equal, then you're not a scientist by any means.

[Anonymous No.5355994]

[Anonymous No.5355996]

>>5355980
>And so it happens that blacks live in inner cities
yes, because whites never commit crime in urban areas. just take a look at al capone, the NY mafia, niggers the lot of them!

[Anonymous No.5355997]

>>5355989
Bullshit study. So many flaws.

[Anonymous No.5355998]

>>5355983

Nice job ignoring every single link posted in this thread then claiming "lol u has no evidence Xd"

[Anonymous No.5356001]

>>5355968

B-B-BUT MUHH FEELINGS

[Anonymous No.5356002]

>>5355983
>Cool story bro. Now offer some actual retort.

The whole thread is full of links, statistics and pictures, learn to read buddy.

[Anonymous No.5356004]

>>5355978

But a stormfag can never be rescued from his fixed notions....

The more I debated with them the more familiar I became with their argumentative tactics. At the outset they counted upon the stupidity of their opponents, but when they got so entangled that they could not find a way out they played the trick of acting as innocent simpletons. Should they fail, in spite of their tricks of logic, they acted as if they could not understand the counter arguments and bolted away to another field of discussion. They would lay down truisms and platitudes; and, if you accepted these, then they were applied to other problems and matters of an essentially different nature from the original theme. If you faced them with this point they would escape again, and you could not bring them to make any precise statement. Whenever one tried to get a firm grip on any of these apostles one's hand grasped only jelly and slime which slipped through the fingers and combined again into a solid mass a moment afterwards. If your adversary felt forced to give in to your argument, on account of the observers present, and if you then thought that at last you had gained ground, a surprise was in store for you on the following day. The stormfag would be utterly oblivious to what had happened the day before, and he would start once again by repeating his former absurdities, as if nothing had happened. Should you become indignant and remind him of yesterday's defeat, he pretended astonishment and could not remember anything, except that on the previous day he had proved that his statements were correct. Sometimes I was dumbfounded. I do not know what amazed me the more--the abundance of their verbiage or the artful way in which they dressed up their falsehoods. I gradually came to hate them.

[Anonymous No.5355999]

>>5355502
yep.
/thread

[Anonymous No.5356000]

>>5355983
Do you realize how self-incriminating it is to post a chart like that in response to the charts we've posted?

[Anonymous No.5356005]

>>5355989
>>5355989

>heritability of IQ increases with age until cognitive adulthood

>conveniently ignoring the age 17 scores

[Anonymous No.5356006]

so geographic origin is how we divide people now?

I guess thats why people in areas that have seasons are smarter... they had to plan for winter to survive

NORTHERN CLIMATES FOR THE NORTHERN CLIMATED!

[Anonymous No.5356009]

>>5355986
this may have way deeper causes than simply saying that they are a different 'race'

[Anonymous No.5356010]

>>5355997

Compelling counter argument

Bullshit post, so many flaws

[Anonymous No.5356011]

>>5356004

Yet all this had its good side; because the more I came to know the individual leaders, or at least the propagandists, of Social Democracy, my love for my own people increased correspondingly. Considering the Satanic skill which these evil counsellors displayed, how could their unfortunate victims be blamed? Indeed, I found it extremely difficult myself to be a match for the dialectical perfidy of that race. How futile it was to try to win over such people with argument, seeing that their very mouths distorted the truth, disowning the very words they had just used and adopting them again a few moments afterwards to serve their own ends in the argument! No. The more I came to know the stormfag, the easier it was to excuse the workers.

[Anonymous No.5356013]

>>5355997
You would say this about anything that challenges your doctrine of "everyone is exactly equal and science must be made to fit."

[Anonymous No.5356014]

>>5355983

Stop deleting your posts, you anti-science ideologue.

See >>5355968 and >>5355929

You have zero evidence to support your viewpoint and your entire rebuttal is to call us racist, nazis, white supremacists, rednecks, or something equally emotionally-driven and designed to end an argument rather than contribute to it..
You are the picture of failure.

[Anonymous No.5356019]

>>5356006
>>5356006

>that hilarity when opposition is reduced to wild strawmen arguments

[Anonymous No.5356020]

>>5356016
bro you got tricked hard. that's a quote from Mein Kampf.

[Anonymous No.5356016]

>>5356004
>>5356011
That was PERFECTLY put, you stormfags are just like this, you racists need to shut the fuck up and stop being retarded

[Anonymous No.5356022]

>>5355996

Nice fallacy there.

learn2science

[Anonymous No.5356023]

>>5356005
Yes and once they reached cognitive adulthood, the adopted black children regressed towards the mean (of black IQ scores), losing the few IQ points they gained by being raised in a white household.
>self-defeating

[Anonymous No.5356025]

>>5355508
Raising environment suggests differently.

>Neil Tyson DeGrasse
Black Man raised in White Culture (American)
One of the greatest philosophers and scientists of this century

>50 Cent
Raised in Black Culture (American)
Could not answer which continent Britain was in.
Doesn't no the first 2 digits within Pi.
Couldn't multiply 7x7.

[Anonymous No.5356026]

>>5355508
You must have missed the chart where all the studies of race vs intelligence with socioeconomic standards held constant showed no significant difference IQ. It's posted in this thread.

[Anonymous No.5356028]

>>5355997

And where is your NON-bullshit study?

I wonder if Tim Wise put out another pseudo-intellectual "study" wherein he thinks all stupidity is caused by "muh oppression".

[Anonymous No.5356032]

>>5356025
>sample size: 1
>sample size: 1
you must be a REAL scientist

[Anonymous No.5356034]

>>5356004
>tl;dr no rebuttal

cool

for a science board, you people are terrible at discussion

[Anonymous No.5356035]

[Anonymous No.5356029]

>>5356016

>Samefagging with Ad hominems

This is just getting pathetic now

[Anonymous No.5356036]

>>5356025
African Americans are mixed with white people though, so hardly the best choice to compare with whites.

Also, we're talking about averages, of course there will be rare exceptions, that doesn't disregard averages though

[Anonymous No.5356041]

>>5356016
>>5356016

>That was PERFECTLY put, you stormfags are just like this, you racists need to shut the fuck up and stop being retarded

>everybody who believes inequality is partially inherited is a dogmatic white nationalist

>not even aware of private surveys on the opinion of cognitive scientists on this topic

[Anonymous No.5356042]

>>5355932
>communism had good intentions

As an Ukrainian that has had his family suffer greatly from communism during holodomor I am shocked and appalled that people actually think communism has good intentions.

[Anonymous No.5356046]

>>5356025

A few cherry-picked examples obviously prove hundreds of peer reviewed studies wrong

Thank you for your logical and informative post

Also, you are ignoring the fact that Neil DeGrasse Tyson is half white

[Anonymous No.5356047]

>>5356005
I didn't ignore teh age 17 scores you cretin. I USED teh age 17 scores you cretin.

white adopted mean IQ at age 17: 106
Negroid adopted mean IQ at age 17: 89
106-89 = 16

1 standard deviation in IQ is 15 IQ points.
There fore the difference between the two sample means of size ~100 was more than a population standard deviation , which as the central limit theorem proves, is extremely unlikely if both samples were drawn from the same underlying population.

Please pay attention and read the post before you respond with stupid greentext and reaction images.

[Anonymous No.5356048]

>>5356022
>whites in urban environments commit crime
>well its bound to happen in a big city like this

>blacks do it, seeing as how the majority of them are in urban environments and dont have 99.99% of their population spread out into suburbs
>FUCKING NIGGERS THEY'RE ALL LIKE THIS

this is a reall simple case of correlation =/= causation

[Anonymous No.5356049]

>>5355457
Still doesn't negate the OP's point, BBC slurping faggot

[Anonymous No.5356051]

>>5356025
>>Neil Tyson DeGrasse
>One of the greatest philosophers and scientists of this century

wow, /sci/ is even more ridiculous than /pol/

[Anonymous No.5356052]

>>5355994
Oh god I lol'd

[Anonymous No.5356053]

>>5355870
>>5356025
Wow, I have never browsed this shit board ever in my life, but I called that one.
Stay mad you assdevastated liberal Reddit-loving retard.

