/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.5342005]

Does anyone here believe that humans are not having a significant impact on the climate of the planet?

The media and politicians are trying to push the idea that fossil fuels are destroying the environment to help their renewable energy and anti-capitalist agendas.

Take the European parliament as an example of warmists gone mad where they sign off on hoards of authoritarian legislation aimed at "stopping" climate change.

Is science really on their side as they say?

[Schaiffe !zribfvVT8o No.5342026]

>>5342005
>Is science really on their side as they say?
Yes.
There is good evidence that humans are having a significant affect on climate change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo

[Anonymous No.5342058]

>>5342005
>Denying climate change is caused by humans
>2012 C.E.

[Anonymous No.5342098]

>Believing that the marginal change in CO2 output produced by non-biological human processes is a significant cause of climate change
>Being a sheep while pretending to be an intellectual
>2012

[Anonymous No.5342138]

Even if we are completely wrong and the mechanisms that are being affected by climate change didn’t exists the pollutants released by burning fossil fuels should be enough to drive a push towards other methods, or at the very least aggressive research into alternatives until we find something economically competitive with fossil fuels.

Turns out breathing car fumes is bad for your health and will kill you long before the oceans wash away your house.

[Anonymous No.5342151]

>>5342138
The issue is that there's more marginal CO production from biological reproduction than combustion engines.

[Anonymous No.5342180]

Livestock produce more greenhouse gas than the burning of our fossil fuels. Farming of livestock is a human invention in just as much of way as the development and use of fossil fuels. To answer your question, yes we have an enormous impact. Our impact is probably so large that, for many of us, it either flies over our heads or can be used politically, economically, and intentionally or not to either shroud the actual issue or address it completely and devastatingly enough to immediately question the implications surrounding it.

[Anonymous No.5342181]

>>5342098
>not understanding that the natural carbon cycle has sufficient sinks to absorb biological non-human sources of CO2 and we've flooded those sinks

[Anonymous No.5342182]

>>5342151
So you're saying it's not us, it's the billions of cows we breed?

[Anonymous No.5342189]

>>5342180
If biological reproduction is ruining our climate we are fucked anyway.

>Being blind to this.

[Anonymous No.5342192]

>OMG ALL THE CHEMICALS WE'RE PUTTING IN THE ENVIRONMENT ARE GONNA BREAK IT OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!
Where did we get those chemicals in the first place?
Personally I think the people who want to tax me because I drive a car should have their knees broken...for the environment.

[Anonymous No.5342198]

>>5342182
>Implying we should ban ranching to save the environment

Hahaha fuck you, nigger. Even in the absence of farming the outputs of the populations of CO2 emitting species will increase at a higher rate than CO2 elimination of CO2 absorbing species.

[Anonymous No.5342204]

>>5342151
The issue is that even if you are correct on every point in relation to climate change it is still utterly retarded not to pursue alternatives to fossil fuels aggressively and phase out the use of fossil fuels in the energy industry as much as possible as quickly as possible.

If (when) viable alternative energy production methods are found it would be equally retarded not to phase out fossil fuels entirely for energy production and transportation.

[Anonymous No.5342210]

I envy the US and Canada. Here in the UK the government is sucking eco-Taliban dick.

The sceptics, which are a majority in the country and the conservative party, get silenced by the left at every turn.

I wish we could just drop Kyoto, leave the EU and get back to economic growth.

[Anonymous No.5342211]

>>5342192
Do you even chemistry?

[Anonymous No.5342222]

>Chemicals come from the environment so they aren't bad for the environment
how do i logic

[Anonymous No.5342233]

>>5342222
>An already unstable system is made worse by the marginal change in the quantity of CO2 molecules from industrialization rather than the existing factors causing instability such as changes in size and composition of the biomass and the orbit of Earth about the Sun.

[Anonymous No.5342234]

The climate change denier trolls are out in force today.

[Anonymous No.5342236]

>>5342192
In the same way that all the chemicals in our atmosphere are exactly the same as the chemicals in the atmosphere of Jupiter. It is this type of thinking that completely escapes the minds of those without the knowledge to make such blind statements in the first place, and should be the last ones to make any type of policy calls. You are allowed to drive your car, for now, but don't think for a second that the car you drive is a statement on atmospheric sciences.

[Anonymous No.5342247]

>>5342236
Okay, explain how our climate system is more affected by human industry than changes in the composition of the Earth's biomass/interaction with the Sun.

[Anonymous No.5342253]

>>5342247
I was never here to argue that current industry produces more environmental output pollutants than the farming of livestock. For one, it simply doesn't. OP asked if we actually have an effect on our environment; my reply was yes, more than you possibly can know.

