/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.5231429]

>hate doing math (respect it though)
>love science
anybody else here like that?

[Anonymous No.5231431]

It's one of my deepest secrets

[Anonymous No.5231434]

tfw

[Anonymous No.5231435]

>>5231429
same, but I'm good at math

[Anonymous No.5231438]

>hate science and math, they're boring
>like looking at cool pictures of space

half of this board

[Anonymous No.5231446]

>>5231445
I'm jealous as fuck

[Anonymous No.5231445]

I love doing math really. It comes so naturally.

[Osiris No.5231494]

>>5231445
I've found that I enjoy it aswell.
I enjoy the fact that it challenges me but that I atleast so far manage to overcome the obstacles.
I'm worried it will become too difficult at some point though.

[Anonymous No.5231501]

>not a fan of math but always get A's
>take a statistics course and fall in love

I guess I just like to see that the math is actually doing something useful as opposed to just hoping that someone else will figure out how to implement it so many years down the road.

Also
>dem jobs

[Anonymous No.5231608]

Math is the metaphorical science.

[Anonymous No.5231631]

For me it's the other way around. I'm really interested by physics but i never seem to enjoy actually doing solid questions. But with maths, I'm not REALLY interested in the theory but the beauty and elegance of the questions makes them so enjoyable to do.

[Anonymous No.5231643]

That's how I was up until I took Calculus.
Then I saw math having some actual application, which is the whole reason why I like science so much.

Science still reigns over math in my own interests, but I like it a lot more now that I've taken a couple of Calculus classes.

[Anonymous No.5231670]

>>5231643
That's how I feel. Everything before calculus seemed too obvious. Finally learning stuff that would have taken me years to deduce had I not had direction.

[Anonymous No.5231704]

>>5231643
everything before calc has actual applications too dummy

[Anonymous No.5231710]

>>5231704
meanie :'(

[Anonymous No.5231713]

I love math.
Nothing else makes sense in my life.

[Anonymous No.5231714]

Materials Science class:

>1) What are the key properties that distinguish stainless steels from other steels?
Awesome, I know this.

>2) Calculate the bla bla bla

FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.5231716]

>>5231429
Same.
I hate physics, though. It's the way you have to set up the problem that pisses me off.

[Anonymous No.5231718]

>>5231501
Really? I loved all my math classes but absolutely hated Statistics... I guess there was just less theory in my class so it was a lot of, "here's how you do this problem, replicate" and they never cared to explain why.

[Anonymous No.5231721]

>>5231716
What do you mean by set up the problem? Like, given a word problem, figure out how to work it from there?

[Anonymous No.5231724]

Exact opposite OP. Really good at and like math, find Physics and Chem boring.

[Anonymous No.5231731]

>tfw love math but horrible at it

I would, without a thought, give all of my supposed talent with words for the ability to do math well.

[Anonymous No.5231739]

>>5231718
Intro stat classes are not indicative of upper level classes. You can do amazing things with a knowledge of math and computer science.

It's a beautiful combination that isn't expressed nearly enough. Artificial intelligence, machine learning, data mining; they're all a cross between math and computer science, of which a significant portion is statistics.

To each their own. I would, however, suggest taking a class related to multivariate analysis, machine learning, etc. Very interesting stuff.

[Anonymous No.5231754]

>>5231739
Hmm... As a computer science major with a math minor, I'm definitely going to look into the latter stats classes. It was just so boring to do intro stats that it has scarred me a little bit.

When do you start using calculus in statistics? As in, finding the area under a normal distribution using calculus instead of a table.

[Anonymous No.5231764]

>>5231754
That's more of a theory class. Here's a link to what I'm taking:
http://catalog.iastate.edu/showcourse/?code=STAT-341&edition=2012-13

That class is awesome, but more computer-oriented classes are going to be using R.

Here are two awesome computer science-oriented classes I'm taking:
http://catalog.iastate.edu/showcourse/?code=STAT-503&edition=2012-13

http://catalog.iastate.edu/showcourse/?code=STAT-407&edition=2012-13

[Anonymous No.5231777]

I like math. It's fun, sorta intuitive and feels great when you solve some crazy u-sub trig integral. I'm failing physics since I can't apply any of it to word problems, though. I can't do any theory either.