[Anonymous No.5356054]

>>5355968

All right, I'll ignore the Nature article posted earlier which actually said the opposite of what the stormfag claimed and the unsourced chart and instead look at what you posted. One link at a time.

>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304898704577478482432277706.html

A study which claims that genes have an influence on IQ. But, in the same article, you might have missed this part:

>But as Drs. Bouchard and Segal have been at pains to point out from the start, this high heritability of intelligence mainly applies to nonpoor families. Raise a child hungry or diseased and environment does indeed affect IQ. Eric Turkheimer and others at the University of Virginia have shown that in the most disadvantaged families, heritability of IQ falls and the influence attributed to the shared family environment rises to 60%.

>In other words, hygienic, well-fed life enables people to maximize their genetic potential so that the only variation left is innate. Intelligence becomes significantly more heritable when environmental hurdles to a child's development have been dismantled.

Yeeeaaaaah. Continued next post.

[Anonymous No.5356059]

>>5356026

Yeah that's why the black white IQ has stayed constant for at least 50 years despite the Flynn ffect and all the changes in environmental factors.

[Anonymous No.5356061]

>>5356042
i know. /sci/ cannot into history

[Anonymous No.5356062]

>>5356054
>minnesota transracial adoption studies

there, your point is disproven

[Anonymous No.5356056]

>>5356047
>>5356047

>teh

Anyways, I replied to the wrong post. I believe I read something about mixed race "children" have highly similar IQ's and the "strong" correlation between IQ's of adoptive parents and the adopted youth.

[Anonymous No.5356064]

>>5356025
>two anecdotal evidences
>sample sizes of one person

Doesn't prove anything. Very unscientific.

Now fuck off, cuckold monster

[Anonymous No.5356065]

mfw /sci/ refuses to acknowledge science because its controversial. i guess they will just go back to arguing over religion threads...

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB115040765329081636-T5DQ4jvnwqOdVvsP_XSVG_lvgik_20060628.html

[Anonymous No.5356066]

>>5356009

Less intelligent people can't get good jobs.

Less intelligent people get addicted to drugs

Less intelligent people think stealing money from convenience-store cash registers and other peoples' homes is a good idea.

Less intelligent people don't know how to hand their own money correctly and efficiently

It's really all their fault. Especially since our race-based welfare programs and affirmative action policies have done absolutely nothing to help.

[Anonymous No.5356067]

>>5356054
>Intelligence becomes significantly more heritable when environmental hurdles to a child's development have been dismantled.
this is gonna be fun, im gonna sit back and see what happens, please continue good sir

>HOW WILL THE /POL/LACKS RESPOND?
>STAY TUNED FOR THE NEXT POST RIGHT AFTER THIS COMMERCIAL CAPTCHA

[Anonymous No.5356072]

>>5356054

Blacks score significantly lower even when income is taken into account, there have been many links posted already in this thread showing that but I'll post another.

http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQincome.htm

[Anonymous No.5356073]

why must the scientific sphere not speak up about black people being dumb and social issues? :( i was born white im special i swear

[Anonymous No.5356074]

>>5356054
Problem here is, you don't know anything about IQ to even argue your point. "Environment" in this case means serious (by 1st world standards) malnutrition. It's almost a non-issue in first world nations, and this definitely shows when comparing West African IQ to African American IQ.

[Anonymous No.5356076]

>>5356016
>you stormfags

You really think we are stormtards?

Wow. Nice ad hominems there too, still didn't disprove us, faggot.

I think OP said it best when "huge cognitive dissonance" came into play. You're full of it

[Anonymous No.5356077]

>>5356048
>seeing as how the majority of them are in urban environments and dont have 99.99% of their population spread out into suburbs

I'm sorry, but...

What?

[Anonymous No.5356078]

>/sci/ in charge of not being ass devastated over their told

[Anonymous No.5356080]

>>5355891

the whole point of free speech is to provide the means for frank discussion of things, especially the bad stuff, so that everyone will benefit, removing free speech would be counter-intuitive to preventing simplistic and reactionary ideologies.


there is already an oligarchy in place, you wont get to live your petty dream of oppressing and controlling people, you'll be down in the muck with the rest of us.

[Anonymous No.5356083]

>>5355983
OMG HE DISPROVED THE POINT WITH A FUNNY CHART!11!! DUMB STORMFAGS LEAVE NAO LOLOL

HUEHUEHUE

[Anonymous No.5356084]

>>5356059
>and all the changes in environmental factors.
blacks are still shoved into shitty urban ghettos with shit schools, for them not much has changed. Whites are very distributed in the US and only a small # of them live in urban areas, especially the shit ones.

[Anonymous No.5356089]

>>5356054
>>5355968

You should read the results of study before posting it as "proof" that some races are superior to others.

>No substantial evidence exists in favour of the idea that there are
multiple human biological species however. Arguments based on the use of comparative genetic distances between biological species that are suggestive of the idea that the distances between major racial groups within H. sapiens are greater than the distances recorded between certain other primate species; collapse on the
basis that such comparisons have been made by incautiously comparing FST estimates derived for different gene-types with different potential selection histories.

Basically, all this paper does is argue that different human races should be designated in taxonomically different ways while clearly saying that the differences between races, though present in genetics and physiology, remain superficial. It also offers no support to your "master race" bullshit.

Continued next post.

[Anonymous No.5356090]

>>5355960
Population density due to race, rather.

All them welfare babies grow up to be hood rats and shoot each other every day.

10 people have been shot in IL since Friday, all gang related. Nobody crying there.

[Anonymous No.5356094]

>>5356084
>blacks are still shoved into shitty urban ghettos with shit schools,

News to me, Last I heard they were getting free scholarships and tons of job offers for being black.

[Anonymous No.5356095]

>>5356054
>>5356054
>>5356054


>But as Drs. Bouchard and Segal have been at pains to point out from the start, this high heritability of intelligence mainly applies to nonpoor families. Raise a child hungry or diseased and environment does indeed affect IQ. Eric Turkheimer and others at the University of Virginia have shown that in the most disadvantaged families, heritability of IQ falls and the influence attributed to the shared family environment rises to 60%.

These estimates are based upon children. The rising heritability of intelligence until maturity is true for nearly all 1st world socioeconomic groups.

I can find a million citations for you, if needed. Anybody reasonably informed upon this topic would already know this. It seems to me that you're approaching this topic in an a priori manner and you cherrypick very specific pieces of data to support your worldview, while being ignorant of the big picture.

[Anonymous No.5356099]

>>5356054
>>But as Drs. Bouchard and Segal have been at pains to point out from the start, this high heritability of intelligence mainly applies to nonpoor families. Raise a child hungry or diseased and environment does indeed affect IQ. Eric Turkheimer and others at the University of Virginia have shown that in the most disadvantaged families, heritability of IQ falls and the influence attributed to the shared family environment rises to 60%.
>>In other words, hygienic, well-fed life enables people to maximize their genetic potential so that the only variation left is innate. Intelligence becomes significantly more heritable when environmental hurdles to a child's development have been dismantled.


That doesn't disprove anything.
People have known about that for decades.

If you take from rats from teh same breeding pool that have been bred to be more intellgient than most rats, and you raise some in a normal, interesting environment and you raise others in a box with no stimulation at all then the former vastly outperform the latter in tests of intellgence despite both groups having about hte same genetic potential.

And?
that doesn't change that the implicit genetic part of IQ exists.
Nobody is saying that if both your parents are intellgient and you inherit all their intelligence-causing genes then you're bound to be able to outperform a child with mediocre parents no matter what environments both of you are raised in.
Nobody is saying that environment plays no role in brain development whatsoever.

