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>liberal arts degrees
>requiring STEM students to take classes in social sciences and humanities first semester
>2012

Why are colleges still doing this shit?

>> No.5072150

>>5072137

then need money to vote for obama and the liberal ideologes

>> No.5072155

To make well rounded humans and not autistic bean counters.

>> No.5072169

>>5072155

please keep your bigoted mexican jokes to your self, amigo

>> No.5072280

"Essay" subjects are needed to some extent to ensure that people can write well and form arguments. Of course I'm talking about stuff like history where you actually need to form an argument, not Feminist Studies 101 where you're just supposed to parrot bullshit Marxist propaganda.

>> No.5072299

>>5072280
Word.

Likewise, if you're familiar with history and English, particularly rhetoric, you'll be less susceptible to propaganda.

And good writing is a universal job skill. My professor for a proof based course combining linear algebra and calc 3 said he's more concerned about a students critical reading score on the SAT. If you've ever written a proof, you know how important being able to articulate yourself is.

>> No.5072323

Because only about 1/4 of any given science department's undergraduates will ever go on do actually do something related to their degree. The rest will go do something else entirely. If they're lucky it might be a somewhat technical job that requires higher math and analysis.

The point of an undergraduate education in the USA isn't just to provide specialized training in a specific field, it's also to foster broadly applicable analysis and writing skills across many disciplines. You might not ever use the shit you learned in gen-ed bio ever again, but once you learn how to write humanities papers you're set for any job you might ever want to take.

Now, the next question should be, is it appropriate to use college to teach these skills instead of teaching them more thoroughly in high school? But that's a completely separate issue; we're talking about what reality is now, not what it should be.

>> No.5073398

Where else are you gonna meet hot bitches?

>> No.5073399

Enjoy being a pleb your whole life.

>> No.5073438

Because American high schools apparently fail to provide an all-around education. That's just my guess.

>> No.5073475

The idea is that you'll be well rounded and be able to draw from a wide multitude of sources when you're working in your chosen career.

It's also worth noting that with the exception of nursing school, business school, and engineering, undergrad is not vocational school. The only way you're going to make a career out of your major in undergrad is if you continue on to graduate school, medical school, law school, dental school, pharmacy school, etc., or major in computer science.

>> No.5073502

>>5072280
>>5072299
>>5072323

This. Omg so this.

>> No.5073504

Do liberal arts majors at ivy league schools have to take calculus?

>> No.5073514

I avoided all humanities(aus) and first proof class was harder than it needed to be for me. I just read books now.

>> No.5073519

To expand your narrow horizons your aspergers fuck filled fuck.

Here's something you can tell people that will make you feel elitist again while you sleep through those classes; liberal arts was invented in the RENNISSAINCE. Leonardo Davinchi studied it. You want to be like Davinchi don't you???

You make me sick. Come talk some shit to me at the next Occupy, square.

>> No.5073524

To give your virgin ass a very slim possibility of sexing a real girl, not a 2D waifu.

>> No.5073540

>>5072137
They only do this in shit parts of the world and the US.

>> No.5073565

>>5073504
I didn't. Then again I got out of my Gen-Ed math requirement due to dicalculia.

>> No.5073567

>>5073565
*discalculia

>> No.5073573

>>5073567
*Dyscalculia

Fuck me in the ass.

>> No.5073577

>>5073519
>Come talk some shit to me at the next Occupy,

If subtle troll/satire then well done. This was very good. The part that you green text was the only part that gave me any hint that you weren't sincerely being an idiot.

>> No.5073585

>>5072323
>1/4
[citation needed]

>> No.5073588

They need to at least ATTEMPT to jam anti-white minority-worshipping WASP-hating race-mixing propaganda into you

>> No.5073599
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5073599

>>5073524
>be in gen ed class
>see a 3D waifu i like
>sit next to her the entire semester
>she's always glancing over at me
>I never make a move on her because i'm a shy as fuck
>final exam comes up
>she leans over to me and asks me to turn my paper so she can see my answers
>mfw it became clear why she would even glance at me

>> No.5073616

but taking GMUS 105: Africana Tribes and Music for 4 months doesn't make me a well rounded person.

>> No.5073636

Best way to improve the situation.... Require Cal 1 & 2 and Physics 1 & 2 (at least) (and probably chemistry too) for all liberal arts degrees, even stupid shit like feminist studies or whatever. See how those assholes like it.

>> No.5073668

not in the uk. i still have no idea how unis over in the use operate.

>> No.5073681

I feel they need to teach the more analytical skills to the liberal arts people. In fact, they need to teach more analytical skills to people, period.

