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>Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record -- for Most Amount of Ice Ever Recorded This Time of Year!

What a joke, I can't believe I ever was worried about this nonsense.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/19/antarctic-sea-ice-sets-another-record/

>> No.5075084

Well that's interesting.
Welp, guess the people who likened sceptics to holocaust deniers feel like right assholes now

>> No.5075093
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5075093

Their source is a blog post by a conspiracy nut who's gone through thousands of climate records looking for anything he can cherry pick out to show the trend he wants.

>> No.5075099

>>5075093
So you are saying they are NOT finding record ice right now? This is your stance?

>> No.5075100

>>5075093
Ah, i see. So now Forbes is not a credible source. What do you base this on?

>> No.5075105
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5075105

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120919191214.htm
Arctic Sea Ice Hits Smallest Extent in Satellite Era

but fuck it, what does NASA know? good job op.

>> No.5075112

>>5075100
It's not forbes you autistic nigger, forbes basically lets anyone have a sort of blog on their site where they can write their own shitty articles

>> No.5075115

>>5075105
>Arctic
>>5075093
>Antarctic

But whatever, I'm sure it's the same more or less. it's not like there is 20'000km distance between the two.

>> No.5075116

>>5075112

so your saying its forbes but its not forbes?

cant be both counseler?

>> No.5075118

>>5075105
Yes and meanwhile Antarctic ice is at a record high.

How do you explain this? i say it's because climate changes happen all the time. I say it's the natural state of Earth.

What are you trying to say?

>> No.5075120

ONE volcano spits out more carbon emissions in a minute than all the cars in the world.

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5075124

>>5075093
I'm saying he's cherry picking his data. It's a really simple trick to start with your conclusion then deliberately select a small dataset that shows the trend you want. For example anti-vaxers will pick a month of really low polio fatalities sometime before the vaccine was introduced and a month of very high sometime after, then go Ah Ha! See this proves the vaccine increased polio deaths.

He's picking measurements carried out by one university at a specific time and place because this supports his conclusion that the Earth isn't warming. The vast majority of other scientific measurements show effects consistent with warming but he's ignoring them because they don't support his conclusion. Go to the UIUC climate website where he got the data and see for yourself. (pic related)

>5075100
Forbes is a business news publication, so I don't know why you're expecting them to be producing quality science reporting. Regardless of where you read a story you've got to find the primary source of the story. In this case it's some random blog by a guy who thinks climate scientists are part of a massive conspiracy.

>> No.5075125

sage

go to x or b

but leave

>> No.5075126

>>5075120

But that's wrong, you retard.

>> No.5075127

>>5075124
But they are right in many ways. There IS more ice at the south pole than ever recorded at this time, and man made climate change IS a vast conspiracy.

>> No.5075130

>>5075125
This isn't your private playground, go fuck yourself with a rake.

>>5075126
it's an exaggeration. volcanos are larger pollutants however.

>> No.5075135

>>5075130
yes it is

>> No.5075137

go die in a fire

>> No.5075138

>>5075137
The voice of man made climate change experts, everyone.

Pretty lame.

>> No.5075140

>>5075130
>it's an exaggeration.

No, it was something you believed until you just looked it up, because you heard some other moron say it once and you don't question anything that supports what you already think.

That little "fact" can be traced back to Rush Limbaugh, actually, who simply makes up all the statistics he quotes. But they work their way out into the ether and then get passed around by unquestioning drones.

>> No.5075141

>>5075130
>Volcanos pollute more.
>[citation fucking needed]

Volcanoes don't pollute more than we do.
Here's my citation:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming.htm

>> No.5075145

99% of climate scientists agree global warming is happening and that humans are the cause. Now 1 guy with a bachelors in english who isnt even hired by forbes but a free contributor claims to know better.

pretty funny if you believe him you are an idiot.

>> No.5075149

>>5075138
what?
I had more conferences with the nobel prize winning IPCC Members than you basement dwelling own blog bumping wannabe scientist.
FUCK YOU

>> No.5075155

http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-intermediate.htm
>Globally from 1955 to 1995, oceans have been warming at 0.1°C per decade. In contrast, the Southern Ocean has been warming at 0.17°C per decade. Not only is the Southern Ocean warming, it is warming faster than the global trend.