But if you're raised in similar environments then you almost certainly will outperform him. And even if he is given the best environment ever, he still won't be able to exceed his mediocre genetic limit.

[Anonymous No.5356101]

>/sci/

[Anonymous No.5356102]

>>5356089
>species
>species
>species
and Lewontin's Fallacy 3.0
>differences between races, though present in genetics and physiology, remain superficial
>one standard deviation in IQ is superficial
[continuted in da enxt post!!!]

[Anonymous No.5356103]

>>5355932
>communism
>good intentions

Very funny. Ever been to a former Soviet bloc country? No? Then shut the fuck up you ignorant liberal cunt

[Anonymous No.5356104]

>>5356089
>>5355968

>http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/full/mp201185a.html

Again, you should read the things you post. All they say is that intelligence is hereditary. Nowhere do they mention any of your master race bullshit.

Continued next post.

[Anonymous No.5356110]

>Believing that humans in different parts of the world evolved different skin colors, heights, facial structures, eyelids, hair textures, testosterone levels, bone density, muscle composition, etc. but evolved exactly the same brains

>science

Pick one

[Anonymous No.5356113]

Let me put this simply, stormfags...

None cares to waste money and resources in disproving the conclusions of your shady research since your confirmation bias is too obvious to even take them into consideration.

Also you are not Nazi Germany, you are just butthurt socially marginalized whinners that the majority won't take seriously and a "MUH DICK" response will put you back to your place. No one will go out of his way to argue against something that's a non-issue for the last 50 years.

[Anonymous No.5356115]

>>5356072
>http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQincome.htm
either i missed something or you didnt read your article there

The first SAT graph merely shows score by race WITHOUT income into account, the next one shows that blacks typically have the lowest income and the results make sense off of that. and even then

>SAT scores determining how smart you are
my sides

[Anonymous No.5356116]

>>5356084
>shit schools

That's why DC spends more on education (per student) than every other state and consistenly has the lowest scores

[Anonymous No.5356117]

>>5356104
ctrl + f master race in this thread and see how many posts you can find that are not by you
hint: it's one, and it's a joke post.
shoo yourself away, strawman champion.

[Anonymous No.5356118]

>>5356113
>a non issue

Leave your basement some time.

It's a fucking issue as long as human beings exist.

[Anonymous No.5356120]

>>5356104
>Nowhere do they mention any of your master race bullshit.

Strawmanning will not make up for your lack of evidence.

[Anonymous No.5356121]

ITT butthurt Liberal /sci/fags who just cry "RACIST, STORMFAG, /POL/ LEAVE" whenever they get mad and can't refute facts.

Face it, this board should be part of reddit you guys are such trash.

Makes me lol

[Anonymous No.5356128]

>>5356089
http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/getfile.php?file=Race.pdf
>My aim is to challenge the arguments that are usually thought to invalidate the biological concept of race. I will try to show that the way ‘‘race’’ was defined by biologists several decades ago (by Dobzhansky and others) is in no way discredited by conceptual criticisms that are now fashionable and widely regarded as cogent. These criticisms often arbitrarily burden the biological category of race with some implausible connotations, which then opens the path for a quick eliminative move. However, when properly understood, the biological notion of race proves remarkably resistant to these deconstructive attempts. Moreover, by analyzing statements of some leading contemporary scholars who support social constructivism about race, I hope to demonstrate that their eliminativist views are actually in conflict with what the best contemporary science tells us about human genetic variation.

[Anonymous No.5356129]

>>5356113
>non-issue

BWAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.5356130]

>>5355836
problemjareddiamond.jpeg

[Anonymous No.5356134]

>>5356113

> No one will go out of his way to argue against something that's a non-issue for the last 50 years.

It's not a non-issue. Leftists have been saying for years that the reason why American blacks have high unemployment, huge failure rates, and high criminality is because of "institutional racism". The real reason is their average IQ of 85 and low future time orientation.

I am sick of tired of white people being blamed for the failures of black people.

[Anonymous No.5356136]

>>5356113

All truth is an issue. It's just a matter of whether or not people accept the truth or not.

Evolution passed a similar trial of presupposition, dogma, ideologues, and other forms of anti-intellectualism.

[Anonymous No.5356137]

>>5356113

but you'll be happy to waste money and resources on flawed idea that everyone is equal despite the same shitty outcomes years after year

[Anonymous No.5356138]

>>5356113

Nice job proving all our "shady research" wrong

I especially liked all those studies you cited and how you refrained from using ad hominems such as "stormfag", "nazi", "butthurt", and "socially marginalized"

How scientific

[Anonymous No.5356139]

>>5356077
>high low, not significant, and low high are both white

care to get a properly colored one?

also
>1990
A lot has changed. For example, take el paso TX. 80% spic but in the recent years its been the safest large city in the US (500k+), by crime statistic logic that would be very, VERY unlikely. Also note el paso is not urbanized. Whereas juarez just across mexico is heavily crime ridden as an urban place.

[Anonymous No.5356140]

>>5355891

You're on a science board, can you imagine what the world would be like if the catholic chruch still restricted scientists rights? and you want no freedom of speech?

[Anonymous No.5356142]

>>5356113
>can't refute it
>get butthurt and go for the emotional attack
>/sci/ence

[Anonymous No.5356144]

>>5356104
>>5356104

>Nowhere do they mention any of your master race bullshit.

What the hell is wrong with you? Why do you find such vitriol from the notion of human populations having some meaningful innate cognitive difference?

-Every group has a pretty wide distribution of behavior, the distribution between ethnic groups intersects heavily

-Group averages alone should not impede the life of the individual

-Any scientist with a hereditarian view on this issue is not a genetic determinist, Jensen's model asserted only a partial inborn influence, for instance

-The term "master race" is largely arbitrary and relative. At the end of the day we all benefit from the effective human capital of one another

I'm not even sure it's worth debating with such a delusion reactionary

[Anonymous No.5356145]

>>5356140

/sci/ stopped being about science a long, long time ago.

[Anonymous No.5356149]

>>5356134

What can we do about it? Can you imagine the social shitstorm that would ensue at the slightest official mention of racial differences?

[Anonymous No.5356151]

>>5356116
>comparing the elite school of a country to the average of other countries.
It's not for nothing the chineese are called the jews of asia.
Not even a /pol/tard

[Anonymous No.5356152]

/sci/ told status - fucking destroyed

[Anonymous No.5356157]

Liberals have become anti-science. I weep for the future if these mindless ideologues gain any more power.

[Anonymous No.5356158]

>>5356149
We've had to do it with many other home truths that people didn't want to hear, why should this be different.

[Anonymous No.5356159]

>>5356149
You could say the same thing about preaching evolution a couple hundred years ago.

The truth takes precedent over social bullshit.

[Anonymous No.5356160]

>>5356134
i reverse googled that pic and got only blogs. care to share a link to that from the college board?

[Anonymous No.5356162]

>>5356137
>everyone is equal
You and I are not equal to Hawking and neither are we above the highest margin of intelligence for black people.
What exactly are you feeling entitled to by your skin pigmentation?

[Anonymous No.5356164]

>>5356149
actually
>Florida To Set Race-Based Academic Goals

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/florida-to-set-race-based-academic-goals/

[Anonymous No.5356165]

Why can't you fucking, dumb, ignorant white guilt liberal fucks/non-whites with inferiority complexes and secretly-racist muh race bigots simply agree that race is real in that each race has differences, which DOES NO MAGICALLY EXCLUDE THE BRAIN- INTELLIGENCE, and as well as that CULTURE (IDENTITY- blue team red team, black people white people yellow people etc) AND ENVRIONMENT MATTER when it comes to behavior.

