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>Big News From Mars? Rover Scientists Mum For Now

http://www.npr.org/2012/11/20/165513016/big-news-from-mars-rover-scientists-mum-for-now

>> No.5273279

>>5273251
that's the epitome of retardation, and people should be shot when they do that.

>> No.5273292

>>5273279
We here at NASA have an excellent response for this sort of criticism, but cannot tell you what it is yet.

>> No.5273311

>>5273292
i dont know why they cant just tell us what they think they found and keep us up to date on whether its confirmed or not. why even talk to the press at all if youre just going to do this shit?

>> No.5273418

Guys.

Guys.

I think I know what it is.

They've finally discovered that Mars is... a planet!

>> No.5273427

>>5273311
Maybe they still have to confirm it. If they blurted out something like "fossilized lifeforms" found or something and then had to correct themselves it would damage their reputation immensly in the eyes of the public. Scientists would understand, but the public wants sensationalism, not facts.

That being said it's probably nothing.

>> No.5273426

>>5273418
They found a really tiny monolith.

>> No.5273450

>>5273427
>fossilized lifeforms
It's a chemical detection experiment hat gave the results, hard to find fossils in that. It's a molecule indicative of life they've found.

>> No.5273461

It's probably some more minerals that implies things about mars's geological structure. What they usually call big news end up some stupid stuff

>> No.5273458

NASA's trying to figure out how to tell the public that the robot they spent billions of their tax dollars to build and send to Mars just got stolen by Jawas.

>> No.5273462

>>5273458
These are not the rovers you're looking for.

>> No.5273466

>>5273427
they are still confirming their findings. but if they arent going to tell us shit, they shouldn't tell anyone at all until they are ready. its dumb to release press shit like this.

>> No.5273463

>>5273458
Thanks to exulted comrade Barrack Hussein Obongo NASA is so short of funds that they have to do viral marketing for the next Star Wars film to pay taxi fees to the Russians.

>> No.5273479

>>5273466
It is. They should just release it like it's normal news.

If NASA keeps trying to do dramatic press releases for attention they're going to end up being the boy who cries wolf, and when they do find something important nobody is going to care.

They should save their press release for if they find definitive proof of life on Mars. Not just possible evidence for it.

>> No.5273480

> ITT /sci/ doesn't understanding building hype/nerds with potentially huge news too excited to keep it a secret so they talk about the fact they're keeping it secret.
Stay pleb you dumb fucks.

>> No.5273495

>>5273463

I think this is awesome. About time they began revving the marketing machine and making science more popular.

It's much better to get excited from NASA discoveries on mars than if Snooki's baby shat him self.

>> No.5273498

>>5273479
it isnt the first time ive read articles of them hyping shit but i know enough now that while what they find is surely to be interesting, it is never as amazing as the headlines make it out to be before the official announcement.

>> No.5273507

>>5273498
Ofcourse hype is always better than the actual thing.

i.e Christmas presents, first gay butt sex as an engineer etc....

>> No.5273522

>>5273498
What could it possibly be ? Nothing we found on mars was ever interesting so far. It's an enormous and shameful waste of our money.

>> No.5273526

>>5273463

Stupid people like you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Budget plan is created by congress, not by Obama. Once congress makes and passes a budget, it has to be passed by Senate and only then Obama has his input, to signed it or not.

Budget making has never been president's job. All he can do is act as a referee when congress doesn't do it's job.

>> No.5273538

>>5273526
I was making fun of American's for their Obama conspiracy theories and irrational partisan criticism, and I'm not even American so I can't vote anyway.

Who's stupid now? You sure make a lot of random assumptions based on emotion for someone on a science board.

>> No.5273545

>>5273538

> making stupid comment
> raging when people assume you're stupid

this pretty much makes you stupid regardless where you live.

>> No.5273565

>>5273545
You're the one raging.

I should have known that pointing out your stupidity would have hurt your feelings. Will it make you feel better if I post pictures of banana stickers?

>> No.5273564

> Grotzinger says they recently put a soil sample in SAM, and the analysis shows something earthshaking. "This data is gonna be one for the history books. It's looking really good," he says.
> Earth shaking
Are they teenagers or something ? What could they possibly assume to be Earth shaking. Even if mars was made of cheese, it wouldn't shake the earth.

