/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.5350040]

Tell me why shouldn't I believe that the government trying to create super soldiers.
Human soldiers with DNA's of animals such as gorilla for strength, mongoose for brain activity (reflex), and reptiles for fast regeneration, etc.
They might just create John-117 by other means of altering human DNA with other animals' DNA. I need answers /sci/!

[Anonymous No.5350047]

>>5350040
becasue the government would never do something so cool.

[Anonymous No.5350048]

because a nanosuit is more plausible than altering dna

[Anonymous No.5350067]

>>5350048
Yea because the mass production of nanosuits is less cheaper then creating one perfect super soldier and mass producing it.
>>5350047
Why not? So who was Oliver in 1970? The first human hybrid animal? Also I mostly lurk /b/ but they didn't really answer anything so it 404'd and I came here.

[Anonymous No.5350070]

Why the HELL would they waste that kind of money on lowly foot soldiers?

[Anonymous No.5350072]

>>5350040
Because too expensive/task demanding. Robotics/augmentations are better

[Anonymous No.5350074]

Because first comes captain america then comes some noob trying to replicate it which results in the hulk.

[Anonymous No.5350077]

>>5350070
Resilient footsoldier makes a resilient army.

[Anonymous No.5350080]

>>5350074
I don't see a problem with Hulk. If they could somehow alter his emotions, it's all good.

[Anonymous No.5350083]

>>5350077
How does gorilla strength make someone more resilient?

[Anonymous No.5350085]

The last time science tried gene therapy it caused an immune reaction that killed the person.

The human genome is horrendously complex; we don't have a good clue what's going on in the genome we already have, let alone putting new shit in in a useful way.

[Anonymous No.5350091]

>>5350067
>So who was Oliver in 1970
a chimpanzee

[Anonymous No.5350096]

>>5350083
Fast regeneration/Superstrength/Superreflex/etc
Army of supersoldier will have more success at killing things and more success at surviving things. Survival of smaller guys means continuation of bigger agenda.

[Anonymous No.5350102]

>>5350070
>Spartan
>lowly foot soldier
>mfw


Because we don't have fucking energy shields and backpack fusion reactors, OP.

[Anonymous No.5350103]

>>5350083
By altering their DNA makeup so the muscles becomes more lenient but more resilient. A super soldier. It's called genetic engineering.
>>5350085
Yes, the human body tend to eliminate foreign objects from our body but using genetic engineering, I'm sure we could solve that. Just like I said earlier, how did that Oliver AKA half human half monkey survive?

[Anonymous No.5350105]

Just hop 'em up on meth and speed, like our air force pilots.

[Biochem No.5350109]

>>5350103
You have literally zero understanding of genetic engineering, don't you?

[Anonymous No.5350112]

>>5350103
Maybe you should stick to /b/. You said that is where you normally post.

[Anonymous No.5350113]

>>5350103
>but using genetic engineering
Genetic engineering is WHY they died.

[Anonymous No.5350124]

>>5350103
>how did that Oliver AKA half human half monkey survive?

>Technical note: Chromosomal and mtDNA analysis of Oliver
We performed standard chromosomal studies which demonstrated that Oliver had the diploid number expected for a chimpanzee (2N = 48) and that the banding patterns of his chromosomes were typical for a chimpanzee and different from both humans and bonobos.

it survived because it was pure chimpanzee.

[Anonymous No.5350125]

>>5350109
That's why I came here to ask if it's possible.
>>5350112
Awesome.
>>5350113
That isn't an answer. By calling the rejection of foreign objects in a human body, genetic engineering is just ignorant. 1970 Oliver proved that chimpanzees and humans can be mixed, why couldn't they just improve the research more where a human will only show the strength side of the animal? I'm just here for opinions /sci/

[Anonymous No.5350139]

>>5350124
I'm not sure where you got that info but Oliver wasn't a pure chimpanzee.

"...and there was much speculation about his genetic makeup. It was widely rumored that Oliver was a mutant chimp or even a human-chimp hybrid, perhaps the result of some secret genetic experiment. Some news reports indicated that Oliver had 47 chromosomes, one less than a chimpanzee, one more than a human."

[Anonymous No.5350162]

you put the dna from one host and put it in the protein cell of the new host and then the gene changes. dnas are easy peasy.

I saw a human ear on a mouse once.

[Anonymous No.5350173]

>>5350139
>I'm not sure where you got that info
Ely, J. J., Leland, M., Martino, M., Swett, W. and Moore, C. M. (1998), Technical note: Chromosomal and mtDNA analysis of Oliver. Am. J. Phys. Anthropol., 105: 395–403. doi: 10.1002/(SICI)1096-8644(199803)105:3<395::AID-AJPA8>3.0.CO;2-Q

is your information that he wasnt pure also from a peer reviewed article?