Despite that /pol/fucks in this board I'm actually dissappointed at some of /sci/'s obvious biases and emotions when it comes to race. You're all a fucking disease to rationality and truth.

[Anonymous No.5356167]

>>5356162
Stop equating race with skin colour, we both know it's far more than that

[Anonymous No.5356168]

>>5356149

There was a social shitstorm about evolution too.

The truth is non-negotiable. This is the reality, and people will have to either accept it or be left to the squalor of darkness.

[Anonymous No.5356169]

Hi /pol/.

What if races did exist, what would happen? Retarded people would kill black people

That's just how it works

We don't want that to happen

So fuck off from /sci/

[Anonymous No.5356170]

This is fucking disgusting, I thought this board was about science not 'see who can post the most ad hominems in 10 seconds'

You should all be fucking ashamed

And /pol/, I have checked out the studies posted in this thread and you clearly have a point, although I don't consider myself racist there is definitely a difference in intelligence between races.

[Anonymous No.5356174]

>>5356165
>wants to bash /sci/ for being dumb
>doesn't want to look racist so bashes /pol/ too

It's ok friend, we know you agree.

[Anonymous No.5356175]

>>5356149

We better get used to it quick because in 20 years, the reality of cognitive racial differences will be definitive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MOnQPXuU81Q#t=1756s

[Anonymous No.5356177]

>>5356170
>>5356170

>thinking regular browsers of /sci/ aren't the ones arguing for intellectual honesty

[Anonymous No.5356185]

>>5356162

Nothing. We are entitling ourselves to nothing.

Unfortunately, every racial pride group besides white has universal social acceptance.

You either address all instances of it, or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.5356188]

>>5356170

What are you, some kind of Nazi racist bigot neo-Nazi skinhead who wants to kill 6 billion Jews?

[Anonymous No.5356189]

>>5356169
OR we would abolish affirmative action and other policies of race discrimination, and start a programme of POSITIVE eugenics based on the simple fact that intelligence is hereditary. How about that?

[Anonymous No.5356190]

>>5356169
>what if evolution did exist? retarded people would go and kill creationists
>that's just how it works
>we don't want that to happen
>so fuck off from /sci/

[Anonymous No.5356191]

>>5356169

>emotional argument
>thinking you can predict the future

Good job. Have a lollipop.

[Anonymous No.5356193]

>>5356144
How about some statistics and proven facts instead of trying to make your uncited opinions sound as reasonable as possible

[Anonymous No.5356196]

How do you deny racial differences? How do you deny very basic factors of evolution?

[Anonymous No.5356203]

>>5356162
Oh please, don't try and turn this on me. Current mainstream ideology does produce optimum results. Yet most are afraid to admit so in public out of fear of being ostracized. Or they are just delusional like most of /sci/ seems to be.

[Anonymous No.5356198]

>>5356170

You have entered the mouth of the rabbit hole

You can only go deeper now

[Anonymous No.5356200]

>>5356169
How about blacks stop blaming the white man for every failure they make?

How about affirmative action is ended?

How about white pride groups being acceptable? every other race is allowed to be proud, but god forbid you're white and proud of your ancestors accomplishments, that's just racist nazi talk

[Anonymous No.5356207]

>>5356016
LOL dumbass thats an original quote from Hitler about the jews. Wow.......

[Anonymous No.5356208]

>>5356169
Most of /pol/ is just saying that acknowledging the reality of racial differences (which are in no way insignificant as you autistic math-lovers claim) is important if the idea of diversity and immigration is considered. Not only that, but there are further cultural problems in that individuals of certain races instinctually see others that are of the same race as part of "the same team", unless of course you are so fucking brainwashed that you believe otherwise, but even then many liberal-minded pussies whites discriminate discriminate against other Whites.

[Anonymous No.5356209]

>>5356169
So now we've retreated from making arguments and resorted to "the truth will hurt people." If this doesn't prove we're right, I don't know what will.

[Anonymous No.5356211]

>>5356020

[Anonymous No.5356213]

>>5356167
"Race" is statistical recombination of genetic traits which is hardly indicative of personality/intelligence on individual basis.

Stormfags just want to feel superior and want to be treated as superior to brown people.

[Anonymous No.5356215]

>>5356104
>>5355968

>http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx

Now here is one which should support your point. Here, I went and got the actual essay for you:

http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

Now, we'll ignore the validity of IQ as an iFirst of all, let's quote part of the article:

>In their article, Rushton and Jensen also address some of the policy issues that stem from their conclusions. Their main recommendation is that people be treated as individuals, not as members of groups. They emphasized that their paper pertains only to average differences. They also called for the need to accurately inform the public about the true nature of individual and group differences, genetics and evolutionary biology.

Second of all, this study has many irregularities. As an example, it goes to claim the the IQ differences are due to genetics while also mentioning average cranial capacity (the latter of which has been debunked many, many times as being related to intelligence). However, when approaching the fact that culture, poverty, nutrition or any other factors might influence their results, we hit a wall of "No, because we said so."

Now, of course, they point to adopted children or simply people of other races living in better or worse conditions than their average peers, quoting that "Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower." There are two issues with this:

1. The data was obtained with a small population.

2. Said population lived entirely in one place, Minnesota.

We can hence conclude that the data obtained from this research is dubious at best. And it's the best you have to offer.

[Anonymous No.5356218]

>>5356213
If it was just about white people wanting to feel superior, why would they acknowledge asians have higher IQs?

[Anonymous No.5356222]

>>5355518
I clapped.

[Anonymous No.5356225]

>>5356209
This.

Arguments due to perceived result essentially boil down to things like...

"But without a belief in God, no one would act like a good person! Religion is required for all moral direction!"

No one can predict the future. People are as they are, and so is reality.

[Anonymous No.5356226]

>>5356213
All of the genetic traits are correlated with IQ differences and IQ is commonly accepted to be widely genetic.
>Stormfags
Keep the ad-hominems coming, it doesn't make you any less of a fucking liar.

[Anonymous No.5356232]

>>5356213
>hardly indicative of personality/intelligence on individual basis.
citation needed

I think I understand the point you're trying to make. If someone is black or a mudskin does that mean he's genetically inferior? Of course not, all races have people from a wide spectrum of genetic superiority. However, statistically speaking, blacks for example, will be less likely to be intelligent compared to any other race.

[CisBolt !zXLoe8.R5o No.5356239]

>>5355628
Modern "racists" talk in terms of Aboriginals and Africans, not "darkies".

You need to update your arguments.

[Anonymous No.5356242]

>>5356215

>Now, we'll ignore the validity of IQ as an intelligence measure to simplify this.

Sorry, part of the post got cut off.

[Anonymous No.5356244]

>>5356213

You realize these same tests show that both Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are more intelligent than whites, right?

I thought "stormfags" hated Jews.

Clearly, you have zero evidence, and nowhere left to run to. You've resorted to making emotional arguments and calling people names.
You've lost the argument if you can no longer defend your point. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.5356247]

>>5356203
*"does not"

[Anonymous No.5356252]

>>5356218
>>5356218

stormfriend here

Asians have higher average IQ levels than white people. I just want to preserve my people from genocide and avoid violence being brought on by multiculturalism.

[Anonymous No.5356255]

>>5355700
You didn't adress his image, which shows that races match up to haplogroups almost exactly.

[Anonymous No.5356256]

>>5355628
>One simply cannot scientifically use "race" as a legitimate term for anything.
How hypocritical considering your entire argument is about race being nothing but skin color

[Anonymous No.5356258]

/sci/, of all boards, not admitting the importance of averages?

lel, mudskins detected

[Anonymous No.5356261]

>>5356215

You do realize that the adoption study has a sample size that does indeed hold up to statistical scrutiny, right?

Keep moving the goalposts to support your religion of Egalitarianism without any proof whatsoever though. It's really entertaining to see you stumble over yourself.