[Anonymous No.5231789]

Love science, math, politics.

>tfw math/econ double major
>tfw gonna be President
>tfw when actually quant and hang self
>tfw actually wind up at burger king
>despair

[Anonymous No.5231794]

>>5231789
>math/econ major
>world is your oyster
>despair
>and a shiggy and a diggy and a dig dig doo

[Anonymous No.5231797]

>>5231794
You're right.

[Anonymous No.5231808]

Pure mathematics is the most beautiful thing in the world.
-an Efag
>inb4 sucking cock is etc..

Anyone who disagrees should get the fuck off my /sci/, because you can't truly understand any exact sciences without seeing the beauty of the math behind it. And if you don't understand the exact sciences at a university level we don't want you here.

[Anonymous No.5231832]

>>5231797
fer sher!

Trim your beard like that and you'll never want for a thing in the world.

[Anonymous No.5231835]

could someone learn calculus without any math done in high school or is everything leading up 2 that

[Anonymous No.5231841]

>>5231835
You might be able to learn some of the concepts, but geometry and algebra help quite a lot. If you try to actually work any problems, you're dead without Algebra and Trigonometry.

[Anonymous No.5231843]

>>5231835
Technically yes.
Realistically no.

Where the fuck do you live where it's even possible not to have any math in highschool?

[Anonymous No.5231846]

For me math is easy and physics is hard.
I like Physics more though, so that sucks.

[Anonymous No.5231848]

>>5231835
You actually could, but Algebra is actually the most important and useful mathematics there is. Understanding the language and properties will be a pathway to learning all the basic maths in the same way that eventually learning calculus will be a pathway to learning more advanced math.

[Anonymous No.5231857]

>>5231841
i dont givee a shit about grouping facotrs and all that bullshit though for 4 months

[Anonymous No.5231863]

>>5231857
That's unfortunate, because it comes up later in life because factoring is important in math. Pretty much any math, even the stuff above calculus, depends on factoring.

[Anonymous No.5231864]

>awful at math
>struggle with the most simplistic algebra
Shoot me.

[Anonymous No.5231897]

>>5231863
i only need calculus 1 and 2. math is fucking gay

[Anonymous No.5231895]

Math is just a tool you use and you apply it to Sciences is it not?

It doesn't matter if you like it because you only have to learn it once and applying it over and over again gets easier and easier.

When you first learned quadratics you might of struggled but after doing them a thousand times they are second nature.

[Anonymous No.5231908]

>>5231429
>that feel
I could never create, I am too poor with numbers.

[Anonymous No.5231912]

>>5231895
Nope. Maths is worth studying in its own right.

Power series for example is much more interesting to study for the sake of it rather than to do boring shit like approximating functions as a parabola or whatever it is you use power series for in Physics and Engineering

[Anonymous No.5231915]

>>5231897
Most fields that require calc 1&2 will require a lot of math. You're screwed if you keep up that attitude.

[Anonymous No.5231933]

>>5231915
i dont like math never well. i know i have to do it though. im jsut wondering if i need to know math 11 and 12 to understand calculus

[Anonymous No.5231937]

>>5231714

Me in a nutshell. I'm not BAD at math (can run spreadsheets, do log graphs etc), so long as you don't ask me to do calculus or anything higher.

[Anonymous No.5231942]

>>5231643
Precisely me.
I was doing good in easy math until calculus in my last year of high school. It was really straightforward and simple.
Then came calculus with all of its "intuitiveness", took me completely by surprise, and fucked me over real good. Hopefully as I'm taking it in college I'll have a clearer understa nding and better preparation

[Anonymous No.5231949]

>Not seeing that all that math you learned from a young age is applicable as fuck
>everything I can think of uses calc
>geometry is everywhere
>probability is useful as fuck
>linear algebra useful as fuck
>ODE's and PDE's very important
etc etc

I'm just a faggot engineer, but I appreciate math very much.