[Anonymous No.5350178]

>>5350125
>By calling the rejection of foreign objects in a human body, genetic engineering is just ignorant.
you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.5350186]

you heard the man: dna is easy peasy
:D:D:D

[Anonymous No.5350188]

>>5350040
>a huge army of super soldiers
>annihilated by a few remote controlled drones form the air
Who gives a crap about soldiers these days?

[Anonymous No.5350191]

>>5350070
because why do we EVEN have a footsoldier army then? DUH

[valjean !!4SOyPF0IuOv No.5350211]

ITT: people who failed Bio 101

[Anonymous No.5350214]

>>5350178
Then explain how it works, I'm all ears. If the rejection of foreign things isn't a part what genetic engineering does, explain then.

[Anonymous No.5350216]

>>5350211
All of you just bragging about how unrealistic I sound but none of you care to explain why.

[Anonymous No.5350218]

because biology isnt science

[Anonymous No.5350219]

>>5350125
>1970 Oliver proved that chimpanzees and humans can be mixed

Ok first of all chimpanzees and humans share most of the same DNA so a hybrid between them is much more feasible compared to a hybrid between a human and a fucking shark

Secondly oliver was just a very ugly mutated chimpanzee not a hybrid

>Despite his somewhat unusual appearance and behavior, scientists determined in the 1990s that Oliver was not a human-chimpanzee hybrid.[2]

Creating human/animal hybrids is incredibly hard if not impossible

[Anonymous No.5350229]

All you need is a mutation in one gene to produce this (myostatin)
Flex wheeler the body builder has this mutation

[valjean !!4SOyPF0IuOv No.5350230]

>>5350216
Genes aren't legos. They're intricately woven together and regulated as a group on an extremely tight schedule. You can't just mix and match them. The reason you hear so much about the instances where scientists succeed in expressing a foreign gene in an animal is because that shit is fucking rare. Single proteins like GFP are easy enough to move around (and by "easy" I mean "it took us decades to do it"), but when you start messing with genes coding for muscle development, neuron growth, etc. you're going to hit some problems because those genes are controlled by thousands of other genes, environmental factors, etc. We barely know anything about how human neuromuscular development works, much less how animal neuromuscular development works.

tl;dr putting gorilla genes in a human would at best do nothing and at worst kill the human embryo instantly.

[valjean !!4SOyPF0IuOv No.5350241]

>>5350229
Flex wheeler would A) be dead by now or B) be far huger than that if he had such a mutation. Only one or two confirmed cases of human myostatin mutants exist.

[Anonymous No.5350248]

>>5350219
I don't see how the alteration of a DNA can be impossible. I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of failures and defective tissues but hey, that's the beauty of gene therapy.
>>5350230
By all means, it is possible then but with decades of work. Why can't we just clone the animal which has succeeded in the gene therapy? Thanks for explaining but I'm just trying to bring it further.

Also, couldn't we alter the makeup of DNA so the negative effects of these mutations will be eliminated?

[valjean !!4SOyPF0IuOv No.5350266]

>>5350248
>it is possible then but with decades of work
It would be the most complex genetic experiment ever devised and would require more cash and man-hours than the Manhattan project, but sure, it might be doable. But why put that effort into it when your superhumans can still be taken down from 3km by a normal sniper?

[Anonymous No.5350282]

>>5350266
They're called super humans for a reason. If it'll cost trillions of money and decades of work, I'm pretty sure that they'll make sure you won't kill a multi-billion project just like that. etc if they'll make all this possible and somehow alter human DNA with reptile DNA, fast regeration for example? Also, why shouldn't we invest in these kind of technology? I'm pretty sure we'll be discovered someday by other species but that's another topic.

[Anonymous No.5350289]

>>5350282
Because it's a lot easier to just make prostethics than it is to regrow an arm

[Anonymous No.5350302]

>>5350289
I'm pretty sure by taking one down he meant of shooting in a fatal area. You can't replace a major organ via battle by prosthetic means.

[Anonymous No.5351320]

I'm back, anyone?

[Anonymous No.5351326]

>>5350077
I can literally destroy 1000 gorilla men with the same weapon I use to kill civilians,

[Anonymous No.5351335]

> hurrr les maek mix DNAs and make superb soldier guiyze
Because you can't mix DNA's of the species with another ancestor that had 3 or more split generations.
This thread belongs to an illiterate fantasy board which isn't here

[Anonymous No.5351345]

>>>/x/
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/sci/ is for discussing actual science/math, not talking about science-fiction.
>inb4 hurr it might be possible in the future so it is science
That's not what you're discussing here. If you want to discuss the science behind it, make a thread asking people how a specific thing actually works, and don't make these openended talking-about-everything-and-understanding-nothing-crap-fest-threads, because this is NOT science.

f.e.
>>5348358
>Can we find the formula E=hf in Maxwell's equations? How would one go about finding the energy of one little wave packet in Maxwells theory?
/sci/

>Tell me why shouldn't I believe that the government trying to create super soldiers.
not /sci/

Now, please be so kind as to fuck off forever.

[Anonymous No.5351376]