[Anonymous No.5356269]

>>5356193
>>5356193

>How about some statistics and proven facts instead of trying to make your uncited opinions sound as reasonable as possible

I understand the whole "burden of proof" thing, but seriously. If you were interested, you would already know of the data. Just do some personal research on Google, buy/pirate some books on the topic, and really just keep an open mind.

I'd recommend Steven Pinkers defense of the Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence research paper on youtube. Read "The Blank Slate" by him too.

Read the research of James Flynn and learn the counterarguments to it (only informed and logical soft egalitarian I've ever heard of).

The abridged version of The Bell Curve is available on youtube. The data is a tad outdated, but it is still reasonable.

Read some of the arguments from Hans Eysenck.

Brainwashing Norway documentary is a decent start, but doesn't have much hard data in it.

Learn about the G factor and its correlates. Get well versed upon heritability.

Read the abridged version of "Race, Evolution, and Behavior". There is some huge flaws with his data and I tend to disagree with many of his views. But the book does illustrate some of the hereditarian arguments decently. Be sure to look up the criticisms of the book before you begin.

[Anonymous No.5356271]

>>5356244
I have hardly taken a position in the thread. Was just pointing out that minor statistical deviations between largely inclusive groups of people are not an excuse to claim "superiority", stereotyping and mistreating people that look different.

[Anonymous No.5356272]

>>5356213
no... we want to save our people and get our brothers and sisters to act in our collective interest. We want to be able to band togeather like all the other tribes do to protect themselves.. Demographics show white people are killing themselves, We breed responsibly and let in immigrants who have babies like see turtles and callously let them venture into the ocean with nothing while we have to support them with welfare and foodstamps. We are being tricked into dysgenics where we are supporting free riders to our detriment.

This must come to an end because we dont want the beauty that white people create to disappear from this world

[Anonymous No.5356275]

>>5356261

It holds up to statistical scrutiny when talking about the people living in fucking Minnesota, not the entire goddam world.

[Anonymous No.5356276]

Must not give in... must not red pill....

[Anonymous No.5356281]

>>5356275
You could say this about any non-worldwide study dumbass

[Anonymous No.5356282]

Racial differences aren't just about being categorized into

>white
>black
>asian
>middle eastern
>american native

Obviously evolution would result in there being an unlimited number of different racial groups through basic evolution concepts that apply to
every living thing on the planet.

There are niggers in Africa that have 60 IQ, and there are niggers that were part of ruling classes in their societies and thus would be much more genetically superior. Same with India and every other nation. However, this still doesn't deny the fact that the largest racial groups will have significant differences between one another on average. Not just simply through intelligence but through genetic success.

[Anonymous No.5356290]

>>5356258

Liberals are to blame. They have a religion, and it's called egalitarianism.

Any affront to this, and they will keep moving the goalposts until you've taken every individual on the face of the earth, calculated their IQ and controlled for all possibe variables except for race, added up their average IQ, and then find all genes that could possibly correlate with IQ in any way, shape or form.

And even then, I imagine many of them still won't accept it.

[Anonymous No.5356294]

>>5356275

You really fucking think blacks and whites in Minnesota are vastly different from other parts of the US, like that they evolved on a completely different path or something?

Fucking please, even if it was done on the whole US you would still claim the sample size was too small

[Anonymous No.5356295]

>>5356275

You do realize that the blacks in Minnesota are probably ever so slightly more intelligent than the blacks in the Southern states and especially the blacks in Africa, right?

[Anonymous No.5356299]

>>5356275

So no study is valid unless it takes its sample from the entire world.

Good lord, egalitarianism IS a religion.

[Anonymous No.5356300]

>>5356299

If a study is going to make claims about the entire world, then it has to take samples from the entire world.

[Anonymous No.5356301]

>>5356299

see:
>>5356110

[Anonymous No.5356311]

>>5356300

"Humans are the same all over the world"
"If a study is going to make claims about the entire world, then it has to take samples from the entire world."

Liberal creationism: not even once.

[Anonymous No.5356306]

>>5356255
Haplogroups indicate, not dictate, phylogeny and consequently valid taxonomical grouping.

Even if blacks where somehow below chimps in term of intelligence you still can't define a phylogenetically valid taxa out of it.

That would be almost like making a subspecies out of people with sickle-cell anaemia.

[Anonymous No.5356307]

>>5356300

It makes claims about the US only

[Anonymous No.5356309]

>>5356269
>>5356269

I almost forgot to add that some knowledge in developmental economics is really valuable also.

Read "How Deep are the Roots of Economic Development" for instance.

[Anonymous No.5356313]

>>5356300
No, you fucking idiot, it has to have ENOUGH of a sample size that we can assume all groups are as similar as possible to the sample being studied. Fucking moron, why are you even in /sci/?

[Anonymous No.5356315]

>>5356269
>Learn about the G factor

https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arthur-jensen-the-g-factor-the-science-of-m
ental-ability.pdf

Here is a (fairly large) pdf file of everything you'll need to know. It's a long read, but it's worth every minute.

[Anonymous No.5356317]

Why are we even arguing with these fucktards?

[Anonymous No.5356323]

>>5356311

>implying I said humans are the same all over the world

[Anonymous No.5356327]

>>5356317
great argument.

Now go do some algebra, you fucking autist.

[Anonymous No.5356333]

>>5356317

Keep the ad hominems flowing

[Anonymous No.5356334]

>>5356271

No one is claiming one race is inferior or superior in every single way.

[Anonymous No.5356342]

>>5356317
>lol guise i picked a thread where ppl said silly things

I'll make sure to screencap all the posts from "/sci/entists" itt to make an equally shitty pic.

[Anonymous No.5356343]

>>5356269
>I understand the whole "burden of proof" thing, but seriously. If you were interested, you would already know of the data. Just do some personal research on Google, buy/pirate some books on the topic, and really just keep an open mind.
Why would you assume that I know nothing about the topic and aren't simply just pointing out the fact you posted a bunch of bullshit without any factual evidence? Actually it seems as if you're implying that you are some kind of unquestionable source on evolution that is trying to educate me with his illogical statements.

>Every group has a pretty wide distribution of behavior, the distribution between ethnic groups intersects heavily
Amazing, you recommended Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence and The Bell Curve which disprove your own words, both sources showing how there are CLEAR differences between intelligence and we are not "intersected heavily" like you imply.
>-Group averages alone should not impede the life of the individual
Statistics do not lie. Group individuals vary but the AVERAGE between racial groups is unquestionable which is what we are talking about.
>Any scientist with a hereditarian view on this issue is not a genetic determinist, Jensen's model asserted only a partial inborn influence, for instance
Having hereditarian views is the same thing as having genetic determinist views you fucking retard
>
-The term "master race" is largely arbitrary and relative. At the end of the day we all benefit from the effective human capital of one another
How would one benefit from those genetically inferior to him other than to exploit and abuse them. Through eugenics we would have a society where everyone is valuable.

[scotlib !ltfYQ8gaww No.5356344]

>>5356276
Incredible amount of samefagging by redpill /pol/ faggots in here

[Anonymous No.5356346]

>>5356323

You didn't say it, but you believe it.

[Anonymous No.5356350]

>>5356323

You still claim it's mostly because of environment, which is demonstrably false.

[Anonymous No.5356352]

>>5356272
>This must come to an end because we dont want the beauty that white people create to disappear from this world
I'd rather a hot Shangai azn and have a better chance for intelligent descedants, because fuck your inheritage culture! I can preserve the positive cultural aspects of my ethnicity (which is more exclusive than hurrrr durrrrr WHITE SUPREMACY spouted by descedants of Germanic barbarians, that re-inevted writing in 600AC, and self hating Argentinian-spics) even within a mixed culture.

[Anonymous No.5356355]

>>5356025
>One of the greatest philosophers and scientists of this century

No, absolutely no. He has a lot of knowledge but other than removing Pluto from the planetary list, he is nothing more than a scientific entertainer who tries to appeal to pop-culture.

