/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.5256256]

Seriously imaginary numbers are just a load of hogwash.
Imaginary numbers are nothing more than an exercise in mathematical masturbation.

Sure they have 'uses' or 'applications' in engineering, but these uses have nothing to do with the fundamental idea that they are fucking imaginary numbers. They are used because they make calculations in some areas simpler. But that doesn't change the fact that the logic behind it is unsound and fucking retarded.
Fuck mathematicians, they are not scientists in the least.

Get a real major, math faggots.

[Anonymous No.5256259]

>if it doesn't make sense to me it must not exist

4/10 for making me reply

[Anonymous No.5256266]

You know what's funny? The call it "complex" numbers as if it was really complicated and only math gods could understand it, while actually it doesn't take more than highschool algebra to get "complex" numbers. I think the whole thing is nothing but an elaborate hoax and a perpetuated troll.

[Anonymous No.5256264]

>>5256256
>>5256256

Do you feel this way about vectors as well?

People who can't do math really shouldn't have an opinion about how to do math.

[Anonymous No.5256268]

>>5256266

Two dimensions? How do they work?

[Anonymous No.5256270]

>>5256259
>>5256264

Stay mad mathfags. Keep inventing imaginary shit that doesn't make any logical sense.

[Anonymous No.5256274]

Seriously irrational numbers are just a load of hogwash.
Irrational numbers are nothing more than an exercise in mathematical masturbation.

Sure they have 'uses' or 'applications' in physics and architecture but these uses have nothing to do with the fundamental idea that they are fucking irrational numbers. They are used because some OCD mathematicians are too scared to round off a decimal place. But that doesn't change the fact that the logic behind it is unsound and fucking retarded.
Fuck mathematicians, they are not scientists in the least.

Get a real major, math faggots.

[Anonymous No.5256273]

Math seems more like a religion nowadays. They accept "imaginery" (=non-existing) numbers which magically square to a negative number (impossible!!!) but when it comes to real problems like solving how to divide by zero, all they do is post a lot of fallacies and derisive comments as if it was forbidden to even question their beliefs.

[Anonymous No.5256277]

>>5256264
Vectors can be turned into actual lengths when converted by a formula.
Imaginary numbers... stay imaginary.

[Anonymous No.5256284]

Learn to matrix you unbelievable troll faggot. Unless they aren't real either, you troglydyte.

[Anonymous No.5256296]

>>5256256
If you havent found uses for imaginary numbers is because you havent dug deep enough

>They are used because they make calculations in some areas simpler

That would be enough

>logic behind it is unsound and fucking retarded.

No it isnt, there are rules and relations to deal with them just like with any other number

I think what pisses you off about them is that they are called imaginary, and that makes you think they are less fundamental than other numbers

Say, if I call them complex numbers the sound less stupid dont they

[Anonymous No.5256323]

>>5256266
A complex number, by definition, consists of both a real-number dimension and an imaginary-number dimension. While this doesn't necessarily make them super-difficult to comprehend, it does make them more "complex" from a technical standpoint compared to most other real-only and imaginary-only numbers.

[Carl No.5256324]

>>5256277

You pretty little troll.

For future reference:
You are committing the fallacy of equivocation.

Best Fishes,
Carl

[Anonymous No.5256331]

>>5256296
The whole of complex numbers is based on the fallacy that it's possibly to find the square root of a negative number. So it's a tower of cards that comes crashing.
Mathematics should be used to model reality not to invent imaginary shit that may or may not have a use depending on whether some faggot 200 years in the future finds a discipline where such nonsense could be applied indirectly (ignoring the illogical nature behind it).

[Anonymous No.5256339]

>>5256266
"Complex" mean 'of many parts'.
Like, a real part and an imaginary one.

[Anonymous No.5256334]

negative numbers are "imaginary" too.

if you only stick to numbers that make sense in reality math becomes quite limited.

it is a fix to mathemathics, basically a system for pretending those numbers are positive and not be stuck.

[Anonymous No.5256337]

>x^2 + 1 = 0
>Calculations don't add up?
>Add a new "imaginery" number!
>Congratulations, now you're doing math like a mathematician.

[Anonymous No.5256342]

>>5256334

what you say to this OP.

negative numbers are a hoax too, but I don't see you complaining on that.

[Anonymous No.5256352]

>>5256331

McNope. You just can't into maths.