>> No.5273585

>>5273526
The President does have the power to propose legislation, including budgets. If I recall, Obama has called for a smaller NASA budget, but expanded the funding of other science agencies by an amount that more than compensated for the drop in NASA funding in his last budget proposal. Or at least this is what I recall and I am too lazy to go searching through old budget news to find out.

>> No.5273588

>>5273564
They found something alive? Though we then have to question the earlier contamination problem.

>> No.5273597

>>5273426
and they scooped it up with a spoon.

>> No.5273596
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5273596

>>5273588
Curiosity got eaten by something Earth shaking

>> No.5273610

They found a Prothean relict.

>> No.5273645

>>5273585

proposing legislation is not creating budget. House is controlled by republicans, whatever propositions the president makes (which are basically suggestions) have to be passed by a republican controlled house. Which may or may not choose to listen to the president's suggestions, depending on the vote majority, how much butthurt they want, polls in the media, etc.

>> No.5273652

>>5273645

also, I have a hard time believing SpaceX would have happened if NASA had all the money they wanted.

>> No.5273653
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5273653

NASA just released some footage!!!

>> No.5273684

They have found something that might possibly maybe someday potentially be an indicator of life.

>> No.5273695

>>5273653
lol'd.

>> No.5273723

>>5273684
Even if they found alive bacteria, it wouldn't be fucking earth shaking.

>> No.5273749

>>5273538
>jokes on you I was just pretending

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5273763

OH GOD IT'S REALLY HAPPENING

>> No.5273767

>>5273723
when they thought they found bacteria in the late 90s, pres clinton made a special announcement that interrupted tv programs, so it would be pretty big.

>> No.5273777

>>5273767
Interrupting tv programs was a trend back then. Nobody cuts tv programs for announcements anymore unless we're under attack or threatened with a natural catastrophe

>> No.5273831

>>5273723
it wouldn't change much, but it's an important step in persuading people that we weren't created from dust by a magic sky daddy. the more public the better

>> No.5273852

>>5273831
>it wouldn't change much
Finding life somewhere besides our Planet is kind of a big deal.

>> No.5273857

>>5273653
lol got me

>> No.5273861

>>5273852
meh, it's kind of like the higgs discovery(pending). It just confirms a notion already generally accepted, for the most part.

>> No.5273881

>>5273861
Although the Higgs Boson particle discovery basically only helped proved what we already knew, finding life on another planet, especially one like Mars, has very big implications. It means that the planet can definitely support life, and we can study the organism living on the planet to figure out ways of living on the planet ourselves.

There are also different implications, like how did the life get there, and what is the life made of. If we find that the organism is, for example, silicon based and it doesn't use DNA, then there would be tremendous ground breaking discoveries in fields of biology and possibly chemistry as well as the obvious medical and technological advances we could make.

>> No.5273911

>>5273881
I doubt it will b anything like that. It's something to do with the SAM instrument...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6uWUrxuuok

>> No.5273937

They found a Mars bar.

On Mars.

Russel not available for comment.

>> No.5273947

They discovered that the Higgs boson has a different mass on Mars than it does on Earth.

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5273959

>>5273426

The Monolith?

Time to grab some vodka and travell to Mars

>> No.5273962

They found liquid water on Mars.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2_gcc_big.jpg

>> No.5273966

The rover has blundered into a canal, and since it is not waterproof, the mission has been declared a failure.

>> No.5273986

>>5273966
>find liquid water on mars
>failure

>> No.5273997

>>5273986
This is an even bigger blunder than when they mixed up their units and ended up crashing a Mars probe into Russel's teapot.

The canals have been known about since the earliest days of Mars telescope observation, but they didn't account for them at all in their rover design.

>> No.5274197

I've got contacts inside JPL, they have found life.

>> No.5274245
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5274245

>>5273881

Also, single handily disproving most religions in one swift motion.

>> No.5274255

>>5274245
Won't change a thing.
If we ever were to encounter intelligent life maybe.
Still they would probably dismiss them as satan's spawn.

>> No.5274260

>>5273831
>>it wouldn't change much

it would cause massive riots in the bible belt at the very least.

>> No.5274265

>>5274255
I'm quite sure the church/Pope has come out and said that if we ever find alien life, including intelligent, it is in line with the bible. 2005-6 I think.

>> No.5274264
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5274264

>>5274255

At the very least, it would cause a good amount of butthurt

>> No.5274275

>>5274265
so, how many sects and religious groups remain? several thousand or more?