[Anonymous No.5356359]

>Why can't you guys admit there are differences amongst races?
>excuses, excuses everywhere
Fuck, it's like I'm in opposite-/pol/. Is /sci/ like only for straight up math? Jeez

[Anonymous No.5356360]

So... what are the races? What are their dividing lines? Why are those lines deemed significant differences?

[Anonymous No.5356362]

>>5356244
>You realize these same tests show that both Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are more intelligent than whites, right?
>I thought "stormfags" hated Jews.
Not denying racial differences makes you a white supremacist? Beautiful execution of a fallacy!

[Anonymous No.5356372]

>>5356360
it's plainly obvious just by looking at history and the development of cultural groups worldwide

[Anonymous No.5356373]

>>5356360

So... what are mountains? What are their dividing lines? Why are those lines deemed significant differences?

Just because there's some overlap between different population groups doesn't mean those population groups don't exist.

[Anonymous No.5356379]

>>5356352
Why don't you just move to shanghai instead of bringing the whole 3rd world to the country you live in to please your sexual desires?

[Anonymous No.5356386]

>>5356144
>the distribution between ethnic groups intersects heavily
This would actually promote the concept of racial differences. Blacks in Africa are intellectually inferior to Blacks in white countries. Mixing between the races resulted in blacks who are more intelligent.

[Anonymous No.5356392]

>>5356372
>>5356373

Excellent and very convenient. Glad to hear that.

So what's the answer?

[Anonymous No.5356393]

>>5356343
>>5356343

>Amazing, you recommended Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence and The Bell Curve which disprove your own words, both sources showing how there are CLEAR differences between intelligence and we are not "intersected heavily" like you imply.

Depends how you define "heavy". If you're comparing Ashkenazi Jews to African Americans, perhaps I'd agree.

>Statistics do not lie. Group individuals vary but the AVERAGE between racial groups is unquestionable which is what we are talking about.

You're preaching to the choir. I am just arguing that the distribution within a group is wide enough for an individualistic approach to be warranted.

>Having hereditarian views is the same thing as having genetic determinist views you fucking retard

Define "genetic determinist". The mainstream hereditarian argument does not assert that ethnic inequality is wholly inherited.

>How would one benefit from those genetically inferior to him other than to exploit and abuse them. Through eugenics we would have a society where everyone is valuable.

Value in my eyes is determined by market demand. The idea that there isn't a demand for unskilled labor is objectively false in most modern economies.

[Anonymous No.5356395]

>>5356386

The average black person in America has a 15-20% white admixture.

They got a slight IQ upgrade by interbreeding.

[Anonymous No.5356399]

Today you disappointed me sci. I expected rational discussion between anonymous individuals, instead I got emotion.

It is clear that some topics are too "scary" for sci to discuss.

[Anonymous No.5356404]

>>5356360
The lines are immigration/slave trade to America making hereditarily dinstinguishable groups of people.

Having dinstinct populations from the beginning and all of them being forced to speak english made it impossible for priviliged white-nationalist murkans to realise that barriers between ethnicities are mostly religious/linguistic and that genetic and cultural distribution is rather smooth and non-fragmented for most parts of the world.

[Anonymous No.5356409]

>>5356395
>>5356395

>The average black person in America has a 15-20% white admixture.

>They got a slight IQ upgrade by interbreeding.

At least pretend you understand the hereditarian arguments.

[Anonymous No.5356412]

>>5356392

Give this a read. We can now pinpoint someone's racial ancestry by the human variants Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid.

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/magazine/16-01/ps_dna

Different geographical origins created different humans.

[Anonymous No.5356419]

>>5356392

The answer is that there are 3 macroraces:

Asians (East Asians, Pacific Islanders, Amerindians)
Blacks (Sub-Saharan Africans)
and Caucasians (Europeans, Middle Easterners, Indians)

Then there are those who are a mixture of two or more races (Mestizo Mexicans, for example)

[Anonymous No.5356421]

>>5356409
Why? He is partially correct. The other, perhaps more significant component is their superior nutrition.

[Anonymous No.5356424]

>>5356393
>The mainstream hereditarian argument does not assert that ethnic inequality is wholly inherited.

it is 77% inherited.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62jZENi1ed8&list=FL9eDOwp3nDsHdo8yCM3BhAA

[Anonymous No.5356427]

>>5356392

Hows that cognitive dissonance working out for you?

[Anonymous No.5356434]

I am extremely disappointed in you /sci/.

You're behaving like religious people. The thing you believe in is that there are no mean differences in the brains of different ethnicities of human beings, despite there being measurable differences in allele distributions of the gene pools of different ethnicities that result in significant differences in other attributes.

Why are you holding on to this belief?
Why is this your null assumption ,when you all acknowledge the pther differences between different ethnic groups?

I'm just so disappointed at how unscientific you're being.

[Anonymous No.5356435]

>>5356404

Barriers between ETHNICIES are.

Race =/= ethnicity.

[Anonymous No.5356440]

>>5356434

Egalitarianism is the new religion of the West. These people are worse than creationists.

[Anonymous No.5356442]

>>5356434

>Ethnic

Stop that. Ethnicity is not race.

[Anonymous No.5356443]

>>5356427
What dissonance. It's a bloody question I'd simply like an answer to. You're reading intentions that aren't there. Stop being paranoid.

[Anonymous No.5356448]

>>5356169
Is this how people actually think? Christ

[Anonymous No.5356449]

>>5356440
>liberal retard can't juggle all his regurgitated talking points in the face of truth
lol

[Anonymous No.5356452]

>>5356443

You're the one asking "what is race".

If there was no such thing as race, would you be okay with the entire world being 100% populated by white people?

[Anonymous No.5356455]

>>5356442
Race is just an informal, unscientific, layman's term for ethnicity.

[Anonymous No.5356459]

>>5356455
I don't think I have an adequate reaction image for this type of idiocy.

[Anonymous No.5356461]

>>5356455

"Ethnicity" also implies religious and cultural differences. It's inherently misleading.

[Anonymous No.5356465]

>>5356393
>Depends how you define "heavy"
The white ancestry in African Americans range from 10% to 20% on average. The Bell Curve shows the heavy racial differences in IQ between races as do the studies cited earlier in this thread. Compare American blacks to African and you'll see huge genetic differences, all that resulting from simply 10%-20% white genetic ancestry, like this guy said
>>5356386
Also as you said yourself, Ashkenazi being heavily isolated resulted in much higher intellect through being ethnically pure.
>You're preaching to the choir. I am just arguing that the distribution within a group is wide enough for an individualistic approach to be warranted.
Correct but the original argument was racial differences are a fact, and concepts such as affirmative action are built off the notion of environmental disadvantages, thus should be removed, as the entire point is that environment results in little difference.
>Define "genetic determinist". The mainstream hereditarian argument does not assert that ethnic inequality is wholly inherited.
Genetic determinists do not believe that racial differences are 100% hereditary either, but simply that genetics are a much larger factor than environment
>Value in my eyes is determined by market demand. The idea that there isn't a demand for unskilled labor is objectively false in most modern economies.
Yes, true, America in many ways benefited off slavery. However, that is not the original point being made. Concepts such as Affirmative Action must be removed, by denying racial differences we are giving those that are less competent more advantages. Imagine if we were in a caste society, that had been naturally evolved from a society with groups that had racial differences, how logical would it be to give someone from the low castes a position of power

[Anonymous No.5356473]

>>5356419
That's what American studies claim.

I have no citation right now but research from larger samples strongly indicate that subsaharan blacks are at least paraphyletic towards the rest of human population (like being the original genetic pool of all contemporary humans). Also Aethiopians, Somalians, Eritrean and northeastern black ethnicities in general have a considerably greater haplogroup exchange ratio with caucasoid populations from north Africa and Palestine than with subsaharans from the Congo basin or middle/southern Africa, to the point to of considerer genetically "closer" to Europeans than to the average African.