[Anonymous No.5231954]

>be math teachers favorite student
>talk shit behind the teacher
>be cool and be a fuckin popular kid

[Anonymous No.5231980]

Personally adding and subtracting two or three variably even numbers was manageable. From a very young age I was fluent in multiplicative's of 5. Couldn't really grasp multiplying many other integers. However division, I will tell you. Never touched the stuff, It seemed like way to much work.

[Anonymous No.5232395]

>>5231949
I hope others see this. Math courses can be stupidly abstract, but every class can be applied to something unless you're a math major, in which case it doesn't matter. There's likely a reason your curriculum requires those prerequisites.

>>5231954
You're mean.

>>5231980
wut

[Anonymous No.5232402]

>>5231429
You are a faggot who likes to consume trivial facts
/thread

[Anonymous No.5232403]

>>5232402
what a crime

[Anonymous No.5232412]

>>5231438

This, pretty much. This is also why mathfags don't take sciencefags seriously.

[Anonymous No.5232413]

>>5231895

lol, this is not math. You are the tool.

[Anonymous No.5232417]

Well I actually love math, and not just as a tool as most engineers or scientists see it.
Also that's why I'm doing a physics/math double major.

[Anonymous No.5232442]

Don't understand people like OP.
I know people like that. I have chemistry and geology major friends and I am better at maths than them.
Funny thing is.. study fuckin architecture.
A lot of very dumb people study science.

[Anonymous No.5232448]

I've gotten up to trig, and it's like where do I go from here?

[Anonymous No.5232647]

>>5231980
What are you, like 6?

[Anonymous No.5232676]

>suck at math in school because I didn't care
>like math though
>start studying Informatics
>have to do math
>get good at math

[Anonymous No.5233046]

>Want to take calculus
>Probably not enough calculus classes by the time I pass pre-cal 2.

I don't know what to do. I actually want to do it, after doubting I could do well in pre-cal 1, it's just my local CC doesn't offer a lot of calculus courses. I don't want to go on my local university either because it's more expensive, more difficult to get to, and less personalized.

[Pedonymous No.5233061]

I found that I could enjoy math more when I started learning it on my own.

[Anonymous No.5233103]

>>5233046
how many classes do they offer?

I took up to diff eq. at my CC during 12th grade.

[Anonymous No.5233119]

Math is a language
Science is a method

[Anonymous No.5233154]

>>5233103
They offer 4 classes. 3 near where I live (but still kinda far; everything is pretty spread out in my city) and one that's very far. I'm afraid they'd run out of class space long before I could even get in.

[Anonymous No.5233168]

tfw you have issues doing simple arithmetic in your head and this makes HS level algebra difficult

tfw having to take remedial math as a college freshman

[Anonymous No.5233189]

>>5233168
> arithmetic issues
>actual issues
pick one

[Anonymous No.5233242]

>>5233168
>tfw when math dyslexia and I often manage rearrange the numbers without realizing it

So many F's because the answer was 303 and not 330.

[Anonymous No.5233245]

>>5233242
>tfw when math dyslexia and I often manage rearrange the numbers without realizing it

So many As because I double check and never dyslex the same thing twice.

[Anonymous No.5233311]

>study physics, not good at it but fairly interested
>really bad at math
>sleep 3 hours per night because up all night and try to figure out math shit

I'm starting to see hallucinations, picture related.

[Anonymous No.5233336]

My interests lie in chemistry (mainly pharmaceutical chemistry and organic synthesis), but I've always liked math. The funny thing is, I didn't like maths at my math course as much as I did later on when I had to apply that knowledge to chemical properties. Taylor series and partial derivatives suddenly made more sense in a practical manner and I find it fascinating how a simple series expansion turns an equation into a beauty of 5 or more coherently connected variables. I probably wouldn't consider studying actual maths though.

[Anonymous No.5233348]

>>5231429
> Love doing math
> Can't science

[Anonymous No.5233344]

>>5233242
your instructors didnt give credit for work prior to error?

[Anonymous No.5233390]

>love chemistry
>can't do any of that equation stuff
>goodbye scientific career

[Anonymous No.5233398]

I'm pretty good at math, but apparently really suck at physics.
It's horrible, that you have to minor something that isn't math, while majoring in math.