[Anonymous No.5342264]

>>5342233
Give us your numbers of the effect atmospheric CO2 increase has on the climate. And how you got them.

[Anonymous No.5342265]

No, I don't believe the vast majority of scientists are bought. They are perhaps the only demographic that I trust not to get easily corrupted by money, because most value money far less than their reputation in the scientific community.

[Anonymous No.5342269]

>>5342234
they aren't trolls, they are getting paid

[Anonymous No.5342297]

>>5342265
>Implying that reputation in the scientific community can't be bought and sold

[Anonymous No.5342300]

>>5342269
There has been a shift in the response made by environmental scientists payed by and hired by oil companies in regards to environmental factors and global warming. They used to ask whether it was really happening or not, then they asked whether what was happening was really being caused by us. Now they are saying that it is happening and that we are doing it, but they are going to continue because there isn't anything we about it anyway.

[Anonymous No.5342307]

>>5342264
http://www.ipcc.ch/
It shouldn't be our responsibility to spoonfeed you the information when it's trivially available.

[Anonymous No.5342316]

>>5342297
>implying it can be
Reputation is citations and impact on other peoples' research.

[Anonymous No.5342322]

>>5342204
>>5342151
>>5342138

How to detect paid posters/trolls:

Assume they have a bunch of canned arguments and pre-prepared "sources". Now post a refutation that none of those canned responses would cover. If they try to pull the argument back to their canned response list or ignore you, positive detection.

I realy wonder what drives these people sometimes, its not like /sci/ gets mad, just posts pleb pleb pleb and hides the thread.

[Anonymous No.5342323]

>>5342316
>Implying university departments aren't corrupt and political as shit.

[Anonymous No.5342326]

>>5342297

I don't think you understand. Why would you buy reputation? It in itself is worthless without knowing that you actually deserve it. Now a politician might by people to higher this reputation because he can then leverage his reputation in his political campaigns. But for a scientist reputation is the end not the means so buying would be a worthless gesture.

[valjean !!4SOyPF0IuOv No.5342343]

>>5342264
http://hero.epa.gov/index.cfm?action=reference.details&reference_id=92936

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17962418

http://berkeleyearth.org/results-summary/

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg1/ar4-wg1-chapter2.pdf

[Anonymous No.5342350]

If you think that the climate change movement is anything more than jingoist pro-someone's-business propaganda you are being deceived. Wake the fuck up parrots. There isn't a single study that cannot be easily debunked, or spun the other way. FOR A REASON! Of course there is climate change, those are called seasons. It's normal. One or two degrees variation over thousands of years, is just that, variation. It's fucking normal. The Earth itself pours hundreds of thousands of times more 'pollutants' into the air each year than humans. Wake the fuck up.

[valjean !!4SOyPF0IuOv No.5342356]

>>5342350
you heard him, lads! dump all the plastic in the oceans! empty your oil pans into the backyard! burn your garbage to save money!

[Anonymous No.5342365]

>>5342350
1/10 for actually turning the "business interest conspiracy” argument around, got a chuckle out of me.

[Anonymous No.5342385]

>>5342307
It's ironic that policy makers and the corporations that fond oil and gas production do not even need to hide this information from the public. From their standpoint, the public has already been bought on the idea of cheap and convenient fuel. It doesn't require more than the threat of change on their parts to convince us to hold on to our fossil fuels. Their only objective is to continue to back their lobbyists and policy makers in a bid to undermine what relatively small impact the scientific community or anyone else has in relation to global economic markets, practices and policy. It's a way to control markets on a global scale and assign policy-making powers to those in positions least aligned with voters in the same way our military industrial complex positioned the United States into global dominance.

[Anonymous No.5342420]

>>5342356
>dump all the plastic in the oceans!
Yes. Plastic eating bacteria will do the rest.
>empty your oil pans into the backyard!
If you don't have a backyard the gutter or the street will do just fine. We got the oil from the ground so putting it back can't hurt.
>burn your garbage to save money!
Yes, but remember some things don't burn, but you can throw those away just anywhere.

These are all good suggestions. Remember the environment adapts to us, not the other way.

[Anonymous No.5342433]

It's not just about raw CO2 emission, don't forget about the rainforests. A thousand year ago basically whole Europe was an endless fucking forest and now huge chunks of forests are being eradicated in Africa and South America for low-yield farming lands on a daily basis.

[Anonymous No.5342446]

>>5342420
heehhhhh funneh guy over here

[Anonymous No.5342481]

The Earth once had tropical temperatures across the entire planet. Then a meteor came in and fucked everything for a long-ass time.

This global warming is nothing more than the normal temperature of the planet re-asserting itself.

[sage No.5342511]

>>5342481
Its over dude, just go home, you are embarrassing yourself