[Anonymous No.5356474]

>>5356452

Is the concept of race not the topic at hand? The original question wanted to address differences between races; I wanted to know just how people are defining these races and what differences they're looking at when they ask this question.

Frankly I don't see what you're getting so worked up about. Perhaps you need a minute or two away from the topic to calm your nerves. Probably a woman.

[Anonymous No.5356477]

>>5356355
>He has a lot of knowledge but other than removing Pluto from the planetary list,

When does a celestial object stop being a planet and become a dwarf planet. It seems like an arbitrary descriptor without much scientific merit or explanatory power

[Anonymous No.5356481]

>>5356461
Uh okay, maybe to uneducated laymen.

If two people ofr Nigerian stock adopt a baby of Irish stock, that adoptee doesn't become "Of black ethnicity" or "of african ethnicity" just because he was raised in that culture.

Seriously. Ethnicity means your stock. Your genetic extraction. Where the majority of your ancestors have lived for the last 10000 or more years.

Any other understanding of the word is due ot misuse by politicians and other laymen, and any other understanding of the word in this kind of (what's meant to be a) scientific discussion is just moronic. like >>5356459

[Anonymous No.5356490]

>>5356481
go read Cavalli-Sforza such as the one from >>5356427

ethnicities are, at best, subracial groups. having this argument makes no sense to begin with.

[Anonymous No.5356491]

>>5356474
Some people just tend to mix conventional terms like race with ethnicity and haplogroups to promote their political agendas.

[Anonymous No.5356496]

>>5356419
Notice how every single racial group in that had at one point or another advanced civilization are all genetically close, while every increasingly isolated group never created anything. Racial superiority is hard to deny is it not

[Anonymous No.5356508]

There are so many fake scientists in here. There have been studies on the differences between races, SCIENTIFIC studies, and they show distinct differences between races. A scientist who denies the outcome of research data because zomg it doesn't fit social or political views should be fired and only allowed to work at McDonald's.

[Anonymous No.5356516]

>>5355877
What. What

This is exactly what you are saying

> I claim that skull sizes mean differences in brain function
> My claim is indisputable
> If you disagree, you are doing so on faith

That's some fucking troll logic right there, /pol/.

[Anonymous No.5356517]

>>5356496
>what is geographic proximity?
Shit son! Do you think that the reason early civilization flourished around the mediterranean, the Nile and Euphrates river while "master race" germanics were clubbing each other with wooden clubs and smoked cod is purely genetic ?

[Anonymous No.5356526]

>>5356516
Ok, you're right. By the same token, your dog is the same intelligence as you. Because brain size is in no way positively correlated with intelligence.

[Anonymous No.5356533]

>>5356490
we're agreeing with each other.

when we say "the white race" we really mean people of european stock and we consider this measurable by allele frequencies and distributions.

It's simply more precise to talk about ethnicities, which specifies that kind of geographic origin (for the last 10000 or so years) than simply "white" or "black", when for example, many people would consider jews to be "white" when infact they're of semitic origin. and should be considered a distinct ethnicity from anglo saxons, gauls, celts, scandinavians, teutons, and other ethincities that would be considered "white".

[Anonymous No.5356534]

>>5356508
Scientific studies on "race" is at best forensic studies.

No reputable anthropologist/historian outside the US will use such an inclusive and barely usable term in his research since it's poorly defined and practically useless.

[Anonymous No.5356540]

>>5356517
That's actually just your lack of education showing. Germanics were in no way less civilized than Mediterraneans by metrics such as infant mortality rate and life expectancy, and the so called fall of the Roman Empire was a very gradual process in which Germanic peoples preserved Rome's culture and institutions. Go take your high school knowledge of history elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.5356541]

>>5356526
Nice strawman, pleb.

[Anonymous No.5356550]

Straight away
>go back to /pol/
Then the usual "arguments"
>skin color is the only difference
>race doesnt exist
>stop being racist
>muh feelings

[Anonymous No.5356556]

>>5356540
>by metrics such as infant mortality rate and life expectancy
Which is proof of their cultural superiority to people making Ziggurats, Pyramids and Acropolis and inventing the alphabet, mathematics and astronomy.

Yeah... I am pretty sure that Romans treating the germanics as lowly barbarians were much different than the contemporary anglosphere treating brownies as subhuman.

[Anonymous No.5356557]

>>5356517
>germanics clubbed each other with wooden clubs
>still end up creating an advanced civilization
what's your point exactly?

[Anonymous No.5356560]

>>5356517
Germanics had a more primitive society because of a more harsh environment. The exact same reason, that because of their environment, they evolved and developed higher intellect and eventually ended up conquering Mediterranean civilizations.

[Anonymous No.5356566]

/pol/ cant science they still worship Jeebus

[The Ambassador !!nBmNIxfTgCn No.5356570]

>>5356566

Come over to our neck of the woods and say that. You'll be laughed off the board.

[Anonymous No.5356572]

>>5356557
>what's your point exactly?
see:
>>5356517
>>what is geographic proximity?
Favourable environmental conditions are more important for cultural advance than genetics.

Less relevant but still a thorn to stormfags side: It's also an indication that cultural dominance of nothern european people was largely due to militant colonialism by means inherited largely from the mediterranean civilization.

[Anonymous No.5356574]

>>5356566
/sci/ can't science, they ignore facts

[Anonymous No.5356575]

>>5356572
>inherited
Meant to say "taken".

[Anonymous No.5356576]

>>5356566
>hurr ignore the topic at hand

Truth is niggers gonna nig and kikes gonna kike.

[Anonymous No.5356579]

>>5356566
>ignores facts because of muh feelings
>LOL WHATEVER I DO WHAT I WANT

[Anonymous No.5356580]

[Anonymous No.5356578]

[Anonymous No.5356588]

[Anonymous No.5356589]

>>5356560
>nothern europeans defeated the Roman empire because of higher intellect
Yeah I am pretty sure that's the case.

[Anonymous No.5356592]

>>5355430
3/10

[Anonymous No.5356595]

JOURNAL OF BLACKS IN HIGHER EDUCATION
http://www.jbhe.com/

But income alone does not explain the racial scoring gap. Consider these facts:

Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 980. This is 123 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.

Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 46 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.

Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 142 points below the mean score for whites from families at the same income level.

[Anonymous No.5356597]

why are leftists such creationists?

hurrdurr one hooman race!

[Anonymous No.5356602]

>>5356589
>implying I said that
I simply noted how they evolved to the point where they had the capabilities of defeating the Romans. You wouldn't see niggers successfully invading Rome now would you?

[Anonymous No.5356603]

why are liberals trying to suppress science?

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB115040765329081636-T5DQ4jvnwqOdVvsP_XSVG_lvgik_20060628.html

why do they try and destroy anyone that searches for truth?

[Anonymous No.5356604]

>>5356592
Did you ignore the whole thread proving that races exist and that they have inherent genetic differences?

of course you did.

[Anonymous No.5356607]

>>5356566
>http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB115040765329081636-T5DQ4jvnwqOdVvsP_XSVG_lvgik_20060628.h
tml
lol /pol/ hates religion

[Anonymous No.5356609]

>>5356604
And they call themselves open-minded.

Only when it's in support of their own delusional utopia of course.

[Anonymous No.5356612]

lol

It's so obvious to know which post in this thread is from /soc/ and /pol/.

[Anonymous No.5356615]

BUTTMAD LELBERALS ERRYWHERE

[Anonymous No.5356621]

>>5355502
Half nigger here. I approve of this post.

[Anonymous No.5356624]

>that because of their environment, they evolved and developed higher intellect and eventually ended up conquering Mediterranean civilizations.
selection of the fittest =/= selection of the smartest

Nothern Europeans did not have the selective pressure to develope intellectually. What mattered the most was who had the biggest iron club to raid neighbouring villages and all smart had to do with it would be what tribe would ambush the other first.