[Anonymous No.5233430]

>look at even simple math
>brain turns to spaghetti

fml

[Anonymous No.5233428]

>>5231501
> I guess I just like to see that the math is actually doing something useful as opposed to just hoping that someone else will figure out how to implement it so many years down the road.

What? What math classes did you take that didn't seem useful?

[Anonymous No.5233443]

>>5233428
number theory, adv. abstract algebra

[Anonymous No.5233445]

>>5233428
I did a graduate course on graph theory.

>PhD in graph theory
>0k starting

[Anonymous No.5233461]

>>5233443
Why are you taking those courses if you don't like math?

[Anonymous No.5233471]

>>5231714
I'm the opposite.

>1) What are the key properties that distinguish stainless steels from other steels?
I have to memorize this? Why can't I just look it up?

> 2) Calculate the bla bla bla
Oh, cool. So all I have to do is think.

[Anonymous No.5233489]

>>5233471
same, learning is hard, understanding is easy

[Anonymous No.5233502]

>>5233489
This. It's not even that easy to me most of the time, but when it's done, it's done. You don't usually forget things you have actually understood, whereas memorised facts are easy to forget.
Plus you can do more with understanding.

[Anonymous No.5233552]

>I guess I just like to see that the math is actually doing something useful as opposed to just hoping that someone else will figure out how to implement it so many years down the road.

Then math research and a lot of modern mathematics is not for you. Which is fine. It's just one field where we sometimes make up concepts a century before a physicist or chemist finds a use for them.

[Anonymous No.5233582]

>>5231429

Was the same way, until calc 1 I started saying "hey this is neat I can do this ... and that ..."
By the end of calc II I was fascinated by converging improper integrals and infinite sums. Cacl III was a little boring (physics major, I already knew how to vector and multi-variable).
Then I took diff eq thinking will be boring like calc III, but the theory and reasoning fascinated me even more.

Now I'm all sad because my math minor will not be enough to satisfy my newfound love of math.

tl;dr if you pursue science, enjoy your outlook while it lasts.

[Anonymous No.5233846]

>love math
>always comes naturally
>mfw my first physics class
>mfw all dem mathematical applications

[Anonymous No.5233856]

>>5231445
me too
I just suggest people garner a sense of confidence with math and treat it as a recreational puzzle and it becomes substantially less of a pain for them
for the most part that is

[Anonymous No.5233860]

by science you mean studying, analyzing, and reporting or looking at pictures of space?

[Anonymous No.5233928]

>>5233471
>>1) What are the key properties that distinguish stainless steels from other steels?
>I have to memorize this? Why can't I just look it up?
>> 2) Calculate the bla bla bla
>Oh, cool. So all I have to do is think.

I think that there's a distinction between analytical people and logical people. Obviously, everyone is analytical enough to distinguish between common concepts and to have fairly sophisticated mental models of various aspects of reality. Also, most people can follow chains of reasoning and even construct short chains on their own. That being said, some are better at analytical thought processes than logical thought processes, and vice versa.

I'm more of an analytical guy. When I look at the question, "What are the key properties that distinguish stainless steels from other steels?" I think, "If this were my field I would know this, because I would have built up mental models and interconnections in an attempt to make sense of things, and the answer to this question would just fall out of that." Where you see memorization, I see a progression from data to information to knowledge to understanding.

On the other hand, when I see "Calculate the blah blah blah" I see a chore that could be carried out by a properly programmed computer. If the situation is well-defined enough to put into a word problem, someone has already done the hard work of turning data into understanding, and by carrying out the right computations I'm just demonstrating a basic grasp of that person's understanding and hopefully coming a bit closer to it myself.

[Anonymous No.5233944]

>>5231429

Pretty much. I liked the math I did in classes, but the practical math I end up doing now (modelling, data processing, statistical analysis, and just day to day minor calculations) is just tedious shitwork. I imagine it's not so different either for any but the most math-centric research areas. Math is just a means to an end for most science and engineering, rather than something of interest in itself.