[Anonymous No.5256350]

>>5256331
But you dont try to solve negative roots, you just name them

sqrt(-a)= i*sqrt(a) where i= sqrt(-1) at no point did i try to find a value for sqrt(i)

It does bring up useful relations, if you have ever done second order differential equations, you can convert solutions of the form exp(i*something*x) in to trigonometrical functions

Math would be incomplete without imaginary numbers, and physics would be a lot more complicated

[Anonymous No.5256346]

>>5256273
No they don't. Look up the hyperreals or the real projective line.

[Anonymous No.5256376]

Imaginary numbers, negative numbers, and the number 0 do not infact exist.

[Anonymous No.5256374]

>>5256342
Negative numbers are ok because they simply represent numbers below a certain threshold that you name 0.
Complex numbers are fake and gay.

[Anonymous No.5256379]

Seriously numbers are just a load of hogwash.
Numbers are nothing more than an exercise in mathematical masturbation.

Sure they have 'uses' or 'applications' in life, but these uses have nothing to do with the fundamental idea that they are fucking abstract concepts. They are used because they keep track of things with a universal method. But that doesn't change the fact that the logic behind it is unsound and fucking retarded.
Fuck mathematicians, they are not scientists in the least.

Get a real major, math faggots.

[Anonymous No.5256380]

>>5256350
Math would be incomplete but nobody except mathematicians care lol.

Wow math in physics would be 'more difficult', maybe physicists should stop being retarded and learn things the correct way.

[Anonymous No.5256382]

>>5256376
Nothing exists.

[Anonymous No.5256393]

>>5256380
well, since mathematicians are the ones who care they are the ones that should decide whether they are relevant or not, not shitty trolls like you

[Anonymous No.5256389]

>>5256337
x^2 + 1 = 0
x^2 = -1
x = sqrt(-1)

sqrt(-1) can't be expressed with normal numbers other than just, "sqrt(-1)", so we give it a name like "i" for convenience. Sort of how we refer to 2.718... as "e" for convenience.

[Anonymous No.5256404]

>>5256393
Mathematics is just a tool, saying someone is a mathematician is like saying someone who uses a screwdriver is a 'screwdriverer'. Mathematics only purpose in the real world is to be used by engineers, physicists or economists. People who dedicate their whole life to mathematical masturbation are quite sad indeed.

[Anonymous No.5256402]

Seriously languages are just a load of hogwash.
Languages are nothing more than an exercise in evolutionary masturbation.

Sure they have 'uses' or 'applications' in culture, but these uses have nothing to do with the fundamental idea that they are fucking abstract constructs. They are used because they make the transfer of ideas in some areas simpler. But that doesn't change the fact that the logic behind it is unsound and fucking retarded.
Fuck humans, they are not capable of conveying ideas in the least.

Get a real mode of communication, language faggots.

[Anonymous No.5256403]

Since this has turned to a highschool math thread I will seize the opportunity to make all the stupid questions I have about math.

Why the roots of a function are important, we always want to find the roots, is it just to plot the function, factorize and know when y=0 or knowing the roots of a function can help you find other things?

[Anonymous No.5256410]

>>5256337
>0^x ≠ x^0
>Fuck Steve these graphs clearly don't intersect, lets just claim that 0^0 is 1 so we can keep pretending 0 makes sense.
>But that doesn't even make sense why would it suddenly jump from 0 to 1 when infinitly close to 0 turns into 0?
>From now on, it just does.

[Anonymous No.5256420]

>>5256404
Mathematicians would be the guys making the screwdriver, making sure it doesnt break when other people use it.

[Anonymous No.5256430]

>>5256403

[Anonymous No.5256428]

math itself is fucking retarded.
fucking numbers, abstract

they think they are smart, its ludicrous

[Anonymous No.5256433]

>>5256404
>Mathematics is just a tool

I've seen this said on this board before. Math is not simply a tool, it is a language.

[Anonymous No.5256435]

>>5256433
>mathematics
>not a qualia

[Anonymous No.5256443]

This just in: all of math is a meaningless abstraction to make calculations easier and more intuitive.

Fuck you mathfags, seriously.

[Anonymous No.5256452]

Benoit Mandelbrot would like to have word with you from the grave

[Anonymous No.5256516]

>replying seriously to this thread
>/sci/