>> No.5073686

>>5072280
>form an argument
>hasn't read Kropotkin's proof based 'Conquest of Bread'

>> No.5073706

>>5072155
Bean counters gonna count, though. Forcing them to take literature classes won't change that, they'll just hate you for making them do something they don't enjoy. College degrees should be job training; you know what you want to do when you sign up, you take those classes, get a certification, and get out. College shouldn't define you as a person or make you "well-rounded". Be well-rounded if you want to be, or not if you don't.

>> No.5073742

Anyone have good math study tips? I'm a liberal arts guy (Psychology) who has changed his career path and it currently taking some math. I'll only be doing up to calc 1, but I haven't done this stuff in 6 years so any help would be wonderful.

Also, I firmly agree that STEM should be prioritized in all education up to a certain level no matter what. An influx of STEM related undergrads will boost more than our nation's test scores, but our economy and general understanding of the world.

>> No.5073747

>>5073706
>College degrees should be job training

No, that's what community college is for. Real colleges want their degrees to mean something beyond that.

>> No.5073755

>>5072137
WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO DIVERSIFY YOUR THINKING? ARE YOU A GUN-TOTING RACIST?

>> No.5073754

>>5073742
Don't rely on rote learning.
Always make sure you understand something well enough to teach it to someone else before continuing on.
Don't underestimate the values of really easy looking fundamentals.
If you're having a lot of trouble understanding something, try another source for it. A lot of this knowledge has been around for hundreds/thousands of years and there have been many people who have tried many different ways to teach it.

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>>5072155
This, yes, omg this! If you can't handle having a broad background, you belong in a trade school down by the river

>> No.5073777

>>5073747
What "real colleges want themselves to mean" is useless and should be eliminated, in favor of a more trade-school-like approach.

>> No.5073778

When people stop leaving high school and college with terrible writing skills then you can say they don't need to take English courses anymore.

People have put so much emphasis on STEM that good writing skills have become a major desirable trait.

>> No.5073784

>>5073777

You're perfectly free to go to a trade school.

>> No.5073781

>>5073777
*want their degrees to mean
Whoops.

>> No.5073790

>>5073754
Thanks. I'm only doing basic precalculus know but since I've been out so long it's more difficult than I anticipated. I'm putting a lot of time in, maybe I should practice my fundamentals more.

>> No.5073802

Pretty sure they still make art / english majors take at least one class of math and science each. Even if it's algebra and a remedial physics or chem class.

>> No.5073804

>>5073802
I only had to take statistics, no sciences.

>> No.5073816

>>5073802

In my English degree I had to take at least the most basic college level math and science. I chose biology.

>> No.5073829

>>5073784
Trade school degrees aren't as valuable and you know it.

>> No.5073835

>>5073777
Nope. Even businesses don't want college to be "job training". At least in petroleum anyway. They tend to prefer people with a traditional academic background who can actually think, not some rote trained monkey.

*According to pretty much everyone I've talked to who actually works in the industry.

>> No.5073847

>>5072137
My college requires every student to take a diversity class.

>> No.5073853

>tfw renaissance man and have 4 or 5 fields of interest aside from my STEM degree that include humanities; social and natural sciences, and which I will also use as an employment credential to fund my continued learning.

Also, honestly, fuck humanities majors, the standards to get into these programs should be way fucking higher; higher than STEM majors even. The government and I don't pay $300 a lecture to hear you ask retarded questions, type pointless horseshit on your mac, and complain about your boyfriend while the lecturer is talking about the collapse of the Roman Empire.

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5073855

pick your poison, /sci/

you have to pick one

>> No.5073854

>>5073829
Tell that to a plumber

/Mine drives a very nice porsche

>> No.5073861

>>5073855
Psychology of Women

>> No.5073862

>>5073855
I never had to take any of that shit. No one does.

>> No.5073864

>>5073855

>deaf culture

>> No.5073863

>>5073855
History of the American working class?

Seems like the least unbearable.

>> No.5073874

>>5073855

I really hate saying it. I really do, but I just don't feel like I'd be comfortable, as a white man, being in any of those classes.

Though I am gay, but pretty masculine.

>> No.5073881

>>5073861
Easy credits, thanks to Fatalpulse.

>> No.5073883

>>5073855
deaf culture

>> No.5073894

>>5073855
>be amerindian
>be forced to take garbage classes on what white people perceive to be your culture

This is garbage and you know it. Quetzalcoatl is a lesser god, Huitzilopotchli would wipe the floor with him in both importance and power any day.