[Anonymous No.5356627]

>>5356020
Wow.

[Anonymous No.5356637]

>>5356621
Man that must suck.

Sorry to hear that.
CAPTCHA: HUMAN

[Anonymous No.5356638]

>>5356604
>proving that races exist
Nope. You just made some arguments to define the concept on scientific ground.

[Anonymous No.5356647]

The inferiority of the savage negro beast seems far too documented at this point across the ages. After reading the color of crime (which is peer reviewed as fuck btw), everything became more and more clear.

Since leftists love their new best friends the Arabs so much I'll leave you with the quotes of some great Arab intellectuals

>, the Egyptian historian Al-Abshibi (1388-1446) wrote: "It is said that when the [black] slave is sated, he fornicates, when he is hungry, he steals."

>Al-Dimashqi (Ibn al-Nafis), the Arab polymath, also described the inhabitants of Sudan and the Zanj coast, among others, as being of "dim" intelligence and that:"...the moral characteristics found in their mentality are close to the instinctive characteristics found naturally in animals."

>Al-Jahiz also stated in his Kitab al-Bukhala ("Avarice and the Avaricious") that:"We know that the Zanj (blacks) are the least intelligent and the least discerning of mankind, and the least capable of understanding the consequences of their actions."

[Anonymous No.5356651]

>>5356306
Well, right now our haplogroups have shitty names, why not just name them after the races if they match them?

[Anonymous No.5356652]

>>5356409
>>5356395
It's not that high.

Black Americans usually have around 5-15%, but yes it can go that high without being considered recently mixed.

Also, White Americans can also have up to 10% African and/or Native American admixture.

[Anonymous No.5356655]

>>5356638
Was that a joke?

[Anonymous No.5356675]

>>5356655
Let me rephrase:

You proved that race exists as a concept (duh)

and managed to make some arguments that it loosely correlates to natural taxonomic groups and genetic attributes.

[Anonymous No.5356683]

>>5355461
>any difference in intelligence is minimal, non-existant, or entirely due to environmental factors.
Please explain this to me then.

[Anonymous No.5356690]

>>5355785

[Anonymous No.5356694]

>>5356675
You? You mean me.

[Anonymous No.5356698]

>>5355560
indians are pretty stupid too

the dark ones anyways

[Anonymous No.5356705]

[Anonymous No.5356714]

Races are an unscientific classification. Please use haplogroups instead. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.5356718]

>>5356637
Yeah man it does...neither do them white folk or even niggers accept me to be among them.(not that I would like to be accepted by subhumans)

Oh well; here's hoping to the world actually ending in 6 days.

[Anonymous No.5356725]

>>5356683
>any difference in intelligence is minimal
mostly true, at least greatly overlapping between individuals

>non-existant
strawman

>entirely due to environmental factors.
>entirely
Not entirely, they probably just contribute more than genetics since they are wider spectruum of factors.

Also "MUH DICK!"

Enjoy Jews and Chinks using the same arguments against you as moral justification for discrimination when they will have taken over.

[Anonymous No.5356740]

>>5356725
>Enjoy Jews and Chinks using the same arguments against you as moral justification for discrimination when they will have taken over.

Pretty sure they'd do that anyway if they somehow took over, regardless of whether or not we did.

In fact, it could be argued the only way we could stop them taking over is by actively discriminating now

[Anonymous No.5356741]

>>5356683
>SAT scores
>Scientific
I'd be tempted to believe you if you got me something like IQ scores.

[Anonymous No.5356742]

>>5356741
If we post those, we get told IQ doesn't mean anything

[Anonymous No.5356746]

>>5356741
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Correlations_with_IQ

It correlates highly.

[Anonymous No.5356748]

Holy hell, that's a lot of samefag

[Anonymous No.5356752]

>>5356742
It really doesn't, but it means far more than SAT scores.

[Anonymous No.5356753]

>>5356741

Those get posted on /pol/ all the fucking time.

The opposition then usually goes on a tirade about how IQ tests are biased or don't mean anything.

I'm thinking that's the perceived case here, so they haven't bothered posting them yet.

[Anonymous No.5356755]

>>5356748
>people with similar opinions
>must be samefag

[Anonymous No.5356758]

Culture plays a much more important factor in determining intelligence than genetics. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.5356759]

>How can you be so logical in all other fields, but just have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to race?

Any subject that involves a human element will always be provocative because people can't syphon out their shit assumptions and ten second observations (they'll claim it's "years" of study) for a minute and examine the situation carefully with a clear mind.

And for some reason conversations dealing with "race" always, ALWAYS comes down to superiority/inferiority complexes. I have no idea why it is, but it just does. Just because one section of society "have" or "not have" the same quality in a particular trait on average than another section of society does not mean they are worth more or less, it just means they're good at different activities.

You would think people would be happy about this since it prevents crowding in one area as much as it would if everyone was good in the same trait. But of course like the insufferable jackasses we are we still bitch about it and say...

>HUR HE/SHE/THEY NOT SUCCESSFUL AS ME/WE/THEY IN X/Y/Z THEREFORE THEY MUST BE SHIT AND NOT WORTHY OF THE GLORIOUSNESS THAT IS US!!!

This is you, this is me, this is everyone currently right now. Acting like a bunch of autistics fucks because we still fucking believe there is some ultimate end goal beyond the basics of survival in this universe.

These threads rustle my jimmies so fucking much it's not even funny.

[Anonymous No.5356760]

>>5356758
This thread.

[Anonymous No.5356764]

>>5356760
This thread has merely shown that there is a difference between races that goes beyond economic status.

[Anonymous No.5356768]

>>5356741

k

[Anonymous No.5356770]

>>5356764
Read a little more on how much IQ is hereditary.

I'm out.

[Anonymous No.5356823]

>this thread
>Marxism is winning this war
>facts can't turn it around

[Anonymous No.5356832]

Once we red pill enough here we can turn /sci/ into a mixture of /sci/ and /pol/.

Then once the smartest board has been annexed we can proceed to take over all of 4chan!

DEUS VULT!!!!!

[Anonymous No.5356843]

>Neil DeGrasse Tyson

Every. Single. Fucking. Time. this retarded nigger keeps getting mentioned by leftards and niggers like he's the smartest niggers have to offer. The reality is, he's nothing more than a shitty pop scientist who accomplished and contributed fucking nothing. Hell, the average research grad student on /sci/ has contributed more than that nigger who only BARELY got by on his white genetics and AA into his position today. The only reason libtards and niggers mention him is because these dipshits saw him on television and think somehow that makes niggers equal to other races and that he's the greatest nigger who ever lived. The sad thing is, there are scientists trillions of times more accomplished appearing right next to him but this retarded nigger gets all the attention for the sheer fact he's a nigger. If he wasn't a nigger, nobody would give a shit about him. He's not a fucking nobel laureate, he's not a fields medalist, he hasn't contributed any new knowledge to science, he's fucking nothing except a shill to says corny ass shit on terrible networks full of pseudoscience, mystic mumbo jumbo, voodoo, junk protoscience, and pseudohistory aliumz.

[Anonymous No.5356844]

>>5356683
>raw income==standard of living/culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity

hurr durr

[Anonymous No.5356847]

>>5356764
...and that difference, like all manifestations of race, is genetic.
Come on. You're ALMOST there.

[Anonymous No.5356851]

why

[Anonymous No.5356853]

>>5356843
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you didnt use enough of this word.
use more next time

[Anonymous No.5356916]

keep it alive

[Anonymous No.5357079]

I like the liberals falling for hitler quote thing

it just goes to show that we're all alike in the end

"Liberalism is a disease of the mind that weakens and corrupts human beings."

even if we're opposite!

captcha: against himself