>If the Southern Ocean is warming, why is Antarctic sea ice increasing? There are several contributing factors. One is the drop in ozone levels over Antarctica. The hole in the ozone layer above the South Pole has caused cooling in the stratosphere (Gillet 2003). This strengthens the cyclonic winds that circle the Antarctic continent (Thompson 2002). The wind pushes sea ice around, creating areas of open water known as polynyas. More polynyas lead to increased sea ice production (Turner 2009).

>Another contributor is changes in ocean circulation. The Southern Ocean consists of a layer of cold water near the surface and a layer of warmer water below. Water from the warmer layer rises up to the surface, melting sea ice. However, as air temperatures warm, the amount of rain and snowfall also increases. This freshens the surface waters, leading to a surface layer less dense than the saltier, warmer water below. The layers become more stratified and mix less. Less heat is transported upwards from the deeper, warmer layer. Hence less sea ice is melted (Zhang 2007).

OP, please kindly get this shit off /sci/ right goddamn now.

>> No.5075160

>>5075083
The IPCC put out a report on this. The antarctic isn't getting colder, that much is certain. The ice is spreading out and getting thinner because as it melts a lot in the winter there's more near-freezing fresh water spread around to freeze up again in the summer.

>> No.5075163

>>5075160

natural cycles.

nobody every heard of the ice age?

>> No.5075164

>>5075163
The article OP linked to isn't even taking the erroneous but slightly more sane position that humans aren't responsible for the warming. It's claiming the warming doesn't even exist.

>> No.5075165

>>5075093
>km^2
Nonsense. Ice needs to be measured in volume other wise massive losses can look like gains.

>> No.5075167

>>5075164

all theories are valid until disproven. this is a new and novel apporach that should be studied by peer review and not tabloid journalists like you.

>> No.5075174

>>5075165

good point. ice floats 90% under water, and lots of the climatologists gloss over this fact.

>> No.5075178

>>5075174

No they really don't.

>> No.5075183

>>5075178

yes, they do. iceberts and all ice float 90% underwater. deny it all you wont. it is a science fact.

>> No.5075185

>>5075183

I was talking about "climatologists gloss of this fact," you fucking idiot.

>> No.5075188

>>5075185

flaming is not aloud on /sci/. back up your argument with sound facts not inuendo

>> No.5075189

>>5075163
Don't even start with that fucking shit.
http://grist.org/climate-energy/current-global-warming-is-just-part-of-a-natural-cycle/

>> No.5075192

>>5075185
no they dont you tard, when they talk about rising sea levels they're talking about GLACIERS

>> No.5075194

>>5075192
> Doesn't know water expands with temperature.

>> No.5075195

>>5075192

THANK YOU.

>> No.5075200

>>5075194

water expands when it freezes due to molecular alignment phase

>> No.5075206

>>5075200
Nigger.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/water-thermal-properties-d_162.html

>> No.5075212

>>5075206

are you just being provocative or do you wont to discuss this like adults?

it is revealed in scripture that when the seven nations are defeated (judae and samaria, which is modern day iran and iraq), the seas shall rise.

the pastor told us it would happen.

>> No.5075216

>>5075212
Did you not read the data?
>density of water decreases with temperature increase.
>Specific volume increases with the same.

Nigger.

>> No.5075229

>>5075216

methinks you are being trolled.

un rassle ur jimmies and take a deep breath, bro.

>> No.5075242

>>5075229
Double Nlgger.

>> No.5075248

>>5075242

lol plz tell me u didnt smach ur keboard in range

>> No.5075253

>>5075248
Nah, my keyboard is out of range to smach with my plzt.

>> No.5075264

>>>/pol/5623002

goddamn niggerfaggot OP started this shit in /pol/

why mootles thought that place was worth a shit is beyond me

>> No.5075299

I see we have a categorical error here, not all ice is created equal. The gains and losses from sea ice are cyclical, gains and losses here are expected to happen. If you want a meaningful measure, you'll need to look at land ice, the ice that is not seasonal.

This is an elementary distinction.

>> No.5075310

>>5075299

how can they're be "land ice"? doesn't it all come from the ocean?