>> No.5274282

>>5273881
You're forgetting the fact that if life can be proven to have occurred independently on two separate planets in our own solar system, that this has massive implications for how common life may be in the universe.

>>5274245
There's nothing about extraterrestrial life that conflicts with the earths religions. Every major religion has already made statements to prepare its followers for the discovery. Some minor religions might either belittle the discovery by claiming that microorganisms can barely be considered life, or something. Or they'll just deny it like they do evolution.

>> No.5274283

bracing for new element
or some fancy superconductorish compound thats economically feasible enough to validate a mars colony

BELIEVE
IT'S HAPPENING

>> No.5274287

>>5274260
You think those idiots are going to care about something a microscope is needed to see?

They'll just cite it as evidence that abortion is wrong and refuse to recognize any further significance.

If the heliocentric model, geography, evolution, and neurology didn't disprove their stupid mythology to them a discovery they were already expecting and does not conflict with their religious views in any way will certainly not.

>> No.5274290

>>5274282
the fact that it happened once is enough for it to happen again. statistically it is pretty impossible for something to happen once and never again.

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>> No.5274300

>>5274290
I didn't say it would be significant as evidence that it happened more than once, that much is pretty obvious.

I said it would give us more information on how common life is in the universe. Having only one known instance of it offers little for statistical information.

But if it occurred twice around the same star, then that would be pretty dramatic because it heavily implies that it's easy for life to start and that means it must be all over the place.

>> No.5274307

>>5274283
...I would highly doubt it is a new element. It would be incredibly ground breaking if it was since it would mean that modern nuclear physics is drastically wrong or modern stellar models are very wrong since any new stable elements would have to come from the "island of stability."

>> No.5274334

>>5274290
That's not reasonable. The universe may not be infinite, and even if it is, life may be so improbable that there's a vanishingly small chance of it arising within the observable universe of another life origin event.

However, finding life on Mars wouldn't prove an independent origin. Things like asteroid impacts and the solar wind may have thrown spores from Earth to Mars.

It only takes one.

>> No.5274336

>>5273311
do you even recent past?

>> No.5274338

>>5274307
>any new stable elements would have to come from the "island of stability."
Not this one.

This one comes from Mars.

>> No.5274352

>>5274336
If they really wanted to avoid embarassment, they wouldn't tell people they think they found something earth-shattering, and just needed to check it. That's setting themselves up for an embarassment.

They could either keep it to themselves while they checked, or they could present what they've found neutrally.

Anyway, they announced it 10 minutes ago: they discovered that neutrinos move faster than light between Mars and Earth.

>> No.5274361

>>5274334
there is nothing special about earth. the same stuff that makes up our planet makes up a shit load more of them. it is more reasonable to assume life can arise elsewhere than it is to think we are special. hopefully we find it soon.

>> No.5274390

Any speculation on what they found? From "It's happening" to "not so interesting"

>> No.5274391

>>5274361
>it is more reasonable to assume life can arise elsewhere than it is to think we are special.
Of course it's more reasonable to assume life CAN arise elsewhere. But to assume it DOES arise elsewhere is unreasonable.

We have no idea what the probability is of life arising, how particular the conditions need to be, how long it would take on average under those conditions, etc.

There are none of the obvious indications thus far of intelligent life in the galaxy, which speaks against a universe filled with life, and there is also no indication that life arose twice independently on Earth.

>> No.5274410

It'll be the same big news we always get from Mars.

>We've discovered evidence that there may once have been water on Mars!

>> No.5274414

>>5274391
if conditions were right for this rock, why not other rocks? the sheer amount of stars and planets out there makes it more likely than not that it would have happened before and again.

life probably did arise a few times on earth before taking root. of course we can't prove this without a time machine. also since the oldest rocks we can find are a billion years younger than the earth itself, it would make it very hard to find any fossilized evidence of such.

intelligent life might be harder to come by. it took our own planet this long to produce us so who knows

>> No.5274443

>>5273997
The canals of Mars don't exist. They were a long running misunderstanding. Modern observations show no canals.

>> No.5274463

NASA pls stop teasing and tell us

>> No.5274466

>>5274410
No, we already know that. The specific instrument whose results they are debating is one meant specifically for locating life. We already know a bunch of water most likely flowed through Gale Crater.